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Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford

"Now Miss Crawford was also driven, but not the same way I miss Davis was, as mistake of us was always driven." Damn dictation! Not in the same way Miss Davis was, as Miss Davis was always driven." Sorry, no editing function in MobileSafari browser.  (Jul 5, 2015 | post #12)

Bette Davis

Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford

I never saw this comment until today, but I have to say everything you have said is completely true. Most of the time I am a huge fan of Miss Davis, but sometimes it's Crawford. What is ironic is that their lives are so parallel to each other. But the one thing that you brought up is that sometimes Miss Davis could be simply unbearable to be around, whereas the impression I get from Miss Crawford was that she was a little more laid-back generally. And I think that is the issue, because Crawford really did work at some of her roles to make them look and be great. It seems to me that Miss Davis was a natural so it might have been easier for her, but she was highly energetic and extremely driven and a perfectionist. I can understand that, because that is how I am. Now Miss Crawford was also driven, but not the same way I miss Davis was, as mistake of us was always driven. She never would relax, that was her problem. She always had to work, both of these actresses had to work, loved working, were upset and depressed when they were not working. They were upset when the shoot was over and they had to go home, they didn't want to go home. They would rather keep working on it and get it perfect. And I think the slight difference was, miss Davis was a perfectionist for the project, she didn't care much about herself, she wanted the project to be great. But to make the work better she had to make her part better. Whereas Miss Crawford, she wanted herself to look and be great. But it is basically The same result, the same kind of perfectionism- but with each of them it was applied in slightly different ways. Actually, I can't express how much I have loved both of these actresses. I really do love them, and I feel quite a lot of affection toward both of them. I wish I could have met them. Somebody else intimated that I vilified Miss Crawford and deified Miss Davis. Absolutely not, I deify both of them, I love these actresses, I love these women. And I love their films, even The ones considered "bad", even Miss Crawford's very last film "Trog", I absolutely love that movie and I thought she was great in it. And I'll tell you this, I saw that film with my dad in the theater, and he loved it (and her) too. When it comes down to it, Davis and Crawford, two sides of the same coin. They can never be separated.  (Jul 5, 2015 | post #11)

Bette Davis

Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford

Oh, well I never said I disliked Joan, but that her attempts to create some kind of competitive atmosphere between herself and Miss D was kind of silly. Joan Crawford, and I do think she was a good actress, simply was not as good as Bette Davis - Davis having been crowned "Queen of Hollywood" not once but twice in a row. Also, the whole story about Crawface ruining Davis' chances at that third Oscar, is verifiable not only in Miss D's own book, but several TCM interviewees have told that same story, and some of those good fiends with Crawfish. Just because I use those name does not make mean I dislike Crawford either, I liked her in some ways and I disliked her in others, and if her adopted daughter is to be believed, Joan Never should have adopted, ever. And for some reason, I believe Christine's account of a malfunctioning Crawford household. Anyone only has to watch the decade of Great films from 1930 to 1940, Davis plays several over the top roles and shoves her performances down your throat, whereas Crawford, while being in a few good films, the best ones "Rain" and "The Women" - just kind of floated through that decade. Now she came of age in Mildred Pierce, which was VERY good, but after that film she just kind of slid into mediocrity. Her "western " Jonny Guitar, well she could have HAD that film, but let Mercedes Cambridge totally steal it from her - Cambridge had NO problem filming on Location, whereas most of Crawford's scenes are ALL studio shoots, even the "outside " scenes. I liked Joan, I actually feel for her, and I saw her once being interviewed, and she was totally without Make-up and looked good, this was when she was older, and I LIKED that person, she just looked tired, and I felt a kind of compassion for her at that point. If I had known her, I am sure I would have been friends with her, but Davis, I would be afraid to even approach. But Crawford appeared to be approachable and from what I understand used to be very approachable in the late 20's and early 30's - And she looked the best in the very early 30's - I liked her hair when it was more straight, and she used to be tan more in the 30's - Later she always appeared to be sheet-white in those late 40's films and early 50's ones. Now Davis, allowed herself to age after doing "All About Eve" and she did it gracefully, playing a cabbies wife, and took to the older roles, you'll see that Davis was always working working working, and Joan did work at that period, but only in B-films. She was good in Sweet November, that was the last A-Movie of the 50's I think... Not sure when that film was made, and then nothing until "Whatever happened to Baby Jane" - And she was actually VERY good in that - In THAT film I despise Bette and I want Joan to get loose so badly! Now there are stories that the two actresses tortured each other during shooting, but kept smiley faces on for publicity shots. Man I had forgotten all about this, yes I probably was more bitter about Crawford when I wrote that first thing, but then I saw that interview where she had no makeup and looked like a normal person, and I liked that person. But I don't revoke anything I said in any previous commentary! A-Haha!  (Dec 17, 2010 | post #6)

Bette Davis

All about Christine

That was a typo btw!  (Mar 10, 2008 | post #3)

Bette Davis

All about Christine

What is... Margo Channing or Shtistine Ebersole? :p  (Mar 10, 2008 | post #2)

Bette Davis

Tom Gregory: WWJD?

I had heard that Walter Houston did not get along at all with Crawford in Rain. Actually, I like Crawford's "Rain" much better than the Rita Hayworth remake ("Miss Sadie Thompson"). Of all the Walter Houston roles, this one was his most wooden. Also, it was probably a characteristic of W Somerset Maugham to overbloat certain actions from his character creations. In Rain, Houston uses his religious and political influence to drive Crawford into a corner. Crawford is left with no choice than to seek a real religious experience. This is denied her by Houston, who starts out to mentor the poor girl and for the most part she accepts that he is sincere- Only to be betrayed by him when he allows himself to be overcome with momentary, what would the word be, certainly not lust, but a kind of madness, to which he repents and kills himself. First off, I find the Houston character beyond my belief, I don't believe he is actually any kind of spiritual person, just a religious and political reprobate who uses religion like soldiers use machine guns and to much the same result. I do not know if that was the way Maugham wrote it, or if Maugham's writing was ripped to bits by numerous Hollywood rewrites. Myself, I do not believe Houston, I do not believe any of his platitudes, and I also do not believe that ANY man would acquire this madness I speak of - For Joan Crawford or any character she portrays. However, if Rain is considered as Joan pretending to be someone she is not in the first place, and that is how I accept her in the character, then, I believe HER role as Sadie: However, Houston's subsequent insane actions still make no sense. In the later "Ms Sadie Thompson" this is reversed, I wholly believe that the character portrayed by Rita Hayworth would and could cause a man of the cloth to be overcome with madness, even temporary (In both films this is suggested by the "Alfred Davidson" character not being able to live up to that he had tried to do to Sadie Thompson) and commit suicide. - I clearly do NOT see any man doing that over Joan Crawford or the Sadie played by Joan. Over Rita, yes. On the other hand, in The Women, I wholly am compelled to believe that Crawford would connive in the way she did to steal Norma Shearer's husband- And unfortunately this is the public and private image of Joan Crawford that became popular.  (Mar 10, 2008 | post #2)