Maine Marriage Equality Foes Say They Have the Needed Signatures to Overturn Same-Sex Marriage Law

[Joe in Novato]

Daniel P from Long Island wrote:

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in the long run we're all dead....
I've got one foot in the grave already cuz i'm old. I'd like to see this b4 I die. I'm almost 40 !:(

LOL - "almost 40" !! Equality will be the law of the land before you're 45 - still plenty of good years left to celebrate your life and enjoy your upcoming equal rights!

[sue]

Interesting but I am a male lawyer and sue is for sue as in lawsuit.

Disgusted American wrote:

<quoted text>Hey Sue you dumb biatch .....how about WE get a referendum to TAKE AWAY your right to vote? Typical stud a-hole woman...has a ZEERO clue as to what women went thru to OBtain the RIGHt to Vote......who fought against women getting that Right Sue...? MEN,and Religion Sue.....thats who! According to religion - you women aren't Equal to men...and should have NO say in Gov't affairs,or property decisions......people like you Sue...make me sick. Read your history you DUMB BROAD...look up the name ALICE PAUL and educate yourself you C-word!

[sue]

Joe in Novato wrote:

Petitions need to circulated to REVOKE THE PORTLAND DIOCESE of their tax exempt status. NO CHURCH has any right to influence politics.
The Morons, oops, Mormons, are/were being investigated by the State of California for their part in Prop H8...not sure if the investigation has concluded yet or is still ongoing.
REVOKE THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS of **any** religious group who engages in politics.

That will never happpen. Its not only Christians against gay marriage. Everyone who voted on Prop 8 in CA were not christians.

[tomas]

Even if they manage to pass this hate message of theirs, what will they have accomplished: a catholic dictatorship of the state? They may end up regretting that. They can try and get rid of normal gays who want to lead normal lives, but they still have not gotten rid of the egregious pedo-problems of the catholic church. Guess that is their priority?

[SSracing]

Condemn? Condemn their children to what?....the heterosexual lifestyle? lol...How bout that double standard homosexuals have...condemn everyone else, yet don't want to be condemned, themselves.

Are you going to raise them to condemn God? Will you strip that child of their desire to know Him, just because YOU, yourself reject Him? Or will you be mature enough, and sensible enough to not impress what YOU believe onto a child...allowing them their OWN CHOICES?....just as you want and expect for yourselves.

Will you raise them to continue to hate Heterosexuals?...or hate even the child him/herself if he/she chooses to remain heterosexual?

Will you condemn them if they reject living what they will be learning in a homosexual environment?

Will you be honest enough to explain what the medical/emotional repercussions of homosexual sex are, to a child?

Are you willing to subject someone else's child to ridicule from other children who have a natural understanding of who their parents should consist of? We all know that children can be cruel. And without any help from anyone. Or will you constantly use your hatred toward heterosexuals, opposers, etc..as a justification for your actions?

We all know that there are plenty of heterosexual parents who need not have children, this is true....but is not the issue, or point.

[SSracing]

Joe in Novato wrote:

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LOL - "almost 40" !! Equality will be the law of the land before you're 45 - still plenty of good years left to celebrate your life and enjoy your upcoming equal rights!

That, is doubtful. The worst offenders of breaking such a law, are the ones who MAKE them.

[Rose T-H]

SSracing wrote:

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Are you going to raise them to condemn God? Will you strip that child of their desire to know Him, just because YOU, yourself reject Him? Or will you be mature enough, and sensible enough to not impress what YOU believe onto a child...allowing them their OWN CHOICES?....just as you want and expect for yourselves.

Why would we raise them to condemn G-D? Just because we are Gay or Lesbian does not mean that we are G-DLESS. We have our religious beliefs just like opposite-sex couples and WE WOULD NO MORE IMPOSE OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ON OUR CHILDREN THAN YOU DO.
Being a good parent is providing a stable environment for your child and then allowing them to BE WHO THEY ARE GOING TO BE………seems this works in FAMILES regardless of the gender make-up of the parents.

