Same-sex marriage foes warn of kindergarten lessons on gay matrimony

Backers of a November initiative to ban same-sex marriage in California plan to tell voters in the state ballot pamphlet that the constitutional amendment would protect children as young as kindergarten age from being taught in school about the virtues of gay and lesbian matrimony.

"If the gay marriage ruling is not overturned, teachers will be required to teach young children there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional marriage," supporters of Proposition 8 said in ballot arguments that went on public display this week at the secretary of state's office.

[jlmiller]

Larry wrote:

The ridiculous political charade of homosexual "marriage" remains exposed as the fraud that it is.
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that permits the oxymoron.
Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive
relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.
No homosexual "marriage" is recognized by the US Government. We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage. It is of course ludicrous to claim that "equal rights" are involved in trying to disenfranchise others on the legal definition of marriage.
Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.
No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage, and the two are VERY different.
No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.
Marriage is indeed very different from any homosexual relationship:
Here are some MAJOR differences between real marriage and any sort of homosexual relationship, especially regarding any governmental involvement:
Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that allows the contrived oxymoron and only about 1.6% of the US population claims to be "GLBT" anyway, so homosexual "marriage" fails on this one!
Children are the usual and natural result of real marriage. No child will EVER be born as a direct result of a homosexual relationship, so homomarriage fails on this one, too!
Having both a mother and father in the home is one of the best statistical predictors of a child's future success in life. No homosexual relationship can provide this.
Marriage is recognized as moral and necessary by nearly all Americans. Americans overwhelmingly reject homosexual "marriage" and most find homosexual acts to be immoral and damaging.

I would love to see your statistics on the garbage you posted here. You do know the divorce rate is hovering right around 40 percent right? So heterosexuals must be doing it right!

Right winged fundamentalist "Americans" find homosexuals to be immoral and damaging. Not free thinking americans. Personally I find closed minded, bigoted people to be more immoral (really more like amoral) and very damaging to our young folks.

Homosexuals most certainly have long term, monogomous relationships. They are not perverts or pedophiles just because they are gay.

Remember divorce is the biggest insult to marriage, not same sex marriage.

[SFer]

Another false dilemma from this group. As quoted in Wikipedia on the subject --- certainly appropirate here --- of demagoguery, "The early 20th century American social critic and humorist H. L. Mencken, known for his "definitions" of terms, defined a demagogue as 'one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.'"

[Rick in Kansas]

Larry wrote:

(previously refuted pathological lies and heterofascist propaganda)

Sorry Wil, but what this article exposes as a fraud are the tactics of the proponents of Prop 8. Since they, much like yourself, don't have any real facts on their side, they have to try and scare people into supporting their position and also much like yourself, they aren't all that embarrassed about making up their "facts" out of whole cloth as they go along.

You should read the official positions of the proponents of Prop 8, they read like your asinine cut and paste heterosfascist rants...

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_p...
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_p...

Just to show the rational side of the arguments:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_p...
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_p...

[Resist Ignorance]

Oh, Jeebus! Give me a break. And Wil, why don't you just shut up with your cut and paste BS?

[John]

Okay, I admit that kindergarten was over 40 years ago, so maybe my memory is failing on this point, but I don't recall any kind of teaching about marriage in kindergarten. We were too busy learning to count and say our ABCs and learn our colors and tie our shoes and play nice with others. And on that last point especially, it's obvious didn't really learn those kindergarten lessons, so maybe they've just forgotten what really goes on in kindergarten. It's just one more contrived argument, inventing imaginary issues as grounds for continued oppression and discrimination.

To some individuals, it seems to feel really good to have some person or group they can look down on as inferior or unworthy, whether for reasons of race, nationality, gender, social class, or sexual orientation. And it's especially irritating when those people keep rising up to insist that they are just as able and deserving as others. Isn't it funny how nearly everyone recognizing the demagogues for what they are long before they recognize themselves?

[McMike]

Harvey wrote:

<quoted text>
Neither you nor any of your fellow h0mofascist clones can document even one country on earth where any significant percent of homosexuals has "married."
The priest abuse scandal was more the EIGHTY PERCENT homosexual. What does THAT tell you?
Leftwing atheists like Mao and Stalin tried to exterminate homosexuals. Fidel has sent them to labor camps for generations now. China is currently trying to purge Beijing of homosexual activity to clean up for the Olympics.

Well this would makes sense seeing about 80% of the priesthood is queer. Too funny though - ar you seriously using Mao, Stalin and Fidel as pillars as how society should work. You might wanna go ahead and throw Hitler in this bunch.

Each and every turn fundies make with their statements does nothing but further the LGBT cause.

[Rocco]

Yeah, what kind of debate about the institution of marriage are you going to have with 5 year olds? I was busy learning to read and write.

[ltndncr59]

John wrote:

Okay, I admit that kindergarten was over 40 years ago, so maybe my memory is failing on this point, but I don't recall any kind of teaching about marriage in kindergarten. We were too busy learning to count and say our ABCs and learn our colors and tie our shoes and play nice with others. And on that last point especially, it's obvious didn't really learn those kindergarten lessons, so maybe they've just forgotten what really goes on in kindergarten. It's just one more contrived argument, inventing imaginary issues as grounds for continued oppression and discrimination.
To some individuals, it seems to feel really good to have some person or group they can look down on as inferior or unworthy, whether for reasons of race, nationality, gender, social class, or sexual orientation. And it's especially irritating when those people keep rising up to insist that they are just as able and deserving as others. Isn't it funny how nearly everyone recognizing the demagogues for what they are long before they recognize themselves?

I DO seem to remember that we didn't have any 'sex education' or 'health' classes until I was well into middle school (although we used to call it 'junior high'). And show and tell was fun. Once I chose to show the class the spots that had appeared on my belly. Turns out it was Rubella!

