Democratic Impasse Creates Muddle for Superdelegates

Jeanne Lemire Dahlman, a Montana superdelegate and rancher, has declared her allegiance to Senator Barack Obama .

[Mr_Bill]

Superdelegates must ask themselves:
What is my Role?

Should they ratify the voters in their own states?

Should they vote against the grain, if they feel that to do so is necessary to guaranree a win in thr general election?

Far more important than the majority is the PATTERN.
Mr. Obama is winning the states who will give their electoral vote to Mr. McCain.

Many of the votes he got are 'spoiler votes,' that is, the Republicans & un-enrolled who voted in Democratic Primaries; for who they perceive to be the weaker candidate in November.

Many of the 'independents' who Mr. Obama is bragging about have NO INTEWNTION of voting for him in the general election. Spme, in these states, they consider the Republican Party to be 'too liberal.'

For a true picture of who the 'super-delegates' should vote for:

MAKE a list of the states that voted domocratic in two of the past four presidential elections, eliminate those in which Republicans can vote in the Democratic Primary, and see who carried those states.

This would be the TRUE Democratic Candidate. I have not done this, but if someone who is a statistics expert would asttempt it; I would support whoever is the winner of this analysis.

NOTE TO ALL DEM DELEGATES & SUPERDELEGATES:
A delegate to the DNC has the responsibility of representing his district in a critical function. After the 1st ballot, you are no longer bound.

Vote well, my brothers and sisters; these are times that try men's souls.

-Mr Bill
Delegate, DNC 1976
NYS 18th C.D.

[Liberalism]

Funniest thing about all of this is:

The GOP primaries are actually more democratic than the Democrats.

The Republicans have no "super delegates" to interfere with the people's choice.

[Liberalism]

Mr_Bill wrote:

Superdelegates must ask themselves:
What is my Role?

The Super Delegates were established after the far left chose the un-electable George McGovern as the Democrat candidate.

The Super Delegates sole responsibility is to make sure the Democrat candidate is "electable".

The Super Delegates are a result of the Democrat Party's focus on gaining power first, placing democratic principles & the democracy of majority's choice second & third.

[JCD]

The Superdelegates are not convinced with "The Hilldog Joker" win in PA. For crying out load she only gained 10 delegates. He still leads her by over a very wide margin. To vote for the Hildebeast is political suicide.

No more pardons for terrorists in the next Clinton administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_par...

"On August 11, 1999, Clinton, commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States "

The price for this was Puerto Rican support in "The Hilldog Joker" senate race.

Nice.

[gotta point]

From a Dutch newspaper:

'We in Denmark cannot figure out why Americans are even bothering to hold an election.

On one side, you have a lawyer who is married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a lawyer.

On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a blonde with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.

Is there a contest here?'

[Malbec lover]

As super-delegates look at Pennsylvania's results, I suggest that look at one result which has gotten little attention. Ron Paul received 130,000 votes in the Republican Primary (16+% of the vote). Who are these voters and why did they turn out in this number. If you look at Rep. Paul's votes in other primaries, this is a significant number. Pennsylvania was a closed primary. Republicans therefore could not vote for Obama. Are these closet Obama voters? Paul's campaign drew largely on young, anti-war, pro change voters. Yes, Mr. Paul also had many other issue stands (some of them a little off-the-wall), but I think that most of his voters seem likely to be more pro-Obama than pro Clinton or McCain. Finally, if 130,000 people would turn out and vote in a republican primary that had already been decided I assume many more republicans feel the same way. Lest you think that this was just a protest vote against McCain by conservatives (Huckabee was also on the ballot and received 90,000 votes).

[lchow]

OBAMA IS THE WRONG CANDIDATE AND THE MEDIA SHOULD PUBLISH THE TRUTH!

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China's Emperor and Head of State in Exile
By Officially Emper - April 26, 2008, 12:15PM

Perhaps, I should ask TPM readers to forgive me for my blatant remarks about Barack Obama. My reason for going against Barack Obama is due to his reluctance to come to terms with the truth of the Iraq War. In my own name, I negotiated an end to this war in 1990. This was during a time, when the Bush Senior administration was continually saying that all "they" wanted was for Saddam to get out of Kuwait. Well, Saddam did agree due to letters and conversations we had with their government and it was the Bush administration in 1990 that lied! This war really ended in November 1990 with Saddam's agreement to Bush Whitehouse terms. The Bush administration reneged in an illegal effort to take our nation to war and many people including Democrats have REFUSED to come to terms with the truth behind this Iraq War.

