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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

shiva means "the auspicious one" in sanskrit...auspici ous means "mangalakaram " in tamil and "mangala " in sanskrit...usually tamil gives direct meaning while sanskrit gives indirect meaning...vishnu means "found every where" in sanskrit while in tamil it means  vinnavan(vinnu- >vitnu->vish nu) ie he who is the space that spreads every where...same way mangala in sanskrit indirectly refers to red colour...mangalawa ra is tuesday denoting red planet mars...mangalawara in tamil means "sevvaai " which is also red...red coloured kungumam(kumkum) and fire is considered as auspicious...aruna chalam is one of the name of sivan means the red mountain which came after when sivan appears as a fire mountain infront of vishnu and brahma as per thiruvannamalai history and siva puranam...and equating sivan to red skin is not merely to whoever looks red with reference to wikipedia is not exactly true since anybody can edit this,sivan is not merely a red skin god but a flame god,red fair skin denotes when sivan tooks human form as somasundharar as the ruler of madurai...even a black african or a white caucasian's face turns reddish when he is in angry it is because of the increasing flow of blood...so red here not denotes the skin but the blood that makes the skin looking reddish which denotes rudra a form of sivan,routhram in sanskrit and uruthiram in tamil is getting reddish or angry...uthiram(ur uthiram,uruthiran, rudran) all are refering to blood means raktha in sanskrit and raththam,uthiram,k uruthi in tamil...the hidden blood of our body is similar to the hidden fire of earth,so our face turning red because of angry is similar to emission of the fire in form of lava from earth when it gets angry...ancient tamil siththars through kundalini awakening has the ability to see their inner body which are all reddish because of the blood flow...they sings as "andamae pindam ,pindamae andam"(univer se is the body and body is the universe)...so going towards inner core of body(residence of god) is similar to going beyond universe in search of god...they usually say "sarvam sivamayam" means everything looking red(sivan) is nothing but the one they see inside the body while they travelling inside the body(to understand this better put your fingers in above a glowing torch light in night time)...and further going interior to the body they see the atma looking bright(jyothi in sanskrit and sudar in tamil) which denotes sivan...this is why sivan is called kadavul(god) in tamil(kada-crossin g, vul-inside, the one who is beyond everything and crossed everything but resides inside the body)...kambar while refering to the birth of tamil gives a clear picture about sivan in his raamaavathaaram(ra mayana) "thazhal purai sudar kadavul thandha thamizh"...th azhal-fire(rudra), purai-uncovering,s udar-reddish upper part of flame,kadavul-god, thandha-giving...m eans tamil was given by the god who is the red flame seen by uncovering the fire (similar to uncovering a banana fruit)...soodamani nikandu a 10th century tamil dictionary gives one of the name of sivan as sentheevannan(redd ish fire coloured)  (Dec 27, 2013 | post #1810)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

narayana iyengar who lived in 1938 wrote a book called "vaanmeegarum thamizhum" gives similarities between ramayana valmiki and sangam tamil siththar vanmeeki...both of the their verses, usage of words are similar... http://tashindu.bl ogspot.com/2006/12 /valmiki-and-tamil .html?m=1b narada who asked valmiki to chant as maraa maraa which is the name of the tree near to him since he cant pronunce "raama". ..maraa is the another tamil name for the tree "aachchaa "(ebony tree) which is native to southern india and srilanka... valmiki is also one of the 18 tamil siththars...and the devi you have mentioned is not parvati but mahalakshmi...most of the tamil siththars who talked about sivan also gaves importance to sakthi also but they have never referred sakthi as a wife of sivan but a power of sivan who later seen as a wife of sivan...this is why it is believed as tamil siththars talked only about sivan but they indirectly mentioned also sakthi...  (Dec 18, 2013 | post #1783)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

