Senators push for immigration raid guidelines

With federal authorities stepping up immigration enforcement raids across the country, Sens. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Menendez of New Jersey are sponsoring a bill to protect the rights of U.S. citizens and legal residents who get caught up in them.

The Protect Citizens and Residents from Unlawful Raids and Detention Act was introduced on Sept. 25 to push for more stringent legal procedures to be followed by authorities executing immigration-related searches and warrants.

Immigration officials have conducted a series of high-profile workplace raids across the country in recent months, including one earlier this week at a poultry processing plant in Greenville, S.C.

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[Karen]

Protect "citizens and residents" is where the bill takes a nose-dive. The word "residents" is meant to include illegal alien invaders. How about Menendez instead telling the illegal alien invaders to go home? No way, no how will this bill pass!

Citizens wouldn't be effected if the employers weren't hiring illegals.

[Biker Mom]

Should Kennedy even be trusted will bills anymore?

All they should need is a warrant to enter the premises same as checking out anything else.

If you are there and cannot prove you are legally here, then you should be detained and given a couple business days to prove who you are and that you are legal.

If we were at a party and half the folks were doing drugs, should the police come, betcha we would at least be held and checked out if not even brought "downtown."

If you are legal then charges are dropped and there is no case against you. The only harm is that you were in the wrong place at the wrong time - it can happen to anyone anywhere if there are illegal activities going on.

[illegal is illegal]

Karen wrote:

Protect "citizens and residents" is where the bill takes a nose-dive. The word "residents" is meant to include illegal alien invaders. How about Menendez instead telling the illegal alien invaders to go home? No way, no how will this bill pass!
Citizens wouldn't be effected if the employers weren't hiring illegals.

Those are excuses. Menendez went to Washington to represent the illegal, to push for the amnesty, and in the mean time he has been pushing for more working visas, to bring more people here, when thousands of Americans cannot find work.

[Karen]

illegal is illegal wrote:

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Those are excuses. Menendez went to Washington to represent the illegal, to push for the amnesty, and in the mean time he has been pushing for more working visas, to bring more people here, when thousands of Americans cannot find work.

Oh believe me I understand all about Mendendez and Gutierrez. Kennedy I understand where his votes and ideas are too.......

[Summermoondancer]

Karen wrote:

Protect "citizens and residents" is where the bill takes a nose-dive. The word "residents" is meant to include illegal alien invaders. How about Menendez instead telling the illegal alien invaders to go home? No way, no how will this bill pass!
Citizens wouldn't be effected if the employers weren't hiring illegals.

It is not about illegal immigrants have you bothered to read the bill? it is about US citizens and LEGAL US residents. It is about their homes being broken into with no warrant and the illegal detention of US citizens and legal US residents...see Mancha vs ICE if you don´t think it is happening. It is more than just workplace raids and US citizens have constitutional rights even if they are brown.

[FYI]

Summermoondancer wrote:

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It is not about illegal immigrants have you bothered to read the bill? it is about US citizens and LEGAL US residents. It is about their homes being broken into with no warrant and the illegal detention of US citizens and legal US residents...see Mancha vs ICE if you don´t think it is happening. It is more than just workplace raids and US citizens have constitutional rights even if they are brown.

You were starting to make sense, for once, but you lost me when you added your (usual) biased/racist, "even if they are brown.", comment.

Your agenda is showing....

[Karen]

Summermoondancer wrote:

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It is not about illegal immigrants have you bothered to read the bill? it is about US citizens and LEGAL US residents. It is about their homes being broken into with no warrant and the illegal detention of US citizens and legal US residents...see Mancha vs ICE if you don´t think it is happening. It is more than just workplace raids and US citizens have constitutional rights even if they are brown.

When I need one of your mind-less rants I'll ask. I know all about your Mancha vs ICE. All you do is try to be someone you're NOT and you're far from any expert.

[Cheyenne Z]

Oh shoot, I thought the headline read that there was a raid and the Senators were pushing Immigrants into lines.

When I saw "Sens Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Menendez", I thought maybe old Chappaquiddick-killer Kennedy got drunk and pushed raza-boy Menendez into a line of Immigrants.

When I read the story I had to wonder, what contribution old Teddy boy could possibly have to this bill. Isn't he like at deaths door?
Me thinks this is a raza-boy bill and they attached "Kennedy" to it without his actual input, to sort of give it some, uh, sort of authority?

We all know Menendez is a raving reconquesta, I guess they had to have some old white guys name on it, so it doesn't look so much like it wasn't written by, you know, the NCLR, or LULAC?

[Biker Mom]

Summermoondancer wrote:

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It is not about illegal immigrants have you bothered to read the bill? it is about US citizens and LEGAL US residents. It is about their homes being broken into with no warrant and the illegal detention of US citizens and legal US residents...see Mancha vs ICE if you don´t think it is happening. It is more than just workplace raids and US citizens have constitutional rights even if they are brown.

OK...

You are at a party and not doing anything illegal but most of the other partygoers are. The police are called. Everyone is taken downtown, checked out and those who are clean and clear are released. When dealing with large scale operations it is too difficult to weed out the good from the illegal while rounding up. Also everyone may not have their IDs. Have you ever left the house and forgotten your wallet? I have...

But think apart from the single person being taken in and inconvenienced because he does not have ID and into the logistics of bringing in 50 or 100 or 300 and having to check ID on all of them at the facility to weed out a handful who may be legal. It would be a logistical nightmare. You cannot go to the management prior to a raid because what will happen? No one will be there on raid day.

It is easier to pick up everyone, process them and release those who are legal and have done nothing wrong from a central location.

