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Prove there's a god.

What I've noticed is that there are some atheists who seek out the religious so as to argue with them. They will throw out a bunch of psuedo-scientific nonsense claiming science somehow disproves the existance of a god because, I don't know, I guess it makes you feel superior. They also tend to get whiny when they run into someone who is willing to debate them on scientific grounds. Their response to that, then, is to dismiss the person for perceived religious beliefs rather than address what was actually said. It has always been interesting for me, because if I remain mute on my beliefs, atheists almost always tend to attack religious arguments I didn't make. I am someone with a science degree, who makes a living in a science field, and yet am told repeatedly about how much I hate science and how little I understand science by people who have glaring errors in their understanding of what science is and does. It is always interesting to hear someone tell me I don't understand science, have such a biased view that I cannot understand science, and yet cannot tell me one thing I have said incorrect regarding science. So, yes, I keep my personal beliefs to myself. Call it an experiment if you like. Interestingly, when dealing with atheists who seek out the religious, the results are always the same. It has always seemed interesting to me that some people choose to identify themselves by what they don't believe. It is also interesting to me that people who claim to have no religious beliefs will fervently and fanatically go after others in an attempt to spread that lack of belief. No one will seem to give me straight answers on these topics.  (Oct 21, 2011 | post #372485)

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OK everyone, one fact I do know for sure is that the dishes aren't going to do themselves. Or at least if they do I will be surprised. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised non-the-less. Take care and have a good night.  (Oct 21, 2011 | post #372478)

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And here is where I'm getting confused. I specifically said someone blurting out "God does exist" as an argument is just as hollow at least once, and I believe more times. That is why I don't understand your claim that I am coming up with multiple rules. Science doesn't agree there is no God. Science is, and must be, mute on the subjectThen that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but realize it doesn't prove nor disprove anythingBecause my personal beliefs on the matter are irrelevant, so I don't see why it is a subject of concern. I am not arguing for or against the existence of anything. I am arguing against 1. The notion that lack of evidence proves something doesn't exist. 2. That one should have to prove their beliefs to anyoneI don't knowThe argument I thought you were making was that a lack of evidence suggests that God doesn't exist, the entire point of the thread. That is what I was arguing against. Sorry if I misunderstood your argument.  (Oct 21, 2011 | post #372476)

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I'm not a physicist and really am not a chemist, though I work as a chemical analyst. I couldn't begin to guess what could have happened, assuming their claims were true.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372470)

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No, evolution being defined is what gave it a precise definition. Whether or not it is considered fact is another matter.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372469)

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I should also point out you are referring now to micro evolution rather than macro-evolution  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372468)

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Maybe. Maybe not. The fact that we are still trying to advance scientific knowledge shows that there are still things we do not know or understand. To suggest that we are capable of comprehending anything and everything (and that is what science is: the Humans ability to comprehend) is really more of an opinion than a statement of factIf you are suggesting that science can figure out anything, how could there be a distinction between attainable and unattainable goalsI didn't suggest science did or shouldSo we should stop trying to advance scientific knowledge for fear that we may get it wrong? Better to remain ignorantNo, I haven't and don't intend to. It's far too interesting to hear everyone trying to attribute religious beliefs to me to discredit me in the conversation rather than addressing what I actually say.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372467)

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Being precisely defined does not make something fact.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372463)

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Sorry I came across that way, it isn't what I meant. I thought your original statement was in response to something else I had said. I work swing shift and am currently trying to swing myself to nights for work tomorrow night, so sorry that I'm having problems keeping up with the conversationI didn't say it was, nor did I say my opinion was that there was a supernatural. My issue, and I run into this in conversations alot, is that some one will try to refute something with a hollow statement. That was all I was addressingAnd all I can do is keep explaining that I haven't said that your opinion is less valid. All I meant was that a hollow, unbacked opinion is meaningless. I have never once said that there is a supernatural. I haven't submitted my beliefs at all, nor have I claimed that anything does or doesn't exist. All I have addressed is the demand for evidence.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372461)

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Dude, you reading far more into my posts than what I saidNo, I have not once said your opinion was less worthy because it disagreed, I have said repeatedly that a hollow opinion (ie. a flat statement with nothing backing it) has no meritIn every postStating that "science does not deal in the supernatural" doesn't mean that I must believe in the supernatural.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372459)

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To say something is proven true is to say that it is an absolute truth and beyond question. There may always be information we do not currently have access to that will disprove or at the very least change our theories, so nothing in science can be an absolute truth, and therefore cannot be proven true. In other words, there could always be other variables that we are not accounting for in our models because we have not discovered them yet. The issue regarding quasi-crystals is a good example. http://www.bbc.co. uk/news/science-en vironment-15181187 Another is how the largely accepted "plum pudding" model of atoms was dis-proven. I wish I could find it, but berkley university has an excellent article on the matter. This one doesn't seem to be too bad, but I haven't read the whole thing. http://setiathome. berkeley.edu/~korp ela/astro10/handou ts/science.html I wouldn't go bucking your professor on the matter, though. Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, he controls your grade.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372455)

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Don't confuse the followers (or supposed followers) of a religion with the religion itself, past or present.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372447)

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All personal experiences are reproducible, huh? That's an interesting statement. I work as a chemical analyst. Even in the lab, we occasionally run into an instance where something happens, we get an unusual result, and it isn't reproducible (largely because we cannot track down what caused them). It happens. Sometimes, things simply aren't reproducible. In ones personal life, particularly in certain matters, many experiences are not reproducible. It is left up to ones interpretation and personal conclusion. However, the argument here is that my conclusion must be wrong because my experiences aren't reproducible. All I have argued is that this is illogical. You are assuming that I start with an answer.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372446)

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So I did. I apologize. As I've said repeatedly afterwards, I was referring to hollow opinions (I thought I had said it the first post, regardless I clarified in the second). Have you ever misspoke?  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372443)

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Prove there's a god.

I'm not sure whether you are wanting me to clarify my statement that nothing can be proven true in science, or clarify how I think it applies to the conversation. Let me know which, and I'd be happy to clarify.  (Oct 20, 2011 | post #372440)

Q & A with The Bald Guy

Hometown:

Indiana

Local Favorites:

none, really...

When I'm Not on Topix:

Target shooting, going for a drive, exercising (well, I like to say I am, anyway.)

I'm Listening To:

Creed

Read This Book:

The Illiad ~ Homer, Call of the Wild ~ Jack London, White Fang ~ Jack London, Hamlet ~ Shakespeare, Animal Farm ~ George Orwell

Favorite Things:

Motorcycles, firearms, Jeeps, and good movies (not necessarily in that order)

On My Mind:

Who knows? My mind is usually going about 900 RPM