SSracing wrote:

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Will you raise them to continue to hate Heterosexuals?...or hate even the child him/herself if he/she chooses to remain heterosexual?

You ARE SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL……..We don’t hate HETEROSEXUALITY.
Besides…….Gay Parents DON’T RAISE GAY CHILDREN.

SSracing wrote:

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Will you condemn them if they reject living what they will be learning in a homosexual environment?

Again……a bit delusional. Gay and Lesbian parents are not teaching their children to be HOMOSEXUAL………They teach their children tolerance for others, and respect for themselves.

SSracing wrote:

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Will you be honest enough to explain what the medical/emotional repercussions of homosexual sex are, to a child?

EXACTLY what are the MEDICAL/EMOTIONAL repercussions of homosexual sex?

[Joe in Novato]

sue wrote:

<quoted text>That will never happpen. Its not only Christians against gay marriage. Everyone who voted on Prop 8 in CA were not christians.

and "sue as in lawsuit" not everyone in California who voted NO was gay! LOL...48% of the vote was NO. What is the gay percentage of the population - 5%?

That is a HUGE number of heterosexual supporters who voted NO to H8. The country is maturing a as a people realizing that discrimination is not acceptable. You are on the losing side of history, pally.

[Joe in Novato]

sue wrote:

<quoted text>That will never happpen. Its not only Christians against gay marriage. Everyone who voted on Prop 8 in CA were not christians.

You did see that the Mor(m)ons from Salt Lake City involved themselves encouraging their members to donate to the yes on H8 side? Those fools took out 2nd mortgages, they forked-over their kids' college funds, they cleaned out their savings accounts - for what? All to stop two human beings from being civilly married - for now.

All Prop H8 did was to create animonisity between the citizenry AND it completely backfired. It did NOTHING but unify equal rights supporters across this country and even those holding political office. The bigotry was *shocking* enough to get the country's attention.

All those broke Mor(m)ons who blew their wads on H8 will have nothing left to show for it as MARRIAGE-EQUALITY is marching across our country. Since November's vote on H8,*5* more states have legalized same-gender marriages for a total of 6 - or 12% of the states. More on the way in the near future! Other countries have also legalized same-gender marriages.

Get on the bandwagon, bub, because you are on the losing side of history.

[Joe in Novato]

SSracing wrote:

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That, is doubtful. The worst offenders of breaking such a law, are the ones who MAKE them.

I guess you've been living under a rock.

You clearly are unaware of advances made in the fight for EQUAL RIGHTS in just the past 7 months since Prop H8 in CA.

Since that hateful vote, 5 more states have legalized same-gender marriages, others will now recognize marriages performed elsewhere, and even other states have marriage-EQUALITY on the agenda. 5 more states marrying same-gender couples in just 7 short months!

You must be delusional to deny that equal rights for ALL are coming.

[Joe in Novato]

Rose T-H wrote:

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Why would we raise them to condemn G-D? Just because we are Gay or Lesbian does not mean that we are G-DLESS. We have our religious beliefs just like opposite-sex couples and WE WOULD NO MORE IMPOSE OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ON OUR CHILDREN THAN YOU DO.
Being a good parent is providing a stable environment for your child and then allowing them to BE WHO THEY ARE GOING TO BE………seems this works in FAMILES regardless of the gender make-up of the parents.
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You ARE SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL……..We don’t hate HETEROSEXUALITY.
Besides…….Gay Parents DON’T RAISE GAY CHILDREN.
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Again……a bit delusional. Gay and Lesbian parents are not teaching their children to be HOMOSEXUAL………They teach their children tolerance for others, and respect for themselves.
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EXACTLY what are the MEDICAL/EMOTIONAL repercussions of homosexual sex?

EXCELLENT response, Rose, thank you.