nila suktam talks about the goddess nila or neela devi or the water goddess one of the three consorts of vishnu... http://en.m.wikipe dia.org/wiki/Nila_ Devi neela means water in tamil root word is neeluthal(stretchi ng) since water has the ability of stretching,neelu means water in telugu also,this word is particularly famous in pandyan kingdom...here la in nee"la" should be the small la which we use to denote "palli" in tamil ie school...(there is no proper word in devanagari to show difference between la and lha..).vishnu gives his heart to lakshmi for residing,bhu devi formed from the thigh of mahavishnu whereas nila devi is entirely filled in vishnu's body this is why his colour is depicted as blue, this is like sivan's arthanareeswara form including siva in right sakthi in left...as per tamil vaisnavites vishnu is the atma representing spiritual world in a human body, sridevi or lakshmi is the mental energy or swarkaloga representing mind...niladevi is the vital energy or bhuvarloga representing the senses,movable bloods,sensory nerves...bhudevi is the physical energy or bhuloka reperesenting stable hard parts of a human body like skeleton...so a human to realise the atma he should use his powers sri,nila and bhudevi residing in his body...this is the reason why in every tamil vaishnavite temples the priests asks the visitors to see first the "thaayaar "(goddess) before seeing vishnu...among the 7 chakras of human body vishnu represents swadhistaanam associated with the panjabootha 'water' which is responsible for human's emotions sexual desires and reproduction...bef ore the creation of planets and other living things this entire universe will be filled with water and narayana in a small baby form resides in a banyan leaf floats in that water(niladevi) as per below picture... http://t3.gstatic. com/images?q=tbn:A Nd9GcSjZUGcei7zx2I ywd4Tk6xEf8-VSauLT xb57hdr6UXTQrul6dG wrCnLkgXn This is similar to a sperm travelling in a liquid...since vishnu is the only male or paramathma as per vaishnavism...so whatever happens inside a human body happens in universe also this is why a tamil siththar sings as andamae pindam,pindamae andam(universe is the body and body is the universe) nila devi is the consort of narayana(krishna's previous form) and this why krishna is often seen as a lover of cows that delivers milk products, stealing butter a product of milk and defeating seven bulls(jallikkattu) to marry the cowherd girl nappinnai(radha) which are all representing narayana's affection towards nila devi... http://jayasreesar anathan.blogspot.c om/2008/01/secrets -in-thiruppavai-se cret-4.html?m=1 the only temple where vishnu is seen with sri,bhu,nila devi is in thiruthangal near sivakasi in pandiyan kingdom http://temple.dina malar.com/New.php? id=687 http://kumbakonamt emples.in/ninra-na rayanan-temple-–-t hiru-thangal.html this too i know because i lived in that place...but this temple is very famous among n.indians watched many times numerous n.indians visited here but not recognition like srirangam and thirupathi  (Dec 5, 2013 | post #1729)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

so for you tamils are demons?...and they came to nalanda to study sanskrit?...ok i think you seems to a master in sanskrit's vedas,puranas,upanishads,ithihasas since we came from distant south whereas you people have sanskrit knowledge as sea level and bathing in that sea...can you answer this pls i have already asked this to another one guy in this forum but he didnt reply hope u ll reply me...what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...  (Dec 3, 2013 | post #1724)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

i request to read the below article published in keetru to all tamils in this forum who blindly believe whatever told by dravidar kazhakam,dmk,admk who are the main reason to make the entire non tamil indians to hate tamil people and make them to see tamils as inferior,language chauvinists,anti indians,untouchabl e persons..i think google translator will help to non tamil indians... http://www.keetru. com/index.php?opti on=com_content &view=article &id=14141:2011 -04-15-04-32-34 &catid=1289:20 11&Itemid=548  (Dec 3, 2013 | post #1723)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

