Is Sotomayor Anti-Gun?

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homepcmd wrote:

Here are the facts and cannot be argued.
The "average" person will NOT let you in his or her house with a "gun" unless they trust you....

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laojim wrote:

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"The 'average' person" is not an unarguable fact. The average person is posited as part of an argument unless, perhaps, you are in possession of a complete statistical abstract that tells me exactly what the average person thinks and believes, in which case you will also have to show exactly where this average person lives and what that has to do with what you want to argue next. The average person is probably a central Asian who speaks Chinese or Hindi and is a farmer and a socialist. It that who we are talking about or is there some other average person? Since nothing that follows can possibly have any validity if you do not clarify who this average person is then I think this is important.

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Highlander wrote:

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Otherwise, what's with the 'socialist' remark? Are you pushing that polity here?
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Do you believe in theft?
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laojim wrote:

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Do you want to know if I advocate it or if think that it exists?

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I am always amused by the the idea of the average person who always seems to agree with the person invoking this average guy.

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As for guns, in our state they are busy arguing about whether or not you can carry your concealed weapon onto school grounds when picking up your child and whether or not you should need a permit for that. Whoopie ty yi yay!

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laojim wrote:

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Do you want to know if I advocate it or if think that it exists?
I am always amused by the the idea of the average person who always seems to agree with the person invoking this average guy.
As for guns, in our state they are busy arguing about whether or not you can carry your concealed weapon onto school grounds when picking up your child and whether or not you should need a permit for that. Whoopie ty yi yay!

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Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>I worry more about abusive parents hidden behind their home walls then I worry about law abiding parents who pick up their children from school with a legal firearm.

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The fact also remains that the only person likely to be shot by the gun in any home is the wife.

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Some reasonable control of these things is entirely appropriate.

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laojim wrote:

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Fair enough, but in this state we have had no gun play at the schools by parents but we had an eight year old shot dead just the other day after finding uncle's rifle. The fact also remains that the only person likely to be shot by the gun in any home is the wife. Some reasonable control of these things is entirely appropriate.

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laojim wrote:

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Fair enough, but in this state we have had no gun play at the schools by parents but we had an eight year old shot dead just the other day after finding uncle's rifle. The fact also remains that the only person likely to be shot by the gun in any home is the wife. Some reasonable control of these things is entirely appropriate.

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Marauder wrote:

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"Wife Control"...now that might be something to consider...LOL
(Sarcasm ladies...please don't shoot!!!)

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He's in Alaska folks, you'll never find him hiding in all those woods.
As for the other two remarks, those arguments are irrelevant because they always presuppose the proposition that control is only exerted on those who wish to be controlled and that legislating against something is useless. By that thinking we would do away with all crimes just because only thieves steal and only forgers forge. I think most of us would like to see angry people brandishing guns disarmed and kept from obtaining new ones, we would like to stop people who publish death threats to have their weapons seized, we would like gun owners restrained in a lot of ways. This is useful. I know of one case where a guy who liked to brandish his pistol and make threats was converted to the gentility of a lamb by the mere threat that a conviction on felonious threatening would disarm him for life.
One need only look at the relative fire arm murder rates in places like the US and Canada to see the efficacy and desirability of gun control. Once their guns are locked up and registered they can yell all they like, as long as they don't wake me up---that's disturbing the peace.

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Marauder wrote:

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"Wife Control"...now that might be something to consider...LOL
(Sarcasm ladies...please don't shoot!!!)

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laojim wrote:

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Fair enough, but in this state we have had no gun play at the schools by parents but we had an eight year old shot dead just the other day after finding uncle's rifle. The fact also remains that the only person likely to be shot by the gun in any home is the wife. Some reasonable control of these things is entirely appropriate.

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Sheriff of Rock Ridge wrote:

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Ladies? Don't you mean laddies? Shoot, other than Plant Lady, how many women post in this forum?...

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laojim wrote:

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He's in Alaska folks, you'll never find him hiding in all those woods.
As for the other two remarks, those arguments are irrelevant because they always presuppose the proposition that control is only exerted on those who wish to be controlled and that legislating against something is useless. By that thinking we would do away with all crimes just because only thieves steal and only forgers forge. I think most of us would like to see angry people brandishing guns disarmed and kept from obtaining new ones, we would like to stop people who publish death threats to have their weapons seized, we would like gun owners restrained in a lot of ways. This is useful. I know of one case where a guy who liked to brandish his pistol and make threats was converted to the gentility of a lamb by the mere threat that a conviction on felonious threatening would disarm him for life.
One need only look at the relative fire arm murder rates in places like the US and Canada to see the efficacy and desirability of gun control. Once their guns are locked up and registered they can yell all they like, as long as they don't wake me up---that's disturbing the peace.