700 Clergy and Lay Leaders Call on NY Senate to Pass Marriage Bill

Poco A Poco...little by little...

God bless all of them!

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New International Version)

3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Think Again wrote:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New International Version)
3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Ironic that you should quote this, since I believe it applies precisely to you and the others who follow Paul instead of Christ.

Think Again wrote:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New International Version)
3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Yes, but enough about you.

Roxanne A wrote:

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Ironic that you should quote this, since I believe it applies precisely to you and the others who follow Paul instead of Christ.

Your statement above shows just how Scripturally illiterate you are.

Roxanne A wrote:

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Ironic that you should quote this, since I believe it applies precisely to you and the others who follow Paul instead of Christ.

You don't follow the description of marriage Jesus set forth in Matthew's Gospel.

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said,'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Think Again wrote:

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You don't follow the description of marriage Jesus set forth in Matthew's Gospel.
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said,'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Yeah, I'm celibate and have been for 14 years! LOL

Think Again wrote:

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Your statement above shows just how Scripturally illiterate you are.

Your statements on these forums show just how much you have turned away from the true teachings of Christ.

Think Again wrote:

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You don't follow the description of marriage Jesus set forth in Matthew's Gospel.
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said,'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Jesus was speaking about divorce in that passage. He was NOT speaking about who could get married and what their genders had to be.

ALL of the elements of a traditional Jewish wedding are present in the passages describing the relationship between David and Jonathan. They exchanged gifts, and vows, and had sex. Any one of those elements all by itself is sufficient to constitute a marriage, if performed with the intent to create a marriage, and they had all three.

Think Again wrote:

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You don't follow the description of marriage Jesus set forth in Matthew's Gospel.
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said,'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

And another couple's marriage (or civil union) is none of your business now, is it?

Think Again wrote:

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You don't follow the description of marriage Jesus set forth in Matthew's Gospel.
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said,'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

"The Rev. Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, challenged those who argued that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.

"When Jesus insisted on monogamous marriage, he predicated it on a passage in Genesis which says that "from the beginning God made them male and female ... In other words, the fact that God had designed two, and only two, sexes for complementary sexual pairing was Jesus' basis for monogamy," the Rev. Gagnon said."

AquariusNSF wrote:

ALL of the elements of a traditional Jewish wedding are present in the passages describing the relationship between David and Jonathan. They exchanged gifts, and vows, and had sex. Any one of those elements all by itself is sufficient to constitute a marriage, if performed with the intent to create a marriage, and they had all three.

When Jonathan gave David his sword and other royal items of authority, what did David give him in return?

Sex? The Hebrew "yada" does not appear anywhere in this passage.

Roxanne A wrote:

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Your statements on these forums show just how much you have turned away from the true teachings of Christ.

On the contrary, I don't try to redefine sin. The first words Jesus preached was REPENT!

Roxanne A wrote:

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And another couple's marriage (or civil union) is none of your business now, is it?

You claim to follow Jesus, so follow all of His messages.

AquariusNSF wrote:

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Jesus was speaking about divorce in that passage. He was NOT speaking about who could get married and what their genders had to be.

You have to be able to get married before you can get a divorce. Perhaps you should read further in the passage. Verses 11 & 12 pertain to those who cannot get married.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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"The Rev. Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, challenged those who argued that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
"When Jesus insisted on monogamous marriage, he predicated it on a passage in Genesis which says that "from the beginning God made them male and female ... In other words, the fact that God had designed two, and only two, sexes for complementary sexual pairing was Jesus' basis for monogamy," the Rev. Gagnon said."

As I've pointed out to you before, there are more than two sexes. There are those who are created intersex, having either ambiguous genitalia, genitalia of both sexes, or primary sexual traits of one gender and secondary sexual traits of another. There are people created by God who are XXY, XXXY, XO, and other permutations of X and Y. There are people created with some of the tissue in their bodies having XY chromosomes and other tissues in the same body having XX or XO chromosomes. The Reverend Gagnon appears to be just as ignorant of human genetics as you and the human authors of the Old Testament.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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When Jonathan gave David his sword and other royal items of authority, what did David give him in return?
Sex? The Hebrew "yada" does not appear anywhere in this passage.

In I Samuel 20:41, the Hebrew word for exceeded is discussed below.

The Hebrew word is "higdil," which is the causative conjugation of the root gadal, meaning that David was caused to become big, in other words, he got a hard on from his passion for Jonathan.

Jonathan gave David a gift of monetary value. David gave himself in return. That is what I meant by "exchanged gifts."