If we are to scream rights violations when we are dealing with people who are legal, not doing anything wrong being picked up because they are in the company of those who are doing things that are wrong, then every time a party is raided, a frat house is raided, concertgoers are picked up for rowdy behavior, you name it, there will be lawsuits. Sadly there will always e some form of guilt by association when you are dealing with larger scale busts.

[Biker Mom]

PS - no raid should be unlawful. There is this neat thing called a warrant. If there is a warrant granted then any raid or search should not be deemed illegal. If there is no warrant then that is an issue. This stuff is already covered by laws.

http://or.fd.org/Search%20and%20Seizure%20Sep...

http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/i-arrest.pdf

http://wsll.state.wi.us/topic/justice/crimlaw...

Every state has some form of search and siezure laws and this should fall under them.

Do we need more laws?

No... We just need the ones we have enforced before we come up with new ones.

[FYI]

Biker Mom wrote:

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OK...
You are at a party and not doing anything illegal but most of the other partygoers are. The police are called. Everyone is taken downtown, checked out and those who are clean and clear are released. When dealing with large scale operations it is too difficult to weed out the good from the illegal while rounding up. Also everyone may not have their IDs. Have you ever left the house and forgotten your wallet? I have...
But think apart from the single person being taken in and inconvenienced because he does not have ID and into the logistics of bringing in 50 or 100 or 300 and having to check ID on all of them at the facility to weed out a handful who may be legal. It would be a logistical nightmare. You cannot go to the management prior to a raid because what will happen? No one will be there on raid day.
It is easier to pick up everyone, process them and release those who are legal and have done nothing wrong from a central location.
If we are to scream rights violations when we are dealing with people who are legal, not doing anything wrong being picked up because they are in the company of those who are doing things that are wrong, then every time a party is raided, a frat house is raided, concertgoers are picked up for rowdy behavior, you name it, there will be lawsuits. Sadly there will always e some form of guilt by association when you are dealing with larger scale busts.

Good point, but she'll never get it. Summermoonie is only concerned with furthering the cause of "brown" people at whatever cost. She said so herself.

[Tough Love]

My only problem with it all is where will these two boneheads be when shit breaks out here in town? Why not stop wasting money of bills for this and that, and BS here and there. Just print out one log sheet of all illegal immigrants in the country and give them $30,000 each to deport themselves. Trust me in all of their native ("BROWN" "LATINO" "SPANISH-SPEAKING" "TEN-CHILD MARIAs" & THE CATHOLIC CHURCH) latin countires (all 20+) can all live comfy cozy for aaaaaaaaaaa looooonnggggg time in all their beautiful NATIVE BROWN LANDS!!!!

(sorry, will take my meds now, wink*wink*)

[Karen]

Biker Mom.......just to make you aware the mooner threatens to sue a poster nightly! Mooner I believe is a LaRaza paid poster!

[Kristie]

Summermoondancer wrote:

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It is not about illegal immigrants have you bothered to read the bill? it is about US citizens and LEGAL US residents. It is about their homes being broken into with no warrant and the illegal detention of US citizens and legal US residents...see Mancha vs ICE if you don´t think it is happening. It is more than just workplace raids and US citizens have constitutional rights even if they are brown.

When you are after people that break the law and law enforcement has the right to break into their business or house, I guess you then should have the right to hold and question everyone by association. I am sick and tired of these so called leaders trying to find every way they can to protect the illegals.

[Biker Mom]

FYI wrote:

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Good point, but she'll never get it. Summermoonie is only concerned with furthering the cause of "brown" people at whatever cost. She said so herself.

Yeah...

I personally want to further the cause of the LEGAL US citizen regardless of skin color.

And in order to do that, we have to weed out the illegals - regardless of skin color.

[FYI]

Biker Mom wrote:

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Yeah...
I personally want to further the cause of the LEGAL US citizen regardless of skin color.
And in order to do that, we have to weed out the illegals - regardless of skin color.

I know. I feel the same. There are many here who have a clear agenda, such as Moonie. They have a racist view and wish to promote their "own kind" while calling us racist. lol

Does someone by the ridiculous name, WhiteAmerican, come to mind...

;-)

[Summermoondancer]

Biker Mom wrote:

PS - no raid should be unlawful. There is this neat thing called a warrant. If there is a warrant granted then any raid or search should not be deemed illegal. If there is no warrant then that is an issue. This stuff is already covered by laws.
http://or.fd.org/Search%20and%20Seizure%20Sep...
http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/i-arrest.pdf
http://wsll.state.wi.us/topic/justice/crimlaw...
Every state has some form of search and siezure laws and this should fall under them.
Do we need more laws?
No... We just need the ones we have enforced before we come up with new ones.

In Mencha vs ICE the immigrations and customs enforcement informed the public quite bluntly that they don´t need a warrant to bust your door down or raid your business. So it is a bit different than a police raid with a warrant...after all the police when they raid a drug house make sure that they have a warrant...however, sometimes they don´t...remember the old lady the Atlanta Narcotics Officers shot in Atlanta? They admitted later that they planted drugs that didn´t exist in her home, but only after they were pretty much caught red handed.

[Summermoondancer]

Kristie wrote:

<quoted text>When you are after people that break the law and law enforcement has the right to break into their business or house, I guess you then should have the right to hold and question everyone by association. I am sick and tired of these so called leaders trying to find every way they can to protect the illegals.

Kristie, please point out to me how the fifteen year old US citizen and her mom were breaking the law when she was getting ready for school in the privacy of her home...they didn´t have a warrant when they busted down the door..and she wasn´t an illegal immigrant nor was anyone in her house.