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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

They use EVERYTHING to dismiss anything else by anyone. They are circular in their argument and have NO intention of a true discourse. Going all the way through the thread- they ignore what proves them ignorant and wrong, fear based. They pat each other on the back for their use of mythology and fear- The are not going to get past the fear BECAUSE they would have to give up their own self definition of who they are, risk losing their churches, their friends- probably their families as well. As the director who left scientology said- The hardest part was realizing he spent so many years being wrong. Imagine being wrong AND a bigoted asshole? They have to face that behavior and cruelty. Not going to. Scott Peck wrote a great book (until the last part in which he lost his focus) called "People of the Lie." It was about how most people will do anything to keep their self image and imagine up to their friends. When they are mean, cruel they have to justify it somehow so they can still feel like they are good people instead of fearful and mean-spirited. So they shed the accountability of their actions and erroneous beliefs by attacking others and finger pointing to keep distraction going so they can "clean up their image" from potential tarnish.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2616)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

i don't think so- my world is little understood by most, IS an orientation which is also little understood by most. 14% of the population admittedly that is known at this time. It took me 45 years of "conversion efforts' to accept myself as i am, since it is SOOOoooo vilifiedand littl understood. However it must be ok by their standards. Right?? (-not lol) And yes it was intended to blow their minds a bit. i am well aware that they are probably more afraid of me than you. Though we are both harmless. Practice consensual activities etc. And yes i pass ALL (the only "test" (being het)they have of what is normal knowing full well this will be stumbling for them since it is something they haven't considered. Being heterosexual the magic path to acceptance..Yet... ... We have many in the GLBT and really MOSTLY hetero people in our community. Strangely (IMO) there are a few homophobic people there too. There are quite a few fundie groups involved in M/s and BDSM including Mormon, Evangelical, a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses, Baptists etc that i personally know of. A large range of occupations as well mostly professionals. Those arguments above are not "mine" but studies and evidence that refutes and disputes their "truths" which are simply circular logic to keep themselves convinced it is all a polarized them/us in a secure little niche.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2615)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized " when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities " attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant " and "loving. " 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues " may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2603)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Globally, around 11% of HIV =nfections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the =emaining proportion – around two thirds of new infectionshttp://w ww.avert.org/worls tatinfo.htm  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2601)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

http://www.google. com/url?sa=t&r ct=j&q=&es rc=s&frm=1 &source=web &cd=4&ved= 0CE0QFjAD&url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m edicalnewstoday.co m%2Farticles%2F111 663.php&ei=baU MUdiZK_L9yAHv5oHAC g&usg=AFQjCNGv nZaTggSzuNHxpEymWI hKHLvd4Q&sig2= yWBhTec1Q7mIfZB7Zi 6FRQ&bvm=bv.41 867550,d.aWc  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2599)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

http://www.time.co m/time/health/arti cle/0,8599,1815538 ,00.html  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2598)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Research by US psychologists suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings. This finding lends =cientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the =oudest against homosexuality have something to hide. The research results were published in the prestigious Journal of =bnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological =ssociation. In tests conducted by Prof. Henry E Adams of the University of =eorgia, homophobic men who said they were exclusively heterosexual were shown =ay sex videos. Four out of five became sexually aroused by the homoerotic =magery, as recorded by a penile circumference measuring device - a =lethysmograph. Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes "demonstrate =significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", suggesting =hat homophobia is a form of "latent homosexuality where persons are either =naware of or deny their homosexual urges". These findings have prompted the gay rights group OutRage! to write =o a cross-section of 20 homophobic MPs challenging them to take Prof. =dams's test to counter suggestions that their anti-gay voting record might be =vidence of repressed homosexuality  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2597)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

http://murphylibra ry.uwlax.edu/digit al/jur/2001/anehal l.pdf  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2594)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

So you believe heterosexual sex is the only normal? i think i understand you saying this repeatedly. i am heterosexual. Not bi, not heteroflexible. There are many variations of homosexuality, and heterosexuality that is "in addition to" not instead of. i find it amusing that you believe heterosexuality the ONLY norm because then YOU must consider me normal as well- despite the fact i am oriented IN ADDITION to heterosexuality to BDSM, Master -slave, am a masochist (the APA no longer sees ANY of these a problem BTW unless obsessed to the point of not being able to work, or involving nonconsent as in rape, a primarily Hetero activity if you read the papers, or maniacs like the hetero Speed Freak Killers) but i AM hetero--whew! Sexuality has many orientations and aspects, The Bible BTW has NO words against BDSM. Thought you might want to know that. Odd that it has a god that recommends raping enemy's wives and daughters though. Can't determine if Judas hanged himself or threw himself off a cliff. Some try to claim he did both--talk about rationalization!! AND FYI- the plumbing fits.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2576)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Actually you are defining and judging them by their sexuality. They are perfectly willing to live and let live. You are not.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2571)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

That is beyond absurd. Same logic as the antigun lobby. Give a law abiding citizen a gun and we're all doomed.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2569)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Kind of like the ex-heterosexuals?  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2568)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

No it is proof people are "Tourists " and try out things and may or may not have a dominant interest.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2567)

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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Sexual orientation is not about "lifestyle " Being a golf nut, a ski-bum, a shopper, a hard core sports fan, one of the "Speed Freak Killers", a drug addict, a social drinker, being rich, is about lifestyle. Orientation is about what is like it or not.  (Feb 1, 2013 | post #2563)