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Fairhope, AL

I like Foley

At least the old town section. I brought my daughter up with Saturdays at the Rexall soda fountain. The expanded section is not much different than any-town sprawl USA, feeling out toward the outlet mall, but I still don't see anything wrong with it. I like Fairhope better, not on two major highways but lots to do, but that's why my home is downtown for the past 25 years. I remember Orange Beach (pre Frederick) as just a fishing marina and a place to charter deep sea fishing boats, quite a change over 35 years. So is this Topix a place to insult each other's towns?  (Apr 27, 2014 | post #1)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

Don't resort to insults. This was to show that you can debate an opinion without resorting to personal insults GHaB. Yes I knew exactly where I was going with the discussion from the start and GMaB realized it too about midway through, but he/she didn't get personal till the very end, and that was pretty tame, almost right out of the blog handbook for the match concede. Most of our parents socialized with people of different POVs at clubs and BBQs. That is lacking today (probably due to a lifetime of custom tailored TV since the Baby Boom telling you exactly what you want to hear) as many people just flock with birds of their feather, despising the other team as thieving idiots. The danger of doing that is that you never have your opinions intelligently challenged to make you take a moment and walk around in the other man's skin, to use a To Kill a Mockingbird reference. No challenger you respect = you think what you feel must be always right 100%. To use another: Scout (defending her use of the n word): ....“ ’s what everybody else at school says.” Atticus: “From now on it’ll be everybody less one.”  (Apr 27, 2014 | post #31)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

I hear only crickets.... ....Was it something I said ?  (Apr 26, 2014 | post #27)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

Fair enough I assume a major politician pandering to Southern voters with words like these, would turn your stomach and make you automatically oppose him and reject his agenda? “We do what we do because God is with us.” he “felt a beckoning and accepted Jesus Christ into [his] life” "I believe in the power of prayer" and he describes himself to voters in print and verbally as "A committed Christian!"  (Apr 22, 2014 | post #26)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

Thus if they are in business A they Should Not do that and should get into activity B. A = a; B = b; A <> B: therefore A <> b. Sentential/Proposi tional Logic. Oh that southern university training comes in handy sometimes. See I did use it in real life. Those are fair personal opinions, but just personal opinions. My 1st post listed those that do not subscribe to your opinion by their actions, including Pres. Obama. Odd you don't reference actors, politicians and celebrities that are in Business X but want you to know their intense opinions and beliefs on activity Y. If so, you would not watch, read or enjoy anything as their commercials (or the treasury) pay for the personal opinions of those celebrities and your participation pays the bill. Again, nobody wins or loses a discussion. The best it can do is cause introspection and entertain the viewer, as it apparently is.  (Apr 22, 2014 | post #23)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

No you said they "should" not, and they were bothering you with their beliefs, then TheTruth (from GA) answered that with why are you bothering others with yours, then you moved the subject along, back to the editorial slant of the article you referenced in "quotes" in your 1st post which came from a clickbait "news" article which I read before responding. That was the real intent of your post, a reaction to that article in Oklahoma. That's cool, but you did say THEY SHOULD NOT, which was a personal revelation w/ no foundation supplied. No problems with frank discussion. It is how we work out society civilly. I give you time to introduce evidence to support your assertion, and then if I find a flaw I counter and impeach the evidence presented. If I find strength in the evidence, I support it. Nobody wins, nobody loses, we just grow as rational beings.  (Apr 22, 2014 | post #21)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

Off topic but somewhat related: I'd like there to be no formal political parties. James Madison said the same almost 230 years ago. I, like him, believe political parties rob the people of real choice, destroy the ability of any small candidate to succeed, taint the election process, fraternalize the process, dumb down the people to mantras, manage the elections before any general election by their private primary process and closed room deals, bring out of state money regularly into local elections, continue to manipulate the office holder in office, help selected candidates legally redirect massive campaign chests to their personal benefit after the election is over (and there's still a massive surplus) money that dwarfs their actual public salary. However, parties are inevitable in the popular election process in the UK, USA, Canada, etc... It is also inevitable that you'll end up with 2 strong long term parties whether you have a parliamentary or congressional government. To scream that it shouldn't be so would make me ineffective and silly. Madison eventually joined a party to survive in politics. To live in society, you must occasionally tolerate the will of the majority.  (Apr 22, 2014 | post #18)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

I didn't say I (me, myself) had a problem with any of it. Y O U said Y O U had a problem with it and made an absolute statement so you must ask yourself that true/false question. Don't answer it publicly, as it is a hot rhetorical question, but ask yourself and introspect. Women & Men of many opinions, professions and vocations participate in We the People of governing ourselves. Some often try to discount people as they shouldn't say X or these people shouldn't be allowed to run (vote, hold office, participate in schools, teach, speak, etc...) when in reality it is just that we don't like what they are saying. Everyone has a right to participate in society. No a religion didn't tell me to say that. In fact I doubt if the CEO of HL consulted the majority of Christians and Jews to do what he wants to do. How could he, there is no single religious organization to check with & I truly doubt if he ever spoke with the biggest single one.  (Apr 22, 2014 | post #17)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

