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2008 Presidential Election

Oct 11, 2008

Investigating John McCain's Tragedy at Sea

Troubling questions hover over Lt. Cmdr. McCain’s actions in the catastrophic 1967 fire aboard the aircraft carrier Forrestal and the period immediately afterward. His later accounts of events following the accident also raise issues. American voters, after hearing so much from the senator’s campaign about his military record, deserve to know all the facts.

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McCain does not want this story disseminated.
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Baby Alex wrote:
What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?
Answer: They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.:)
lol its too bad you weren't in the Pentagon when it blew up
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Baby Alex wrote:
What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?
Answer: They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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wow! mcain is train wreck all those navy personnel die for him clowning around with the jet.

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Hahahahaha.
It doesn't matter. McCain has had his last hurrah. We're sending the Obama's to live in the White House.
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OMG, if hell freezes over and McShame/Possum get in office it will be the soap opera from hell for 4 years!! This is all dark satire and I hope I'm just lost in bad theater.
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John McCain's suicide attempt and his resulting PTSD
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
December 23, 2007
Presidential candidate John McCain's recently released Christmas ad depicting him as a tortured POW survivor underscores a reoccurring theme McCain's handlers have, for decades, carefully intertwined deep into his public persona and political campaigns.
McCain says because he survived 5½ years of brutal torture, while a prisoner of the communist Vietnamese, he is better qualified to be president of the United States than any other candidate. McCain claims his POW sufferings included three years in solitary confinement where he was tortured so badly that he "broke," causing him to attempt suicide.
What McCain's promoters have carefully edited out of their McCain-for-president equation is his post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Department of Defense psychiatrists have evaluated McCain for PTSD several times, the results of which remain locked by privacy laws.
PTSD can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which physical harm occurred or was threatened. U.S. government studies have concluded that former POWs "may remain embroiled in a harsh psychological battle with themselves for decades after returning home."
An outcome of PTSD is a subtle web of personal problems including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and an inability to function well under stress.
Psychologist Patricia B. Sutker of the New Orleans Veterans Administration Medical Center and her colleagues reported in a 1991 issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry that as many as nine of 10 surviving U.S. servicemen taken captive during the Korean War may suffer from PTSD and other mental disorders more than 35 years after their release.
In a follow-up study, VA experts concluded that POWs suffer "a much greater risk of developing PTSD than combat veterans."
Robert Timberg, in his book, The Nightingale's Song, wrote that POW McCain "suffered terribly in North Vietnamese camps."
Timberg wrote that in July 1968, McCain was taken to a room in which the North Vietnamese POW camp commander, whom the prisoners had nicknamed "Slopehead," was waiting with 10 guards and an interrogator nicked named "The Prick."
The guards, according to Timberg, charged into McCain, beating and kicking him until he "lay on the floor, bloody, arms and legs throbbing, ribs cracked, several teeth broken off at the gumline." The Vietnamese wanted McCain to confess to being a war criminal.
It was then and there that McCain, Timberg noted, was introduced for the first time to the "torture ropes." He wrote that McCain was tortured for several days before he broke and signed a confession that he was a war criminal. After signing the confession, McCain was so distraught that he attempted suicide but was stopped when a guard burst into the room.
Over the years, countless numbers of columnist/pundits have nearly drowned in their own drool suggesting McCain's POW experience greatly qualifies him to be president.
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What do Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?

Osama and Obama.