SSRacing - read and learn from Rose.

[Daniel P from Long Island]

Mor[m]ons

LOL

:)

[Rose T-H]

Joe in Novato wrote:

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EXCELLENT response, Rose, thank you.
SSRacing - read and learn from Rose.

Your welcome.......but some just want to remain IGNORANT.

He/She believes that only opposite-sex parents raise good kids.........Funny thing........pretty much ONLY OPPOSITE-SEX COUPLES HAVE HOMOSEXUAL CHILDREN.

[Wolfgang E B]

Rose T-H wrote:

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EXACTLY what are the MEDICAL/EMOTIONAL repercussions of homosexual sex?

Ooh!*raises hand* I know!

The same as the medical/emotional repercussions of heterosexual sex.

[Roisia]

SSracing wrote:

Condemn? Condemn their children to what?....the heterosexual lifestyle? lol...How bout that double standard homosexuals have...condemn everyone else, yet don't want to be condemned, themselves.

Firstly have you noticed me condeming heterosexuals at all? For the record i have maybe 1 or 2 other gay friends the rest of my friends are HETEROSEXUAL and i love them dearly.

Are you going to raise them to condemn God? Will you strip that child of their desire to know Him, just because YOU, yourself reject Him? Or will you be mature enough, and sensible enough to not impress what YOU believe onto a child...allowing them their OWN CHOICES?....just as you want and expect for yourselves.

I personally believe that christianity at the very least is a good lesson for children. That there are alot of beliefs within the religion that that is wonderful. I do not hate your god i dont believe in him. However i would not condemn my child if they chose to believe in your god and even if they chose to hate me for what i am. Though i dont think that will happen.

Will you raise them to continue to hate Heterosexuals?...or hate even the child him/herself if he/she chooses to remain heterosexual?

I would teach them to look at WHO the person is and not WHAT the person is when they make their decisions on who they like or dislike.

Will you condemn them if they reject living what they will be learning in a homosexual environment?
Will you be honest enough to explain what the medical/emotional repercussions of homosexual sex are, to a child?

Firstly what would they "Learn" in a homosexual enviroment that they wouldnt in a heterosexual enviroment? Secondly yes i would explain that unsafe sex of ANY kind could cause a mulititude of problems. There are no proven negative reprocussions of homosexual sex.

Are you willing to subject someone else's child to ridicule from other children who have a natural understanding of who their parents should consist of? We all know that children can be cruel. And without any help from anyone. Or will you constantly use your hatred toward heterosexuals, opposers, etc..as a justification for your actions?

You really think i hate heterosexuals dont you? Unlike you i judge people by the content of their character not the person that they sleep with. And yes i would be willing to. Because through the ridicule many good lessons can be learned. Like people have different beliefs and some people believe that my exsistance is the most evil thing on earth. They are not wrong in having that opinion because every one has a right to their beliefs. If people want to condemn me or harm me that is their right.

We all know that there are plenty of heterosexual parents who need not have children, this is true....but is not the issue, or point.

This is EXACTLY the point. Many parents have kids without a second thought to the reprocussions. They give those children up for adoption. If its a baby then its fine because many couples want babies. But if its a child of older age parents wont adopt them. They are put in Orphanage like homes were they have maybe one or two parental figures to a relatively big group of people. Or they are put in foster homes were they are not always loved and are sometimes used for the money.
Of the homeless children population its estimated that as high as 60% were kicked out of their houses because they identify as LGBT.
The point is if you dont want us to adopt your children dont give them up. But if you do give them up we will be here to give them a loving healthy enviroment.

[Rose T-H]

Wolfgang E B wrote:

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Ooh!*raises hand* I know!
The same as the medical/emotional repercussions of heterosexual sex.

Good answer<walks over and places a gold star on the back of the hand for giving such a great response.>

We are very proud of Wolfgang for his thoughtful answer.