oldest text is rigveda means written in which script?...sanskrit is the only language among the world's 6 classical languages which doesnt have a written script of its own dependent on other indian languages...not only sanskrit can be written in devanagari but also in tamil script...there are lot of words in tamil to denote vedic sanskrit pronounciations which the later devanagari doesnt have...the very first word in rig veda should be pronounced as "Agnimizhe "...is there any letters in devanagari script to pronounce "zha", "zhe" sound...only tamil script have letters for pronouncing three different sounds like la,lha,zha and only the tamil,malayali peoples could pronounce zha sound...similarly there are lot of words in vedic sanskrit using the pronounciation "i"...to denote this word tamil has one vowel "i" ie.ah,aah,eh,eeh,u h,uuh,aeh,aaeh,I,o h,ooh,ouh and even english also have the vowel a,e,I,o,u...but there is no vowel like I in devanagari...so, many of the root tamil or vedic sanskrit words are spelled differently in devanagari because of the lack of the vowel "i" in devanagari eg. durgai-> durga, gangai->ganga, madhurai->madhu ra,seethai->see tha,geethai->ge etha, midhilai->midhi la...for denoting male and female names tamil usually uses 'n' for male and 'i' while ending a letter for eg.siva'n',rama'n' ,krushna'n' for male and durga'i',seetha'i' ,raadha'i' for female same way if we translate this in devanagari it will be shiva,raam,krushna ,durga,seetha,raad ha...so both male female names end with "ah" vowel...draupathi' s one of the names is krushnai since she is also black coloured like krushnan(root word is karu->kru in tamil means black,so if the vowel is taken from the tamil verb karu it will become sanskrit noun kru)but in devanagari because of the lack of the vowel "i" krushnai will be called as krushna...so the male krushnan and female krushnai are both denoted by the word krushna in devanagari which has no diffence for male and female...so it is questionable that even if rig veda is the oldest written text in world what is the script used to write that text, tamil or devanagari?...both english and tamil have the vowel "I" and root script of english should be born from the sanskrit written in tamil script rather than the devanagari version...of course one can say tamil letters doesnt have ga,gha, ba,bha, sounds which the devanagari have...but it is also not true...tamil has one unique letter called "ak" which is neither vowel nor consonant denoted by three points...tamil vowels or soul letters like ah,aah,eh,eeh,uh,u uh,aeh,aaeh,i,oh,o oh,ouh are female or sakthi forms...consonants or body letters like k,ng,ch,nj,t,n,th, nh,p,m,yy,r,lh,v,z h,l,rh,nn are male or sivan form...with out the soul letter or sakthi, words cant be formed just with body letters or sivan...this is the one representing the below picture...http://w ww.artoflegendindi a.com/images/detai led/pbabc034_godde ss_kali_and_lord_s hiva.jpgthis is similar to the planetary bodies of the universe(body letters) and the force that runs the universe(soul letters)...the word "ak" is neither male nor female which is the lingam form which is neither male nor female...the proper usage of ak before and after the consonants and vowels will give over 51 sanskrit letters in tamil which are mostly not in devanagari that includes also the ga,gha,ba,bha,da,d ha sounds...these 51 letters were used by thirumoolar a tamil siththar in his songs...http://ast rologicalscience.b logspot.com/2011/1 0/significance-of- letters.html?m=1th is usage of "ak" is more among ancient tamil peoples but less in present...  (Nov 23, 2013 | post #1683)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

you fool please read the history...when srilanka was an ally of india? it is always an enemy to india...pakistan is a visible enemy but srilanka is an invisible enemy...in all the indo-pak war srilanka always supported pakistan...srilank a is not a big country to scare it is as tiny as tamilnadu...but what our beloved rulers doing? begging lankans not to join with china...no country indian sub continent can do anything against india since it is a nuclear nation...chinese well known that if they increase their influence in srilanka, india also could increase its influence in taiwan, south china sea but now they have built port in hambantota because there is no strong rulers ..we have the nuclear ballistic missiles to destroy beijing in few minutes then why should get fear about a tiny nation not even a size of our big states...only after 2009 ie the downfall of ltte chinese influence is more in srilanka...ltte is always a guard for india while from the beginning of srilankan independence srilanka never a trust worthy country for india...but as far as today even srilanka could attack india because of the spineless congress rule which was selected by northies like you...the tears and bloodsheds of srilankan tamils and the pain they have will happen to you also in few years then you will know their pain when srilankans,chinese and pakistanis attack you because of the weak congress rule selected by you...only because of "tamil terrorist" like abdul kalam who is the main reason for making india a military super power you are all still surviving...instea d of making tamilnadu a separate land try to remove the spineless congress rule...for tamilnadu there is no pblm even it will survive if it is free from india...but that is not we are expecting...  (Nov 12, 2013 | post #1632)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

