Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum on same-sex marriage issue

[RnL_4EVR_MARRIED]

writewingproxycontin wrote:

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Hey Travis A, here's your cue to defend this Uncle Thomas Clarence again.
Make it a good defense this time. Lots of luck.

You are entitle to your opinion......but must you be so mean towards Travis and medic.

Sorry that medic has a different viewpoint from yours and in your eyes that makes him an "Uncle Thomas Clarence"......but you are wrong and I hope that we don't lose his support because of your intolerance.

[Travis A]

medic0506 wrote:

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"Equality" depends on public opinion...the right to marry could change tomorrow, and it could be legal for you to marry...but you'll still be fighting for acceptance...without acceptance there isn't true equality

the acceptance will come in due course we have to change the laws first though...

[medic0506]

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>And withholding information on the prevention of AIDS contributed more to insuring dependence on that food as the older people died off leaving children who couldn't fend for themselves while leaving the younger ones with the feel of an "obligation" to those that "saved them". Even more nefariousness.

Like I said, I'm not catholic and don't know their teachings but if the people don't eat they're going to die whether they have AIDS or not...and just because the church is trying to assist with feeding and clothing them, does that mean that the job of reproductive education falls on the church's shoulders, as well?

[Pagan and Proud]

medic0506 wrote:

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"Equality" depends on public opinion...the right to marry could change tomorrow, and it could be legal for you to marry...but you'll still be fighting for acceptance...without acceptance there isn't true equality

I don't need 'acceptance' when the law is on my side.

[Pagan and Proud]

medic0506 wrote:

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Like I said, I'm not catholic and don't know their teachings but if the people don't eat they're going to die whether they have AIDS or not...and just because the church is trying to assist with feeding and clothing them, does that mean that the job of reproductive education falls on the church's shoulders, as well?

They are doing more than just feeding and clothing, they have also taken up attempting to provide medical needs as well and YES it WOULD fall to them to provide complete and accurate information to them as well. Human beings provide more than just food and shelter to their PETS, on what planet do you live that one would offer help yet hold back on one of the most vital things necessary for their long term survival?

[Travis A]

medic0506 wrote:

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Like I said, I'm not catholic and don't know their teachings but if the people don't eat they're going to die whether they have AIDS or not...and just because the church is trying to assist with feeding and clothing them, does that mean that the job of reproductive education falls on the church's shoulders, as well?

no but they shouldn't be blocking it ether which they have been for over a decade in new york...

[medic0506]

init wrote:

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No, he's not. You're a weasel. You play "nice" with Travis and think that'll gain you cred as "tolerant", when in fact, you're an ignorant boor who needs buds because you're divorced and don't have a girlfriend.

I play nice because he has enough decency to realize that just like he has an opinion, others do as well...FYI, I don't need "cred"...If I make a bud that's great, if I don't that's fine too...My opinion is what it is and I'm not afraid to defend it...I'm also not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, and change my stance on an issue when presented with persuasive information.
Not that it's any of your business, but you're right, I am divorced and I don't have a girlfriend...my current wife, of almost ten years, frowns on that kind of thing.

[Travis A]

medic0506 wrote:

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I don't have a girlfriend...my current wife, of almost ten years, frowns on that kind of thing.

LMAO nice

[medic0506]

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>One's "religious freedom" does not trump another's Civil Rights. As far as the "still learning" issue goes, it has often been said it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. This isn't an issue with which one can say that they agree same-sex couples should be allowed to marry but turn and kowtow because someone with the term "religion" backing their name tries to blackmail others to back down.

I don't kowtow to any religion, it's the right to that religious belief that I defend. Many people on this thread have a dual agenda. It's not enough for one to change their stance and say "OK I've seen enough proof, I now believe that gays should be allowed to marry."...I guess I didn't read the fine print, the part that says..."To complete the deal, the party changing mind must also agree to abandon all beliefs in God or religion, and sever ties with any church or organization that pro-gay fundamentalists deem inappropriate, or harmful to the cause of eliminating all organized religion from earth, except their own. Failure to do so will result in said party still being considered a BIGOT, in spite of his decision to support the cause of gay marriage."

Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

[medic0506]

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>They are doing more than just feeding and clothing, they have also taken up attempting to provide medical needs as well and YES it WOULD fall to them to provide complete and accurate information to them as well. Human beings provide more than just food and shelter to their PETS, on what planet do you live that one would offer help yet hold back on one of the most vital things necessary for their long term survival?

Perhaps the Christian groups could help the people with the everyday necessities, food, clothing, etc...and the pagan and atheist groups could step in and take responsibility for reproductive education, and provide contraceptives for everyone.

