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tiredofliberals

Yadkinville, NC

#1 Jul 2, 2010
Congratulations to RCC. Ask most anyone in education just what SACS is, and they will tell you that it means extra, unnecessary work for faculty to prepare for those "esteemed" SACS visits. It means putting on a show so that the buildings looks special. All of the "special" teachers who know how to answer any questions that are asked so as to "look good." These certain teachers are chosen over and over again whenever anything calls for "the show." Certain classrooms are always chosen for the special visits. Teachers are given sets of questions ahead of the visits and told to "make sure you can answer these questions" because these are the things "they" will want to know. It means nothing except more valuable time is being taken away from teaching and actually doing the jobs teachers are supposed to do every day.

Ask anyone who has children in school, anyone who has attended school, himself or herself, or anyone involved in education what SACS is and what it does. They can tell you it "accreditates" schools and that it is easier to get into a college if your school is accreditated, but that is all most can tell you.

Congratulations Dr. Shackleford for putting your priorities in order and focusing on what is more important. You sound wise. Randolph CC should be proud to have you leading it.
tiredofliberals

Yadkinville, NC

#2 Jul 2, 2010
"Accreditates" is a made-up word I used for a bit of sarcasm. I should have typed "buildings look special", and I should have said, "All of the 'special' teachers who know how to answer any questions that are asked so as to 'look good' are hand-picked to perform for the visitors from SACS."
Gun Toter

Greensboro, NC

#3 Jul 2, 2010
Pretty bad when a "higher learning" facility is failing. Those are usually filled with students that want to be there.
honorable

Greensboro, NC

#4 Jul 2, 2010
shouldn't have a problem...with the lottery and all
Kevin

Charlotte, NC

#5 Jul 2, 2010
well unemployed citizens=working folk paying for them wrong choice doctor you deserve warning status
Robert High Point

Tupelo, MS

#6 Jul 2, 2010
SACS sounds all too familiar to what I've experienced in the last ten years of business. A dog and pony show.
cregis

Princeton, NC

#7 Jul 2, 2010
Do they ever fire administrators to cut the budgets? Look at how much School Superintendents and Community College Presidents make. Administrators exist to create more work for the teachers and the more work they want the teachers to do, the more they justify their jobs.
tiredofliberals

Yadkinville, NC

#8 Jul 2, 2010
Robert High Point wrote:
SACS sounds all too familiar to what I've experienced in the last ten years of business. A dog and pony show.
Right 100%. I'm glad someone else can see it.
tiredofliberals

Yadkinville, NC

#9 Jul 2, 2010
cregis wrote:
Do they ever fire administrators to cut the budgets? Look at how much School Superintendents and Community College Presidents make. Administrators exist to create more work for the teachers and the more work they want the teachers to do, the more they justify their jobs.
Agreed! Good points.

Since: Jun 10

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#10 Jul 2, 2010
"SACS" An Indian word for , We gonna git ya.
Allen

Asheboro, NC

#11 Jul 2, 2010
I commend Dr. Shackleford for trying to maintain the excellence that RCC stands for. It is one of the best community colleges in the state, if not the whole country. The SACS is looking at the school as a business instead of an educational institution.
A-Town Born and Bred

Thomasville, NC

#12 Jul 2, 2010
Gun Toter wrote:
Pretty bad when a "higher learning" facility is failing. Those are usually filled with students that want to be there.
Hey Gun Toter maybe you should invest some time in remedial reading and math. SACS issued the warning due to what it views as an "overloaded teaching staff". If you will read the article again you will realize that RCC was designated as a school of "Exceptional Performance". One of only 4 to receive this designation out of 58 community colleges in NC. As to the overloaded teaching staff, if you will engage your apparently limited reading, math, and logic skills you would realize that anytime enrollment goes up by 16% and while the budget to teach and serve those enrolled students goes down by 11% there is going to be a BIG problem.(Although since the SACS accreditation team is usually made up of teachers they will always think that teaching staff is overworked. I would rather be an overworked than unemployed.)

The problem lies in state government funding, not in community college management. By the way, Randolph County passed a $.25 sales tax increase to provide additionally funding to RCC.
Allen

Asheboro, NC

#13 Jul 2, 2010
A-Town Born and Bred wrote:
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Hey Gun Toter maybe you should invest some time in remedial reading and math. SACS issued the warning due to what it views as an "overloaded teaching staff". If you will read the article again you will realize that RCC was designated as a school of "Exceptional Performance". One of only 4 to receive this designation out of 58 community colleges in NC. As to the overloaded teaching staff, if you will engage your apparently limited reading, math, and logic skills you would realize that anytime enrollment goes up by 16% and while the budget to teach and serve those enrolled students goes down by 11% there is going to be a BIG problem.(Although since the SACS accreditation team is usually made up of teachers they will always think that teaching staff is overworked. I would rather be an overworked than unemployed.)
The problem lies in state government funding, not in community college management. By the way, Randolph County passed a $.25 sales tax increase to provide additionally funding to RCC.
You are correct in your post. Except the part about the sales tax increase. It is a $.0025 increase. I think if it was a quarter per dollar increase people would not buy anything in Randolph County for quite a while.
DrMaryJohnson

Dunn, NC

#14 Jul 4, 2010
Also "Asheboro born & bred" (long/sad story), I've been following this saga with great interest ... particularly because the Courier-Tribune is pulling out all the stops trying to spin this ugly down.