[Rocco]

Harvey wrote:

<quoted text>
Leftwing atheists like Mao and Stalin tried to exterminate homosexuals. Fidel has sent them to labor camps for generations now. China is currently trying to purge Beijing of homosexual activity to clean up for the Olympics.

Communist governments were not kind to anyone and certainly not to gays. What is your point? Did someone suggest to you that most left-wing people weren't homophobic?

[Rocco]

Just to clarify - gays have historically had few friends from EITHER side of the political spectrum

[jlmiller]

Harvey wrote:

<quoted text>
Neither you nor any of your fellow h0mofascist clones can document even one country on earth where any significant percent of homosexuals has "married."
The priest abuse scandal was more the EIGHTY PERCENT homosexual. What does THAT tell you?
Leftwing atheists like Mao and Stalin tried to exterminate homosexuals. Fidel has sent them to labor camps for generations now. China is currently trying to purge Beijing of homosexual activity to clean up for the Olympics.

And this garbage means what? I want to see your numbers. Where is the cite for the information about the priest abuse scandal? Heterosexuals don't molest children? The fact of the matter is, if you have such a problem with homosexual relationships, then don't have one. You do not have the right however to tell someone else who they can love or for that matter who they can marry.

None of what you stated has anything to do with homosexuals being allowed to marry. Maybe there are not more same sex marriages in areas that allow same sex marriages because of closed minded, judgmental, just plain ignorant people who feel the need to stick their noses where they don't belong. What does that tell YOU?

[Live-n-Let-Live]

Larry wrote:

The ridiculous political charade of homosexual "marriage" remains exposed as the fraud that it is.
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that permits the oxymoron.
Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive
relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.
No homosexual "marriage" is recognized by the US Government. We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage. It is of course ludicrous to claim that "equal rights" are involved in trying to disenfranchise others on the legal definition of marriage.
Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.
No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage, and the two are VERY different.
No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.
Marriage is indeed very different from any homosexual relationship:
Here are some MAJOR differences between real marriage and any sort of homosexual relationship, especially regarding any governmental involvement:
Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that allows the contrived oxymoron and only about 1.6% of the US population claims to be "GLBT" anyway, so homosexual "marriage" fails on this one!
Children are the usual and natural result of real marriage. No child will EVER be born as a direct result of a homosexual relationship, so homomarriage fails on this one, too!
Having both a mother and father in the home is one of the best statistical predictors of a child's future success in life. No homosexual relationship can provide this.
Marriage is recognized as moral and necessary by nearly all Americans. Americans overwhelmingly reject homosexual "marriage" and most find homosexual acts to be immoral and damaging.

I am curious about one thing...? Why are you so afraid not to just use one screen name... what's up with all these multiple aliases? It makes you really look like a nut case...

And what you write is B*O*R*I*N*G....

[ltndncr59]

Rocco wrote:

Just to clarify - gays have historically had few friends from EITHER side of the political spectrum

Well, there's ALWAYS Larry Craig!

[Live-n-Let-Live]

California schools do not talk about marriage until High School, as part of its Sex Education.

Same Sex Marriage is already legal and no schools have changed their curriculum regarding the teaching of marriage.

This is just another example of the type of dishonesty and lies supporters will say or do to win. But the wording will be challenged in court before it can be put on the ballot pamphlets...

[ltndncr59]

Rocco wrote:

Yeah, what kind of debate about the institution of marriage are you going to have with 5 year olds? I was busy learning to read and write.

I didn't get there til 1st grade. We were discussing Proust and Kierkergaard in Kindergarten. We hadn't read them yet, we just discussed them.

[Rocco]

Well in Canada there have been tens of thousands of gay marriages since 2002, which is a lot because out considering that there might be 1 million gays out of a population of 30 million. I'd call that significant

[jlmiller]

Harvey wrote:

<quoted text>
Neither you nor any of your fellow h0mofascist clones can document even one country on earth where any significant percent of homosexuals has "married."
The priest abuse scandal was more the EIGHTY PERCENT homosexual. What does THAT tell you?
Leftwing atheists like Mao and Stalin tried to exterminate homosexuals. Fidel has sent them to labor camps for generations now. China is currently trying to purge Beijing of homosexual activity to clean up for the Olympics.

"County clerks issued more than 8,500 marriage licenses in the first week same-sex marriage was legal in California, more than two and half times an average June week, a Times survey found.

The tally includes licenses issued to both same-sex and heterosexual couples, although county clerks in many locations indicated that the majority went to gay and lesbian couples.

Riverside County, where Palm Springs has marketed itself as a destination for gay marriages, saw the largest percentage increase, jumping nearly 1,000%. County officials said 329 of the 493 licenses issued went to same-sex couples."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marri...

Since same sex marriage is relatively new to the US, only Massachusetts and California allowing actual marriages, I guess we will wait and see what the numbers show. I know a few same sex couples who are more loving, caring and dedicated to their partners than MANY heterosexual couples I know.

[mixed]

Same sex marriage foes just hate reality, period. Reality doesn't meet their irrational religious based "logic". Nothing about religion can truly be considered logical in the first place.

[mrSteven]

geez....... THEY ARE bunch of liars about "youngesters will be taught about gay marriages.. bunch of bs.. i hope they will sue

[Quest]

Ichiro wrote:

<quoted text>
Homosexual "marriage" has no real basis in homosexual life. These paltry figures in a state of over 30 million people show that it isn't even much of a political charade.
There obviously was no huge backlog of homosexuals waiting to "marry!"
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that allows the oxymoron, and it has always tapered off rapidly after the initial charade.

Tee--HEEE.

Wil Dear, tell that to the thousands of happily married gay/lesbian couples in California.