Barack Obama would have been informed via our government's intelligence services as well as communications received from us, while he was a US Senator. We sent him about 8 to 12 letters, also, from the time he announced his candidacy.

Barack Obama, in so far as we know, is against international cooperation with China and against the true tenets of peace. he is against ending the Iraq War and against prosecuting President Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condolezza Rice, and a few others.

When people commit violations of US and international laws and murders two million Iraqi citizens, via an illegal war, a war that did not have to be fought, at a cost to taxpayers of two trillion dollars, these people should be indicted and the nation of Iraq compensated for the damage that we have done and for the innocent lives that our nation had fraudulently taken.

If America does not rectify this war, then it sets a poor tone for the future. Barack Obama and many other people, Democrats, especially those who are asking Hillary to step down have been responsible for this illegal war and the outright slaughter of two million innocent Iraqi citizens.

If Obama was more responsible and had better character, he would demand that America correct its mistakes. JFK was an advocate of this idea!

Saddam and the Baath party were the legal and legitimate power in Iraq and they kept law and order. Saddam's name was slandered by the US government in an effort to get people and nations to go against him. Outright lies were told as was distortions of the truth.

Even today Saddam's regime is the legal and lawful government of Iraq.

If Bush Senior had listened to us as well as to the CIA, we would never be in this mess!

(To be continued)

[lchow]

We are known world wide and many foreign heads of state hold us in respect. letters to important people like Britain's Tony Blair, Iraq's Chief Administrator L. Paul Bremer, and US Secretary of State answer our letters and inquiries almost immediately. President Bush is negligent as is US Senator Barack Obama.

Important and relevant issues, Barack Obama does not want to deal with and the whole truth behind Obama and his sordid past should really be revealed!

The Imperial family of China is pro-west. We are not communist. Isn't this a good thing? To be able to have good allies abroad, friendly to the US and Western interest. To be able to have people who are American, also, leading other nations in the world righteously and by upright codes. Isn't this something very good, rather than to deal with an enemy and to have to deal with international terrorism?

Barack wants nothing to do with us, even if we are (/my family is) UCC Christians (I am a Methodist though). Barack does not listen to God and he does not adhere to Christian principles. Christ said that his followers (Christians) should have a brotherly love for one another. This is not the case with Barack Obama towards us. We are treated with more dignity by US Senator John McCain, former President Bill Clinton, and Republicans in the Nixon-Regan era as well as by the Bush family (George H.W. and George W. Bush).

From what we can see Barack Obama does have secrets and he just does not intend to be honorable and uphold the law with regard to the Iraq War.

End

[Malbec lover]

My thanks to Ichow for letting us know that, in addition to committing the U.S. to the obliteration of Iran, Hillary Clinton will firmly commit the U.S. to the restoration of the Chinese Monarchy. My suggestion is that Ichow convince her to give a major foreign policy address on this urgent need.

Additionally considering his eminent qualifications, Ichow should redirect his efforts to communicate with a larger audience. This humble topix community is too small. Considering his connections, he should have no problem securing a full page op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal. That would reach a much larger audience to expose not only Senator Clinton’s belief in the need for the Imperial Family’s restoration to power, but also the evil lack of courtesy shown by both Senator Obama and President Bush to the rightful ruler of more than a billion people.

[JCD]

It's over for The Hilldog Joker. Here is the latest analysis from Dick Morris:

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/04/24/no-...

It's over Hilldoggy.

[Mr_Bill]

Liberalism wrote:

Funniest thing about all of this is:
The GOP primaries are actually more democratic than the Democrats.
The Republicans have no "super delegates" to interfere with the people's choice.

Incorrect.

[Little Miss Nobody USA]

Mr_Bill wrote:

