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Easter and Eggs

So how am I not making sense?  (Apr 26, 2010 | post #13)

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Easter and Eggs

What part of my post do you not understand, Albion?  (Apr 22, 2010 | post #10)

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Cops: Wiccan listed victim as 'sacrifice' in phone

Actually, I credit the police with quite a bit of intelligence. If you think all there is of investigations is what you read in the papers, then for a lot of crimes the criminals need only be slightly more aware than a catatonic drunkard to get away with their crimes. Fortunately for us all, there's a lot more to police investigations than what is revealed in public. The police in this case could be seeking accomplices. They could, indeed, be seeking accomplices who aren't even Wiccans. Or they could have concluded that the woman acted alone, and felt no need to reveal that information just yet so not to jeopardize her prosecution. Or maybe they're hoping to keep vital info hidden so to identify any accomplices she might identify. The possibilities are endless, and only a few of them have anything at all to do with Wicca. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there it is.  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #164)

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Cops: Wiccan listed victim as 'sacrifice' in phone

Why only a handful? Honestly, that fact alone doesn't suggest any connection between the murder and the religion of the alleged murderer. Again, doesn't rule it out, but neither does it suggest itSo doubtful, in fact, that I think we can eliminate that possibility. Still, even murderers have friends and acquaintances; most of the time, these acquaintances aren't guilty of any crimes in connection with the murdererNot reported" can mean two things. It can mean a cover-up, but more likely it can mean it's just not relevant. I really don't care who has been to church (or synagogue, or mosque, etc.) with a murderer unless there's something else to that factHuh? Do you really think it's one or the other? That's just not realistic, and in fact both reactions you describe would instantly be viewed as suspicious by investigators. I imagine that there are some who are cooperating with authorities peacefully and without much mention made at all of their (the acquaintances') religious beliefs. Bear in mind that just because she's Wiccan doesn't mean all of her acquaintances are as wellI'd say that's pretty likely, actually. In the absence of other evidence, it's the explanation that makes the most senseA little less likely, but still well within the realm of possibilityEven less likely, but again still quite possible. Public rituals aren't unheard of by any means. More in a bit...  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #163)

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Cops: Wiccan listed victim as 'sacrifice' in phone

Okay, Wake Up, either you're starting to make sense, or I'm just really, really tired. ;-) I admit, when I first read your arguments up-thread, I thought you were one of these Satanic Panic nutjobs that believes that every thug with a Harry Potter book or Ozzy Osbourne album is part of a vast anti-Christian conspiracy. But reading on, you do have a point. How do we know that she isn't one of a group of loons claiming Wicca as their religion as they plotted the man's demise? Certainly the evidence here doesn't discount that possibility, even as it doesn't suggest it. That said, though, what makes you consider that possibility? In the absence of evidence to suggest otherwise, Occam's Razor would lead me to believe that this was the act of a lone psycopath.  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #158)

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Cops: Wiccan listed victim as 'sacrifice' in phone

Silk, you're only making Wake Up's point. S/He claims to be agnostic. Did you miss that? In the very same post you quoted, s/he wrote, "It'so hilarious that people are incapable of shaking the assumption that in order to question Wicca, one must be christian." Of course, having said that, I'm sure I'll be accused of being a raving anti-Pagan Christian myself. LOL!  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #157)

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Wiccan Arrested on Child Rape Charges

What rights are you talking about, CH? I question whether you really understand what rights the man, the child, or any of us have. Let's be clear about something: That this man happens to be Wiccan does not negate his rights. That he allegedly raped a child is what would negate his rights, if proven in court. We don't need to prove allegiance to your "lord" to have our rights acknowledged. Those rights are bestowed upon us all naturally, and no man can take them away from us... not even one such as you, who purport to speak in the name of God.  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #19)