Osama bin Laden said, long time ago
-I vill take vest-world on knee.
-They only understand many.
Obama is in leading and world economy crash!
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Washington Post columnist George Will once wrote that because McCain was such an "obstinate" POW hero resister, he was kept "in solitary confinement most of that time ... Every day for two years, one of his guards ordered him to bow, and then knocked him down."
Another columnist/pundit wrote, "McCain is a war hero ... He was tossed into the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton' prison camp, where he was hung by his fractured arms for hours at a time."
In the last two weeks before Christmas 2007, McCain is riding high on a new round of high-profile endorsements.
The New Hampshire Union Leader endorsed McCain on Dec. 16. Then former Democrat Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), gave his blessings followed by "back-to-back-to-back endorsements from three other major newspapers, The Des Moines Register, The Boston Globe and The Portsmouth Herald."
The New Hampshire Union Leader wrote, "Sen. McCain is much more than just a war hero who chose to endure years of abuse at the hands of a sadistic enemy rather than abandon his comrades."
The Des Moines Register wrote. "In an era of instant celebrity, we sometimes forget the real heroes in our midst. The defining chapter of McCain's life came 40 years ago as a naval aviator, when he was shot down over Vietnam. The crash broke both arms and a leg. When first seeing him, a fellow prisoner recalls thinking he wouldn't live the night. He was beaten and kept in solitary confinement, held five years. Sen. McCain is much more than just a war hero who chose to endure years of abuse at the hands of a sadistic enemy rather than abandon his comrades."
The Portsmouth Herald wrote, "As a former prisoner of war who was denied medical care and beaten by the North Vietnamese, McCain understands at the deepest level that torturing helpless prisoners who may or may not have some information ..."
Unfortunately for McCain, the baggage that accompanies understanding "the deepest level" of torture and especially "attempted suicide" is the psychological trauma known as PTSD.
same who worked tirelessly during the Vietnam War to make sure Hanoi released all U.S. POWs - including POW McCain.
McCain immediately began quarreling with the POW/MIA family members, who were eager to question him on the issue of what happened to their loved ones.
Instead showing courtesy and appropriate compassion by answering their questions, the Arizona senator pushed through the group, shoving them out of his way, nearly toppling the wheelchair of POW/MIA mother Jane Duke Gaylor. Her son, Charles Duke, a civilian worker in Vietnam, is among 2,300 American POWs and MIAs still unaccounted for by the communists.
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POW families were even more angered when they saw McCain actually bonding with his former torturers during and after the 1992 Senate Select Committee hearings on POW/MIA Affairs. Psychologist have identified behavior in which a prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome.

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the right wing is faultering and the more they do so - the more frenzied the pright wing posts here become- the name calling of the left becomes more frantic and angry - this is better than watching pavlov's dog
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Some "war hero"; more like "war zero"!!

There are MORE along those lines in the new book "Vetting John McCain".

He is a DISGRACE!!
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McSHAME/Stalin =
Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

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CONT...

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)
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The ABUSE of power continues....

The "First Dud". Scary!!

Toad Palin:
The Shadow Governor?
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor
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A post I came across on an Alaskan msg board....

Alaskan Hillbillies

Submitted by Glenn05 on Fri, 2008-09-19 08:40.
Can't wait till we get the Alaskan Hillbillies (Palins) in the white house. Oh the fun we will have on comedy central and SNL!! Sarah will be destroying her foes with a bloodthristy vengence, Todd will be riding around DC on is "snow machine" Bristol will have her gun toting, boozing, wheel's off friends over having keg parties on the white house lawn. Heck when it rains they can go mudding in their 4x4s!! That wheel's off church the Palin's attended for 2 decades that is predicting the end of the world is coming can hold mass in Congress. Oh the fun it will be!!! Come on America is this the best this great nation can produce for the highest office in the land!!!
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Palin is a piece of ass...that's all that matters!
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I really wondered how long it would be until the dirt came out on McCain. When you see a candidate waste 100% time smearing a candidate, then call that same candidate a decent, family man, you know the pot is calling the kettle black.

The woman that shot the doctor in both arms and bragged about it to McCain. Who hangs with the "terrorist"?

And the way John McCain exaggerates at the debates. Fixing the deficit in four years? "I'll get him" in a desperate voice meaning Bin Laden.

Come on. Unbelievable garbage and rhetoric.

Not to mention all the anti-Obama spam going across these boards.

Absolutely nobody has any real proof of anything.

I dont doubt that McCain harps up his record to get attention. But I dont care either. I have no interest in smearing McCain or anyone else.

And I am certain that Obama doesnt care either because he's playing it like a politician should play it. While the intellectual Americans listen, the redneck dropouts shoot guns in the air and talk about lynch mobs at the GOP rallies.

I think I dont want to vote for someone like McCain. And dont waste your time posting the spam about Obama. No one is listening. You already have lost many of your hateful followers. They finally found their way to the "sane" party. Maybe you will wise up and do the same.

You cant be guilty by association alone. You cant be guilty by someone else's actions or comments.

Its all a bunch of broken information being slapped together to trick the gullible. I hope it does trick the gullible. We dont want reckless gullible people making decisions in this country anymore.
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Swift boating McCain is just as wrong as swift boating John Kerry. Americans of both parties are above this kind of crap. Enough of the character bashing, let's concentrate on the issues. I am an Obama supporter, but I believe all of the candidates deserve to be treated fairly.
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