//There was no divide of north and south earlier as it is now. // it will be north south divide only if the debate is tamil vs hindi...tamils protested against hindi only not sanskrit if they opposed it there will be no sanskrit chanted in tamil temples where as hindi used in north indian temples...if you review my previous comments i have never supported aryan-dravidian theory...whenever we are talking about tamil you people show an image as if though we are against north indians...even though we opposed hindi imposition we never played a regional politics against north indians like marathi's raj thackeray or karnataka's kannada rakshana vedhikae.North indians make an image as if though hindi is a complete spoken language form of sanskrit but in reality tamil is the only language preserves sanskrit words(eg. rama is called as raman in tamil,rama in sanskrit but it is shrinken in hindi like ram.The beauty of this word is the ra(naRAyana) and ma(naMAsivayam) this is how hindi is killing hinduism).Indian government is digging in western gujrat for finding dwaraka but never look at tamil's request like kavada puram and poombuhar(place associated with muchunkda and indra) and if we ask top do this research also we got the name language chauvunists...when cities like asthinapuram,'ayot hiya'pattnam,'midh ilai'patti,'magath a'i,saethi,kodumud i(matsya),'madura' i,'panchala'nguric hi,kavaadapuram(ma y be dwaraka) have connections with mahabharatha ramayana indian government should do archaelogic researches in this place also...  //one more thing if you dont like to be named with sindhu people who resides far in north then ok you would not like to worship even shiva who is meant to be kailasa and river ganga too is in that part of India.// So if we are not near in sindhu valley region and far behind from kailash, and ganga we cant worship sivan or we are not supposed to worship? fyi while india has 300000 lakh mosques tamil nadu is the only region in world has 40000 temples which is the only region has temples for all indhu gods...saivite's principal temple is chidambaram not from sindhu valley, cern in switzerland installed the natarajar idol which is not from sindhu valley but from chidambaram...vish nu's principal temple is also from srirangam not from sindhu valley...even before emergence of himalayas our sathuragiri and thiruvannamalai was worshipped...as per siva puranam sivan becomes a fire lingam infront of brahma and vishnu which becames thiruvannamalai(ar unachalam- red mountain which later named to east indian state arunachal pradesh)...sathura giri was considered as kayilaayam(kailash ) later have the name dakshina kailash after himalayas emerged from sea...this is why himalayas is ice mountain...as per continent drift theory if a land plate submerged in one side it will emerge at other side...still no body coudlnt find the exact date of kumarikandam submergence...the age of himalayas must be the age of the submergence of kumarikandam.  (Oct 14, 2013 | post #1581)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

Shruti: //all kings of south and some rajput clan belong to angnivansham as per puranas// satyavratha as mentioned as dravideswaran in srimad bhagavatham is the king ruled malaya mountains of malaya later born as vaivacchuthan in present manvantra...chola ancestory is from sun-vaivacchudhan- itchavagu and goes on...pandiyan dynasty is from chandra-budhan-pur uruvan and goes on...chera dynasty is not a continous lineage like chola,pandiyas...i t is ruled by many kings but collectively known as cheras...prahalaad han,virochanan,mah abali,vaanan are cheras but they are depicted as asuras...praha "laadhan ", nedunchera"la adhan", are all chera names,brigu lineage kings and also vyasar->dhrudhu rastra,paandu-> kauravas,pandavas were also cheras later became pallavas this why pallavas built temples dedicated to pandavas,mahabali, vamana,narasimma.. .pandyans dominated western bharatham(greek,ro man,persia,egypt-e gyptians believe they came from puntu which is a kingdom lies south east to egypt and in india also they gives rise to some dynasties like nayaks,vijayanagar as,mauryan kingdom-there is some beleif that mauryans came from ukra pandiyan son of the god somasundarar and meenatchi,),cheran s dominated northern bharath (pakistan,afghanis tan(has a name vanchi which is capital of chera,khmer),north india)...cholas dominated eastern bharatham ie south east asia their counter part kings in india are chalukyas,gangavat hi kings...this is why there is also one ayuttaya in s.e asia,ramayana became famous in s.e only bcoz of cholas...  (Oct 14, 2013 | post #1580)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