Thank you:)

[Quest]

sue wrote:

<quoted text>That will never happpen. Its not only Christians against gay marriage. Everyone who voted on Prop 8 in CA were not christians.

Yess, some were simply fearful anti-family bigots, but their numbers are dwindling every year.

Since there is no reason whatsoever to ban gay couples from the right to marry, eventually the laws will change at the federal level. If not now, then later.

That's the way it always works. Discrimination is not based on logic or reality, and it always falls.

[Quest]

SSracing wrote:

Condemn? Condemn their children to what?....the heterosexual lifestyle? lol...How bout that double standard homosexuals have...condemn everyone else, yet don't want to be condemned, themselves.
Are you going to raise them to condemn God? Will you strip that child of their desire to know Him, just because YOU, yourself reject Him? Or will you be mature enough, and sensible enough to not impress what YOU believe onto a child...allowing them their OWN CHOICES?....just as you want and expect for yourselves.
Will you raise them to continue to hate Heterosexuals?...or hate even the child him/herself if he/she chooses to remain heterosexual?
Will you condemn them if they reject living what they will be learning in a homosexual environment?
Will you be honest enough to explain what the medical/emotional repercussions of homosexual sex are, to a child?
Are you willing to subject someone else's child to ridicule from other children who have a natural understanding of who their parents should consist of? We all know that children can be cruel. And without any help from anyone. Or will you constantly use your hatred toward heterosexuals, opposers, etc..as a justification for your actions?
We all know that there are plenty of heterosexual parents who need not have children, this is true....but is not the issue, or point.

Your silliness has already been answered line for illogical line, but I have yet to see a coherent response from you ....

[Roisia]

Quest wrote:

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Your silliness has already been answered line for illogical line, but I have yet to see a coherent response from you ....

He does seem to forget about single parents alot doesnt he?

[SSracing]

Rose, There IS a delusion. But, I'm not under it. I never said you were godless. It's just not "God" that you serve....which is why I posed the questions I did. Religion, is a "manmade ideology that has ruined people's efforts to reach God effectively.
However...if you read God's Word, all of your curiosities, question, doubts, etc...can be clearly answered as to why your lifestyle does not provide the intended dynamics for a child. Regardless of what you believe. It's not MY Law. It's God's.
In what way can the homosexual community convince society that you will not do the same to a child when it comes to God and His Laws, as your community does now, to God? I mean, it's pretty blasphemous what your community has to say about/against God. Especially when He has not a thing to do with your choices, but is the ONLY One who can save you from them.
I never said you hated "heterosexuality". That's quite slick of you. But your community has been word-playing for ages now. It's "heterosexuals" that oppose what you do...that you hate. And as a homosexual parent(?), what interest would you have in raising a heterosexual child? What benefit is it to you?
How will you provide stability in such an environment when the basis of what you will be confronted with as a parent, is going to be conflicting? Surely you understand that "influence" is a big factor in child rearing results, don't you?
Would you still teach your child "tolerance to homosexuality", if they chose to serve God, hence learning God's commands against it?
What I, and countless others are amazed at, is the audacity of the homosexual community to try and imbed this indoctrination into the school system as part of the curriculum. This is really where you have ruined it for yourselves. I know your community does not have the foresight to see this, but, you should have never gone there. The parents that you are opposed with, care not about what you do in your PRIVATE life. But they are not going to let you undermine their authority as the biological parent of any said child.
Your community has fantasized that more people accept your lifestyle than don't. With this, you've developed a strong sense of self that has influenced your aggression, and unrelenting badgering of our lawmakers to the point of caving to your pleas. This has NOTHING to do with civil rights, rights, or any of that because much of what your community does is just not civil. The same as your community constantly label-branding those who are not supportive of homosexuality. It is about CHOICES...no matter how much your community cannot accept that. It is what it is. Are you people really willing to go so far as to to instigate a civil war? Gosh....that is a battle that you will not win. Law, or no law.