Sweden, Finland OK Baltic Sea gas pipeline project

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Anti-Pipeliner wrote:

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pipeline
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274...

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Robespierre wrote:

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The best thing that can happen to Europe!!
When North Stream will be opened, it will be a food day for Europe.

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Virgin Island wrote:

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No, it won't! Because Europe would be much better off establishing alternative sources of supply, rather than increasing its dependence on Russian supply, thereby enabling Russia to tighten its grip over Europe. Russians are a vicious, brutal and barbaric people. W. Churchill, in propogating his idea of the United States of Europe (the prototype of the EU), claimed that "Europe should, at all times, have in place effective barriers against Russian barbarianism." Instead, Europe is opening itself up for Russian barbarians and increases its dependence on Russian supplies. How can one be so naive to trust the Russian proletarian barbarians, given their historic record?

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No, it won't! Because Europe would be much better off establishing alternative sources of supply, rather than increasing its dependence on Russian supply, thereby enabling Russia to tighten its grip over Europe. Russians are a vicious, brutal and barbaric people. W. Churchill, in propogating his idea of the United States of Europe (the prototype of the EU), claimed that "Europe should, at all times, have in place effective barriers against Russian barbarianism." Instead, Europe is opening itself up for Russian barbarians and increases its dependence on Russian supplies. How can one be so naive to trust the Russian proletarian barbarians, given their historic record?

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No, it won't! Because Europe would be much better off establishing alternative sources of supply, rather than increasing its dependence on Russian supply, thereby enabling Russia to tighten its grip over Europe. Russians are a vicious, brutal and barbaric people. W. Churchill, in propogating his idea of the United States of Europe (the prototype of the EU), claimed that "Europe should, at all times, have in place effective barriers against Russian barbarianism." Instead, Europe is opening itself up for Russian barbarians and increases its dependence on Russian supplies. How can one be so naive to trust the Russian proletarian barbarians, given their historic record?

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By the way, about Russian barbarians...
Don't you know the general meaning of the word "barbarian" - such a savage that destroyes science and culture.
Now read what russians have invented:
- airplane (Mojaisky A.F.),
- radio (PopovA.S.),
- TV set (Rosing B.L.),
- parachute (Kotelnikov),
- Atomic power station (1-st in Russia),
- laser (Basov and Prohorov),
- bodybuilding (Sandov),
- filament bulb (Lodygin),
- diving apparatus (Lodygin),
- electric welding (Benardos N.N.)
rusiians were the 1-st who launched an artificial Earth satellite; Sputnik, the 1-st human in space was a russan!
It's not just a complete list of russian inventions that "barbarians" did!
Now try to strike me with a great list that Hungary "non barbarians" invented!

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Virgin Island wrote:

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Do some research before you post. Some of the invesntions by "Hungarian barbarians", to mention a few, for your knowledge: ballpoint pen, carburator, dynamo, holography, Petzval lens, transformer, telephone exhange. Now, go yourself and check out the list of Hungarian Nobel Prize winners. Not to bad for a small nation under 10 million.
As to Russians, a number of inventions that you have mentioned were made prior to ruskie proletarians taking it over in Russia and exterminating most of the noble and intelligent Russians. The majority of educated and intelligent Russians were murdered by proletarian ruskie barbarians. Those who were not, fled to the West. The barbarian ruskies of today all derive their roots from the poor genofund of ruskie workers, serfs and peasants. It is therefore the West nowadays stands witness to ruskie behaviour, manners (or rather, lack thereof) and pretensions. The vast majority of this people know no morals, ethics and know no code of honor. The simplest manifestation of their ehtics and manners is spitting on the streets and emptying their noses right on the streets of Moscow and St Petersbourg. And as I said before, this is the people who have caused more than 35 million murders of their own in the course of 35 years ...

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Smarthound wrote:

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1st - read thoroughly: I've posted "Hungarian non barbarians". The list of inventions is really not bad.
As for the Russian revolution - it's now just the same part of history as a Russian communism and stalinism. There's no definite state position on it: someone consider it was good for Russia, others say it was bad... I consider it was a great tragedy and you are not the one to blame the nation that it happened so. In the same way you may blame french revolution, US' war for independence, other history occasions.
But it gives you NO RIGHT TO CALL US PROLETARIAN BARBARIANS WITH NO HONOUR!
Go blame Germany for Nazism, Britain and Spain for colonialism, USA for native american genocide. &#1042;&#1091; consistent!
No, you would only abuse Russia, because its cool and favoureable in your society...

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Virgin Island wrote:

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However, the fact REAMAINS you are descendants of serfs and preletarians who are responsible for millions of murders both inside and outside of Russia. You have gotten rid of or murdered most of the best individuals your nation was able to produce prior to your powergrab. You have murdered or destoyed lives of more people than were exterminated by Nazism, Colonialism and the French revolution combined. The few exceptional intellectuals who survive or are ocassionally produced by your generally barbarian society are finding it exceedingly difficult to cope with and prefer to emigrate.

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Smarthound wrote:

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We are also descendants of the so called White Army, that struggled bolshevism in Russia.
Your post has almost nothing common with reality.
Hungary was a nazi Germany ally, war against whom have costed 27 MILLION lifes only of Soviet citizens.
I guess that Nazism defeat is the reason why descendants of those nazi allies are still angry about Russia.
If you find your arguments very serious to cry about pipe-line building I may give you a following advice: USE FIREWOODS ONLY!
Gas and oil from Russia are non democratic!
Arabian gas and oil are also non democratic!
Burn your high cultured and democratic coal and be happy!
If you call our society barbarian I would call Hungary purposless and miserable world power's jackal.