So that leaves you with a True/False question on your liberty exam: For you personally feel: Rev King should not have used the DC Mall to make his dream speech, at public expense on public land, and Rev King should not be honored in that same mall at public expense with statuary, and Dr King, a Baptist Minister, should NOT have a Federally recognized legal holiday commemorating his birth and accomplishments because he used religious argument in all of those actions and his entire public career. TRUE or FALSE This is not to bait you or upset you, but you were taking such a stand in your earlier statement.and therefore will you take the full formal stand. I personally would hope that you would not, but that is just a hope. Good luck and good night.  (Apr 21, 2014 | post #15)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

The whole religion clause from Amendment 1 is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Which occasionally becomes a Catch-22. Do not allow someone to freely exercise-- you break the law. Include free exercise in certain public venues-- you can be seen as establishing a state religion-- you break the law. (Oh BTW Congress, the Executive Mansion, the Supreme Court and the military branches seem to be exempt from these "public square" laws, as all three have Judio-Christian slogans and oaths chiseled into the walls, start sessions with clergy lead prayer and employ ministry on site) Often one side or the other of these discussions cherry picks what they like in the Bill of Rights amendment paragraphs, and seldom read the WHOLE thing. They cherry pick a talking point slogan to the point they forget the other wording is even there. But to your point. YES if you make exception in your absolute statement for one man, like Rev King, then you've made exception for all. You can't just make exceptions for entities that you agree with. That's why the ACLU defends skinheads' & Nazis' right to petition and march in places others have been allowed to-- even though the ACLU hates skinheads. The rest of amendment 1 says " or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." The founders were wordsmiths. This language was very-very carefully selected and is not couched in legalese or juris-Latin. They were wiser than many give them credit for, and they wanted the plain man anywhere to fully understand them. You know I will discuss process, not whether I like someone or not.  (Apr 21, 2014 | post #14)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

You must not have actually listened to his speeches (plus he was an ordained minister). He constantly used religion, the bible, sermons and theological references to attain what he wanted, and what he wanted he considered good practice of religion. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference was and is still active in politics, the civil service and private business. Often people who state "no religion in politics or in the public site at all" or "ministers should be excluded from politics" conveniently omit Dr King and the SCL for two reasons: 1) They supported the efforts or intent 2) They don't want to seem racist but it is a double standard, thus take care making absolute statements, as our English teachers warned us in high school. Absolute statements of EVERY type are ALWAYS a logical trap (including this one) ;)  (Apr 21, 2014 | post #12)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

Should that have applied to Dr Martin Luther King?  (Apr 21, 2014 | post #7)

Fairhope, AL

Hobby Lobby Church of Foley

I take it you followed the click bait to the Oklahoma story. Well at least that's news, and I'm glad to see people read news instead of gossip. Many many professionals don't keep their religion or atheism out of their business. When Neil deGrasse Tyson produces a public course in astrophysics (or drifts into biology or other science, but he is an astrophysicist, not a comparative anatomist, he laces every lecture heavily with personal religious (anti-religious) views. The president doesn't keep it out of his business. Nor the PM of the UK. Your senators don't keep it out of theirs, despite the personal views of voters (or because of it). Ellen deGeneres doesn't keep it out of her's, nor does Rosie O'Donnell and they have farther reaching arms than Hobby Lobby. It wouldn't be my tack, but the CEO of HL has a lot of company on both the left and the right sides of the aisle.  (Apr 21, 2014 | post #5)

Fairhope, AL

Civility is Civilized

Discuss news topic as strongly as you wish, just don't call each other baseless ugly names.  (Apr 17, 2014 | post #6)

Fairhope, AL

Civility is Civilized

Folks. You can disagree on any topic w/o having to HATE each other and slander each other. Those slurs back and forth don't help strengthen your argument, in fact the reverse. I know the TV (British style nasty news) and radio shock jocks have convinced many that's the way to be, but we weren't like that back in the 80s and before. President Reagan didn't do that, Tip O'Neil didn't, even Nixon and Kennedy didn't do that in public. They tried to act as gentlemen. Strong opinions, but gentlemen. How'd we get so tawdry? Sports metaphors maybe? Step back and look at your past posts. Would you say that when you Mom or minister was sitting next to you. Debate is good, we can all learn things and there are silent viewers making up their minds by watching and reading as you debate. They just stare at the mangled bodies when you guys start calling each other nasty names with sick curiosity.  (Apr 16, 2014 | post #1)