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Easter and Eggs

Nifty, I'm not sure how you got that out of my post. To be honest-- and I'm not trying to be mean-- I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Let me reiterate, as I am sure I wasn't clear. There is a Christian holiday called "Pascha" in the East that we here in the West know as "Easter" . Although Western Christians have given the holiday the various trappings associated with Celtic, Germanic, and Roman celebrations of the Vernal Equinox, the holiday has been celebrated by Christians since at least the second century CE. This holiday, as originally celebrated, had nothing to do with the Vernal Equinox, and in fact has as its origins the Jewish holiday of Passover. (Pesach, which even has obvious etymological connections to Pascha.) The question of whether these pagan holidays predate Pascha, therefore, is moot. They do in fact predate Pascha, but that fact is of no consequence. Does this make sense?  (Apr 21, 2010 | post #7)

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Wiccan Arrested on Child Rape Charges

Maybe so, but if the Presbyterian in question were a church deacon, you certainly would read a headline like that. Wiccans are still a pretty rare entity. There are so few of them that one does not really find Wiccan laiety; mostly they are involved in the religion to a degree roughly on par with clergy, or at least the aforementioned church deacon. So while chances are you're right, this is thinly veiled fear mongering, there still is that chance that truly equal treatment would mean more or less the same thing.  (Apr 20, 2010 | post #15)

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Cops: Wiccan listed victim as 'sacrifice' in phone

Seriously, Stedenko? That's your answer? http://www.religio ustolerance.org/wi crede.htm Two seconds spent on a Google search. I could know absolutely NOTHING about Wicca and give you the same information just as quickly. It really is so bloody self-evident that I don't need to comment... all you need to do is shut up and read. Come now. Did you really think this would contradict anything I said? If so, you truly are dumber than you think I am.  (Apr 20, 2010 | post #136)

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Witchy 101: What Paganism is not

I dunno, Amerist, I'd just as soon be left alone, as my nation's laws guarantee me the right to be left alone when it comes to religion. I don't see why it's my duty to educate others any more than it's my legal responsibility to convert to the predominant religion. Freedom of religion means just that, and I'm free to determine what is in my own best interest, thanks.  (Apr 19, 2010 | post #6)

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Witchy 101: What Paganism is not

Gotta agree with you here, Wake Up. Sooner or later, my fellow Pagans will realize that this is not the religion of Not Christianity. I'm of the opinion that it's (er, more accurately, they are) so much more than that; Christianity ought not enter into the equation at all. But if someone wants to be a Christian and hear nothing at all of Paganism, hey, so be it. The Not Christians are the first to tell us that Pagans don't proselytize, and well, actions speak louder than words.  (Apr 19, 2010 | post #5)

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Pagans Out Of The 'Broom Closet' In Southwest Riverside C...

Fantastic! So, what will you be doing next week? Seriously, we've heard this song and dance before. Sadly, we've heard it often from the ones who formerly filled our ranks. There are some people in this world with little conviction and even less integrity, who flit around from religion to religion telling people what they think we want to hear because they crave the attention it gives them. So Born Again Christians become vehemently anti-Christian Pagans until the attention wears off, at which point they are born again... again. I confess, I was a Born Again Christian. Check that, I still am. I actually do believe in Jesus the Christ, but found as time wore on that I am, and always have been, more comfortable in Pagan settings. Nothing against Christianity; that's just me. But I have the integrity to admit this, instead of pretending that I'm the victim of some kind of strange persecution or deception in the hopes of gaining the sympathy of my co-religionists or the false bravado that comes from confronting the "other side". Some of my best friends are devout Christians, others are lifelong Pagans. I could not dishonor either of them by telling such lies about them.  (Apr 19, 2010 | post #235)

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Easter and Eggs

True enough, but what the article describes aren't the origins of Easter. They're the accoutrements; add-ons to the holiday that came after Christians had already started celebrating it. That's not to say these Pagan celebrations don't predate Christianity; but then, age is pretty much irrelevant to the matter of religion anyway, despite what Lady Sparklepants, the 19th generation reincarnated witch (who happens to be all of 14 years old) might tell you.  (Apr 19, 2010 | post #5)

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Pagan Woman Kicked Out of Christian Homeless Shelter

I hate to say it, but their building, their rules. Unless they're taking government funding, they're really under no obligation to help anyone. The woman isn't entitled to help from this church... again, assuming the church isn't taking government funding. Sorry if that sounds cold, but there it is. Besides, I gave up a long time ago expecting Christians to be, well, Christian.  (Apr 19, 2010 | post #229)