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Matti wrote:

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Russians must as well take responsibility of Stalin's crimes, like dividing East Europe with Hitler (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and occupying and setting communist puppet regimes to East-Europe after the war.
Russians did beat nazi Germany but Russians did also behave almost like nazis during and after the war.

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Matti wrote:

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Russians must as well take responsibility of Stalin's crimes, like dividing East Europe with Hitler (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and occupying and setting communist puppet regimes to East-Europe after the war.
Russians did beat nazi Germany but Russians did also behave almost like nazis during and after the war.

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Smarthound wrote:

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We are also descendants of the so called White Army, that struggled bolshevism in Russia.
Your post has almost nothing common with reality.
Hungary was a nazi Germany ally, war against whom have costed 27 MILLION lifes only of Soviet citizens.
I guess that Nazism defeat is the reason why descendants of those nazi allies are still angry about Russia.
If you find your arguments very serious to cry about pipe-line building I may give you a following advice: USE FIREWOODS ONLY!
Gas and oil from Russia are non democratic!
Arabian gas and oil are also non democratic!
Burn your high cultured and democratic coal and be happy!
If you call our society barbarian I would call Hungary purposless and miserable world power's jackal.

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Virgin Island wrote:

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You have nothing in common with the White Army that fought bolshevism! You are descendants of bolshevik/NKVD/KGB murderers, criminals, proletarians, serfs, KGB informers and collaborators. The White Army officers and soldiers caught by bolshevists were murdered and executed, in most cases without hearing or court martial. Their wives and, in many cases children, were also murdered or ended their lives in the Gulags. Those White Army officers and soldiers who fled Russia ended their lives outside Russia. In most cases, they even refused to meet Russian officials or representatives in the West. They claimed they have no business with bolshevik serfs and criminals.
As to Hungary it has joined nazi Germany as an ally in WW2 after Soviet attack on Kosice, at the time, a Hungarian city. The Soviets have attacked Kosice after their invasion of eastern Poland and Bessarabia in north-eastern Romania. To declare alliance with Germany was a natural thing for Hungary to do in the circumstances. In the course of history, Russia has attacked Hungary on 3 different ocassions (not to count the Kosice attack). Russia frequently attacked neighbouring countries. This is why it often finds itself in the state of war, even today. A well known fact is that finding itself at war is a natural state for barbarian countries. The difference with Russia is that whenever it doesn't have an outside enemy for a prolonged period of time, it turns against own population.

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Virgin Island wrote:

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Do some research before you post. Some of the invesntions by "Hungarian barbarians", to mention a few, for your knowledge: ballpoint pen, carburator, dynamo, holography, Petzval lens, transformer, telephone exhange. Now, go yourself and check out the list of Hungarian Nobel Prize winners. Not to bad for a small nation under 10 million.
As to Russians, a number of inventions that you have mentioned were made prior to ruskie proletarians taking it over in Russia and exterminating most of the noble and intelligent Russians. The majority of educated and intelligent Russians were murdered by proletarian ruskie barbarians. Those who were not, fled to the West. The barbarian ruskies of today all derive their roots from the poor genofund of ruskie workers, serfs and peasants. It is therefore the West nowadays stands witness to ruskie behaviour, manners (or rather, lack thereof) and pretensions. The vast majority of this people know no morals, ethics and know no code of honor. The simplest manifestation of their ehtics and manners is spitting on the streets and emptying their noses right on the streets of Moscow and St Petersbourg. And as I said before, this is the people who have caused more than 35 million murders of their own in the course of 35 years ...

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Virgin Island wrote:

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You have nothing in common with the White Army that fought bolshevism! You are descendants of bolshevik/NKVD/KGB murderers, criminals, proletarians, serfs, KGB informers and collaborators. The White Army officers and soldiers caught by bolshevists were murdered and executed, in most cases without hearing or court martial. Their wives and, in many cases children, were also murdered or ended their lives in the Gulags. Those White Army officers and soldiers who fled Russia ended their lives outside Russia. In most cases, they even refused to meet Russian officials or representatives in the West. They claimed they have no business with bolshevik serfs and criminals.
As to Hungary it has joined nazi Germany as an ally in WW2 after Soviet attack on Kosice, at the time, a Hungarian city. The Soviets have attacked Kosice after their invasion of eastern Poland and Bessarabia in north-eastern Romania. To declare alliance with Germany was a natural thing for Hungary to do in the circumstances. In the course of history, Russia has attacked Hungary on 3 different ocassions (not to count the Kosice attack). Russia frequently attacked neighbouring countries. This is why it often finds itself in the state of war, even today. A well known fact is that finding itself at war is a natural state for barbarian countries. The difference with Russia is that whenever it doesn't have an outside enemy for a prolonged period of time, it turns against own population.

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Robespierre wrote:

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Why do you single out Russians for all this, when the Soviet Union was 15 republics, and many of them non-Russians?
From the leadership to the administration, from the army and the intelligentsia, every level was multi-national in the Soviet Union, and often non-Russian at all.
In fact, in the decision-making process during the life of the Soviet Union, quite often the Russians were in minority!!
What about the commissars, communist leaders, deputates, officers, ministers, officials and other decision-makers who came from Kazakhastan, Ukkraine, Belarus, Georgia (!!), Armenia, Azerbijan, etc....? Do you exonerate completely and only seek to placate Russians?