[medic0506]

RnL_4EVR_MARRIED wrote:

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You are entitle to your opinion......but must you be so mean towards Travis and medic.
Sorry that medic has a different viewpoint from yours and in your eyes that makes him an "Uncle Thomas Clarence"......but you are wrong and I hope that we don't lose his support because of your intolerance.

Those who have my support KNOW that they have my support,I hope they do anyway, and that support is rock solid.

[RnL_4EVR_MARRIED]

medic0506 wrote:

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Those who have my support KNOW that they have my support,I hope they do anyway, and that support is rock solid.

We do and we also have your back and I hope you know that:)

[Travis A]

medic0506 wrote:

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Those who have my support KNOW that they have my support,I hope they do anyway, and that support is rock solid.

awww how sweet lol;)

[nhjeff]

medic0506 wrote:

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Like I said, I'm not catholic and don't know their teachings but if the people don't eat they're going to die whether they have AIDS or not...and just because the church is trying to assist with feeding and clothing them, does that mean that the job of reproductive education falls on the church's shoulders, as well?

Alas, the church has taken it upon itself to spread disinformation about sex. Instead of letting others provide complete and useful information about sex and reproduction, the church encourages silence. It even proclaims that condoms contribute to the spread of AIDS and are ineffectual.

If they're going to take it upon themselves to spread information, let them not bear false witness.

[medic0506]

init wrote:

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medic only became your friend because he needs you. He is opposed to abortion rights and I don't believe for a minute that he's ever really changed his mind about gay marriage. Your opinions about what I can "relate" to are up to you. I'll judge medic according to what I've seen of him here and in other threads.

If I did need a friend-in-a-box, why on earth would I come on here and argue such unpopular points? You sound like you know alot about these kinds of insecurities, would you like to be my friend, too? It would give you someone to talk to about them? Yes, I do oppose abortion rights...I also oppose the death penalty, blanket amnesty for illegals, big government, wealth redistribution, and having to wait longer for a big mac WITHOUT cheese. I'm pretty sure you have an opinion on those things too, so I'm not sure what that has to do with it unless you're telling her that she shouldn't be friends with me because my agenda differs from yours.

[The Bird]

I beleive same sex partners are morally right. But, I don't agree with the Catholic Church giving ultimatums on an issue they clearly violate themselves. All they seem to have done now is put the country on alert for the next catholic child molester.

[medic0506]

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>They are doing more than just feeding and clothing, they have also taken up attempting to provide medical needs as well and YES it WOULD fall to them to provide complete and accurate information to them as well. Human beings provide more than just food and shelter to their PETS, on what planet do you live that one would offer help yet hold back on one of the most vital things necessary for their long term survival?

"They are doing more than just feeding and clothing, they have also taken up attempting to provide medical needs as well..."

That first part of your own statement SHOULD tell you that, at least they're doing something to help...I don't hear much about pagan or atheist groups and their charitable endeavors.

[medic0506]

BEE33 wrote:

<quoted text>I don't need to, I've been following the news about all the contributions to political campaigns to deny equality to gays and the way they've been lobbying to deny women insurance for full reproductive care. If the Pope stopped wearing all that silk, gold and custom shoes and cut back on the palaces, there'd be a lot more money to care for the poor. They belie their phoniness-their main reason for being has nothing to do with helping humanity, it's all about glory and power for the RCC.

"lobbying to deny women insurance for full reproductive care"

lol...you make it sound so clean and antiseptic. Why, when trying to make a point, can't you actually say what you mean?

"The bad church is lobbying to deny women the right to use taxpayer money to help them kill their babies"

[nhjeff]

medic0506 wrote:

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"They are doing more than just feeding and clothing, they have also taken up attempting to provide medical needs as well..."
That first part of your own statement SHOULD tell you that, at least they're doing something to help...I don't hear much about pagan or atheist groups and their charitable endeavors.

Plenty of charitable organizations have no religious affiliation--I would guess most of them. But I doubt they would identify themselves as "atheist charities." For the most part, atheists are perfectly willing to associate with religious people. They would not want to drive them away from the underlying cause.

[medic0506]

Curteese wrote:

<quoted text>When you go to church, do you sleep through it all? Every time I have been into a church the priests walk around and their assistants walk behind them like a bridesmaid, and hold the "skirt" up so the good priest doesn't end up falling onto his knees..(ahem, not that a priest would EVER end up on his knees for anything but praying)...and when they lift the skirts, you can see the priest's frilly underslip. If that doesn't just SCREAM masculine, I don't know what does.

You knock their sense of fashion, yet what happens when the popular vote doesn't go your way?...You head for the guys that wear black dresses...I guess for you it's a color thing