is sivan named by persians? vishnu named by persians? brahma named by persians? do we call our god as alla instead of sivan? since persians named us hindus...if any body doesnt pronounce your name will you change your name for their convenience?...per sians cant pronounce "s" so they replace with "h" right, now we are not in persian's rule you can pronounce "s" so why you cant tell you are a sindhu...india was a nation after 1947 but it was indian continent before british and mughal's rule, so you cant say the people of federal chera,chola,pandiy a,chalukya,kakatya peoples are all sindhu valley people which is in thousand km in north...even before persian's arrival the sea in south is called as indhu maa kadal or indhu maha samuthiram later called as indian ocean.. when ancient tamils named many of world places like mesha lagnam(mexico), kaethumalai(guatem ala),athalam (atlantis),kasiyap ar(caspian sea) ,romapuri(rome- >italy),graekka m(gree­ k->greece),para seegam(persia),ara bu (arabia),maalai theevu(maldives),e ezham(ilangai-> srilanka),indhu(in dhiya->india,in dhiyan->indian) ,cheenam(china),in dhu- cheenam(indo-china ),mandharai(mandar in),singapoor(sing am+oor- singapore-lion city, named by pallavas since pallava's kula devata is narasimma),kadaram (malaya->malays ia),porunai(brunei ) how come an indian will use a name given by the people who are civilized thousands of years later than indians?...tamils never use the word hindu instead they use indhu...as i mentioned earlier tamil soul letters will not be used in sanskrit naming conversion...eg.'i 'malayam->'hi'm alaya,'i'mavaan- >'hi'mavaan...' i'ranyatchan->' hi'ranyaksha,'a'ri yanai-'ha'riyana- >'a'rithuvaaram ->'ha'ridwar(ab ode of hari) like wise indhu->hindhu.. .indhu means moon as well as amirtha...half moon in sivan's head is related to amirdha as per saiva siddhandham, in human body this word indhu denotes the cerebrospinal fluid surrounding the pineal gland(third eye which is the gateway to spiritual world from material world)...madhu(ami rtha),madhi(moon) which have same wordings...arunagi rinathar a tamil poet used the word indhu in one of his songs ko ena muzhangu sankozhi vindhu naatham koodiya mugappil INDHUvaana AMUDHAthai undu oru kodi nadanap padham kaana endru saervan which means he will see the cosmic dance of sivan once he tasted the amirdha(indhu) in his head...as per tamil siththars songs we could learn that the by raising the kundalini sakthi through the chakras moolaadhaaram(mool adhara-earth),suwa athittaanam(swadhi stana-water),manip pooragam(manipoora ha-fire),anaakadha m(anahata-air),vis udhdhi (visudhi-space) which is the last stage of material world and when it raised to aakinai(ajna) the csf fluid becomes amirdha gives vision to the third eye and the human soul liberated from birth by entering to spiritual world by breaking the head through thuriyam(sahasrara -spiritual world)...so here indhu or amirdha serves as a key to the gateway from material world to spiritual world...since this way is difficult for a normal human being idol worship came which is an indirect way to attain motcham(moksha-lib eration from birth-death cycle)...hinduism mainly preaches to liberate a soul from birth-death cycle...  (Oct 13, 2013 | post #1576)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