Superdelegates must ask themselves:
What is my Role?
Should they ratify the voters in their own states?
Should they vote against the grain, if they feel that to do so is necessary to guaranree a win in thr general election?
Far more important than the majority is the PATTERN.
Mr. Obama is winning the states who will give their electoral vote to Mr. McCain.
Many of the votes he got are 'spoiler votes,' that is, the Republicans & un-enrolled who voted in Democratic Primaries; for who they perceive to be the weaker candidate in November.
Many of the 'independents' who Mr. Obama is bragging about have NO INTEWNTION of voting for him in the general election. Spme, in these states, they consider the Republican Party to be 'too liberal.'
For a true picture of who the 'super-delegates' should vote for:
MAKE a list of the states that voted domocratic in two of the past four presidential elections, eliminate those in which Republicans can vote in the Democratic Primary, and see who carried those states.
This would be the TRUE Democratic Candidate. I have not done this, but if someone who is a statistics expert would asttempt it; I would support whoever is the winner of this analysis.
NOTE TO ALL DEM DELEGATES & SUPERDELEGATES:
A delegate to the DNC has the responsibility of representing his district in a critical function. After the 1st ballot, you are no longer bound.
Vote well, my brothers and sisters; these are times that try men's souls.
-Mr Bill
Delegate, DNC 1976
NYS 18th C.D.

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I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU PERSONALLY WANT TO BE
PRECIEVED.
I HOPE THIS HELPS.

[CaptainH]

Liberalism wrote:

<quoted text>
The Super Delegates were established after the far left chose the un-electable George McGovern as the Democrat candidate.
The Super Delegates sole responsibility is to make sure the Democrat candidate is "electable".
The Super Delegates are a result of the Democrat Party's focus on gaining power first, placing democratic principles & the democracy of majority's choice second & third.

Just shows how undemocratic the party has become.
We don't need ANY Democrat in the White House. Ever.
Unless you want to be regulated from the cradle to the grave.
Saved from yourself on a daily basis.
They have no principles.
Nothing is ever their fault.
They play politics with everything.
They manipulate problems that they create.
They believe in themselves, and nothing else.
Only they have rights - everyone else has laws.
Their agenda is to win - at all costs.
Power is it's own reward.
After the victory, they figure out what to do.
Even when they win, they can't govern.
Some leaders.
When I was young and naive, I fell for them. Then, as I grew older and wiser, I started to see the Democrats for the con-artists they truly are.
Now I despise them.

[Ava Mae Lewis]

gotta point wrote:

From a Dutch newspaper:
'We in Denmark cannot figure out why Americans are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a lawyer who is married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a blonde with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?'

oh, its worse than that... Apparently when John McCain, war hero, returned, he began to carouse and hang out a LOT.... The wife who had waited so faithfully for his return to her and his kids had been in an automobile accident, she did not want him told while he was POW, she was several inches shorter and had gained a lot of weight when he returned.... he did not bother divorcing her before he began his carousing... and actually began an affair with his current wife while he was still married.

I think its neat that Obama always honors McCain for his service, but it is clear that POW's don't make good POTUS...

[Ava Mae Lewis]

CaptainH wrote:

<quoted text>
Just shows how undemocratic the party has become.
We don't need ANY Democrat in the White House. Ever.
.

You might be able to answer a question for me... if you're old enough...

There's a lot written about opposition government being essential to a democracy.. and that gave birth to the two party system... heck...however many parties is ok....

So I am just wondering why such hatred for fellow Americans, members of the opposition party essential to democracy...

[franklin]

anybody that calls themselves a "super delegate" has been muddled for quite a while.

[JCD]

Mr_Bill wrote:

<quoted text>
Incorrect.

What's incorrect? They don't have superdelegates. They also counted Florida and Michigan.

[Obama Lunch Pail Folk]

Rogues Gallery of Dem delegates:

Dem superdelegate Acevedo Vila indicted on 19 felony counts
Dem superdelegate Kwame Kilpatrick indicted for perjury, obstruction of justice
Dem superdelegate Alcee Hastings was removed from office for bribery and perjury
Dem superdelegate Nancy Worley indicted on felony campaign finance violations
Dem superdelegate William Jefferson indicted for conspiracy and solicitation of bribes
Dem superdelegate Jim McDermott ordered to pay $1 million in legal fees

Dem superdelegate Jimmy Carter met with Hamas terror leader
Dem delegate Sharpe James and mistress convicted in corruption trial
Dem delegate Derrick Shepherd indicted
Husband of Dem superdelegate Debbie Stabenow told police he paid a prostitute for sex

Obama delegate arrested for filing false police report
These people will pick the next canadate??????????

[Liberalism]

Mr_Bill wrote:

<quoted text>
Incorrect.

Your saying that doesn't make it true.

The information was correct. You are wrong.

Prove otherwise...

[Liberalism]

Zulu wrote:

Great News! Line em up and knock em down Barack...
VICTORY DRAWS NEAR!!

Obama is a "red diaper baby", raised in a communist home.

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