Like JCAHO, which accredits hospitals (much MORE of a self-perpetuating "dog & pony" act than I suspect SACS could ever be), I don't doubt that the community-college accreditation dance is a big pain-in-the-tuckus for everyone forced to dance.

Moreover, like just about everything else the state of North Carolina touches these days, financial support and true oversight is sadly lacking. Everybody is taking a beating.

But it takes a big screw-up and/or administrative communication/other failure to put an organization (particularly a reportedly well-performing organization) on probation/warning.

Something smells.

And it sure sounds like someone is spinning to cover-up a mistake. Indeed, the Courier rolled out all of Asheboro's big dawgs (Bob Morrison - don't get me started on over-paid/over-rated administrators, Maynard Reid, Donald Andrews etc.) to back Shackelford up and pat each other on the backs (that's what the Courier always does)- instead of delving into the WHY of this decision.

I think I want to know more before I pat Dr. Shackleford on the back. I think the public should demand more - and get it. WHY did this happen?

As for the local newspaper, I think the days of "yes-men" and "don't-ask-about-problems -don't-tell" in Asheboro needs to come to an end.
Git R Dun

Winston Salem, NC

#15 Aug 11, 2010
DrMaryJohnson wrote:
Also "Asheboro born & bred" (long/sad story), I've been following this saga with great interest ... particularly because the Courier-Tribune is pulling out all the stops trying to spin this ugly down.
Like JCAHO, which accredits hospitals (much MORE of a self-perpetuating "dog & pony" act than I suspect SACS could ever be), I don't doubt that the community-college accreditation dance is a big pain-in-the-tuckus for everyone forced to dance.
Moreover, like just about everything else the state of North Carolina touches these days, financial support and true oversight is sadly lacking. Everybody is taking a beating.
But it takes a big screw-up and/or administrative communication/other failure to put an organization (particularly a reportedly well-performing organization) on probation/warning.
Something smells.
And it sure sounds like someone is spinning to cover-up a mistake. Indeed, the Courier rolled out all of Asheboro's big dawgs (Bob Morrison - don't get me started on over-paid/over-rated administrators, Maynard Reid, Donald Andrews etc.) to back Shackelford up and pat each other on the backs (that's what the Courier always does)- instead of delving into the WHY of this decision.
I think I want to know more before I pat Dr. Shackleford on the back. I think the public should demand more - and get it. WHY did this happen?
As for the local newspaper, I think the days of "yes-men" and "don't-ask-about-problems -don't-tell" in Asheboro needs to come to an end.
I appreciate the Dr.'s clear pondering. Look carefully through the spin and ask the question why. Why did RCC get itself into such a mess? Never before in it's over half century history ... not even during the U.S. Dept. of Education financial audit crisis that ousted the former president and administration has it been so disgraced. It's a clever tactic to shift the blame to big bad SACS when the unwise faculty firings and budget allocations of a novice adminstration and rubberstamping board of trustees are more likely the cause. The spin has been swallowed, hook line and sinker, in the mutual admiration society of Randolph Co. Thankfully SACS once a decade check and balance brings some sense of accountabilty.
DrMaryJohnson

King, NC

#16 Aug 12, 2010
Rubber-stamping Boards (composed of interchangeable members of the "mutual admiration society") are all the rage in Asheboro/Randolph County.
Former RCC Employee

Robbins, NC

#17 Nov 2, 2010
I will forever be grateful to RCC and everything the college does for the community. Granted, teachers were "previously" working more hours than necessary, but this was to compensate for the increase in enrollment.

On more thing to note on the sales tax, if you spend $100 then you would be donating .01 or one penny to the college. This does not include food, gas or medicine.

Community colleges train workers for specific jobs. For example, if a company wanted to build or occupy a building in Asheboro, the community college is usually the first place they look to for training. RCC has trained many people for jobs in the metal working industry. Especially engineering, mechanical and industrial jobs at Energizer, Timken, and Kennametal. Thank you RCC for providing the training necessary for jobs in our community.
observer

Faison, NC

#18 Nov 2, 2010
i've worked for them & quit as they are an unorganized joke of a school.
DrMaryJohnson

King, NC

#19 Nov 3, 2010
I'm grateful to several of my old educational stomping grounds ... and employers ... too, but I still expect them to follow the rules (following simple rules - and enforcing them - seems to be a big problem in Randolph County). And if they don't, I don't want them getting even the one penny of the taxes I pay.

"Community colleges train workers for specific jobs."

Several local folks have opined to me that, in terms of job-training, the curriculum at RCC needs to be more practical and less "in the clouds".

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