is sivan named by persians? vishnu named by persians? brahma named by persians? do we call our god as alla instead of sivan? since persians named us hindus...if any body doesnt pronounce your name will you change your name for their convenience?...per sians cant pronounce "s" so they replace with "h" right, now we are not in persian's rule you can pronounce "s" so why you cant tell you are a sindhu...india was a nation after 1947 but it was indian continent before british and mughal's rule, so you cant say the people of federal chera,chola,pandiy a,chalukya,kakatya peoples are all sindhu valley people which is in thousand km in north...even before persian's arrival the sea in south is called as indhu maa kadal or indhu maha samuthiram later called as indian ocean.. when ancient tamils named many of world places like mesha lagnam(mexico), kaethumalai(guatem ala),athalam (atlantis),kasiyap ar(caspian sea) ,romapuri(rome- >italy),graekka m(gree­ k->greece),para seegam(persia),ara bu (arabia),maalai theevu(maldives),e ezham(ilangai-> srilanka),indhu(in dhiya->india,in dhiyan->indian) ,cheenam(china),in dhu- cheenam(indo-china ),mandharai(mandar in),singapoor(sing am+oor- singapore-lion city, named by pallavas since pallava's kula devata is narasimma),kadaram (malaya->malays ia),porunai(brunei ) how come an indian will use a name given by the people who are civilized thousands of years later than indians?...tamils never use the word hindu instead they use indhu...as i mentioned earlier tamil soul letters will not be used in sanskrit naming conversion...eg.'i 'malayam->'hi'm alaya,'i'mavaan- >'hi'mavaan...' i'ranyatchan->' hi'ranyaksha,'a'ri yanai-'ha'riyana- >'a'rithuvaaram ->'ha'ridwar(ab ode of hari) like wise indhu->hindhu.. .indhu means moon as well as amirtha...half moon in sivan's head is related to amirdha as per saiva siddhandham, in human body this word indhu denotes the cerebrospinal fluid surrounding the pineal gland(third eye which is the gateway to spiritual world from material world)...madhu(ami rtha),madhi(moon) which have same wordings...arunagi rinathar a tamil poet used the word indhu in one of his songs ko ena muzhangu sankozhi vindhu naatham koodiya mugappil INDHUvaana AMUDHAthai undu oru kodi nadanap padham kaana endru saervan which means he will see the cosmic dance of sivan once he tasted the amirdha(indhu) in his head...as per tamil siththars songs we could learn that the by raising the kundalini sakthi through the chakras moolaadhaaram(mool adhara-earth),suwa athittaanam(swadhi stana-water),manip pooragam(manipoora ha-fire),anaakadha m(anahata-air),vis udhdhi (visudhi-space) which is the last stage of material world and when it raised to aakinai(ajna) the csf fluid becomes amirdha gives vision to the third eye and the human soul liberated from birth by entering to spiritual world by breaking the head through thuriyam(sahasrara -spiritual world)...so here indhu or amirdha serves as a key to the gateway from material world to spiritual world...since this way is difficult for a normal human being idol worship came which is an indirect way to attain motcham(moksha-lib eration from birth-death cycle)...hinduism mainly preaches to liberate a soul from birth-death cycle...this is why adhi sankarar used the word indhu(became hindu later in north india) to denote the followers of the religions saivam,vainavam,sa ktham,ganapathyam, kaumaram,sauram  (Oct 13, 2013 | post #1575)

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Which is the Oldest Indian Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil

there is a misbeleif among tamils that ramayana,and mahabharatha are just myths. because of the brainwashing dravidian politics..but in reality it is the history of three tamil dynasties, the solar(cholar) dynasty related to ramayanam and lunar(pandiyar)dyn asty, agni(cherar- pallavar) dynasty related to mahabharatham...th e copper plates unearthed from thiruvalankadu temple shows the chola ancestory from sun to the cholas of kaliyuga period eg karikalan(who built the world's oldest dam kallanai surviving till today)..when rama ruled ayothiyapatinam(ay odhya) his relation dharma varman ruled uraiyoor (present trichy)...pururuva s(­ purooruvan' generations)-iksha vagus (itchavaagu's generations) rivalry is actually the fight between pandiyas and cholas continued till kaliyuga...tholkap piam mentions the fighting techniques used by tamil kings in warfare some of those were aanirai kavarthal(aa-cow,a anirai- cattle,kavardhal-c apturing) and aanirai meettal(meettal-re storing) ...aanirai kavardhal(a king will capture the cattle field of his rivalry king inorder to challenge him to come to fight)...aanirai meettal(the king who losts the cattle field accepts the challenge comes to fight till death restores the cattle field...result of this war is either the king will die or he will restores the cattle field since cow is considered as a precious one) ...similar incident comes in mahabharatham also...once keechaka or kichaka of matsya kingdom(one of the pandyan kingdom matsya-fish)was killed by bheema(chera)... duryodhana(chera) decides to attack virata kingdom in the absence of keechakan(unknowin gl­ y keechaka was killed by bheema) so he captures the cattle field(aanirai kavardhal) of viradan in the border of matsya country(present kodumudi) ...so viradan(pandiyan) send his son uththara kumaran to restore cattle field,arjuna (reason behind chera's bow arrow flag) the charioter of uththarakumaran helps him in the war and uththarakumaran defeats kauravas and restores the cattle field (aanirai meettal)...mahabha ratha kings marriage relations wouldbe mostly between pandiyans and cheras...krishna's (pandiyan of madurai and kavadapuram ie dwaraka) sister subhadrai and durupadhan's(pandi yan of panchalankurichi) daughter panchali marrys arjuna(chera)...ut htharan's (pandiyan of kodumudi) sister marrys abhimanyu(chera).. .vaanan's(cheran) daughter ushai marrys aniruththan(pandya n) the grandson of krishna....  (Oct 11, 2013 | post #1565)