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Don't think so. Look up Psalms 8:5 in the Greek Septuagint. See that angels is translated from the Greek word 'aggelos.' Now read Hebrews 2:7 in the New Testament. See that angels is written in the Greek as 'aggelos.' Why is that? Because Paul quoted from the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament, not the Hebrew text. Angel was not transliterated from the Hebrew elohim. Why? Because Paul quoted from the Greek Septuagint, not the Hebrew text. Most Jehovah's Witnesses on this thread tell me that I am talking absolute garbage and making this up, but I am only repeating what their religion teaches them. Listen to the Watchtower Society: "Other writers of the second part of the Bible wrote for a worldwide audience in the international language of that time, Greek. Hence, they did not quote from the original Hebrew writings but from the Septuagint Greek version." -- The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever, WTBTS, 1984 Got it? Shall we read that again? "They did not quote from the original Hebrew writings but from the Septuagint Greek version." Paul quoted from the Greek Septuagint, not the Hebrew text. That is not my invention. That is what your Governing Body says. So why do you disagree with the Governing Body? Are you apostate? Angel was copied from the Greek Septuagint to the Greek New Testament. Simple. Greek to Greek, angel copied as angel. So your false Gnostic doctrine of millions of Gods, is based on your ignoring your Governing Body. (8 hrs ago | post #141)

concluded/..... As recently as The Watchtower of January 15, 2008, they claimed that, in the fulfilment of Isaiah 45:14, the “great crowd” of millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have to walk in shackles and chains behind the Governing Body as unpaid laborers prayerfully bowing down to the “Anointed”[i.e. Christ] from whom they obtain their salvation. "This is what Jehovah has said:--“The unpaid laborers of Egypt and the merchants of Ethiopia and the Sabeans, tall men, will themselves come over even to you, and yours they will become. Behind you they will walk; in fetters they will come over, and to you they will bow down. To you they will pray." -- Isaiah 45:14 NWT And in the Watchtower of September 15, 2010, page 23, it is written of Jehovah's Witnesses that "by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.” (10 hrs ago | post #87)

I should point out to the unwary that, according to the Watchtower Society, the throne in Revelation 3:21 is NOT Jehovah’s throne in the heavens. Therefore, I should point out to the unwary that you might mistakenly assume that Gareth/Aneirin/Dew ydd is saying that the 144,000 anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses are sitting on Jehovah’s heavenly throne with Jesus and therefore I claim that the myriads of myriads of angels around the throne, and every creature that is in heaven and on earth, are worshiping the 144,000 anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses. But you would be wrong to make that understandable mistake because, according to the Watchtower Society, the throne in Revelation 3:21 is Jesus’s own Messianic throne for when He returns to earth in His second coming to sit down as King and Judge. The Watchtower Society, write: “In another crucial year, 1914, Jesus arrived to sit down on his own Messianic throne as King and Judge. The judgment evidently began in 1918 with professed Christians. Anointed conquerors who died before that time would then be resurrected and join Jesus in his Kingdom. (1 Peter 4:17) He had promised this to them when instituting the Memorial of his death, saying to his disciples: “I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.” - Luke 22: 28-30. “What a marvelous assignment—to sit with the reigning King during “the recreation” and share with him, on the basis of his perfect sacrifice, in raising the world of obedient mankind to Edenic perfection! (Matthew 19:28; 20:28) As John informs us, Jesus makes those who conquer to be “a kingdom, priests to his God and Father,” to occupy thrones around Jehovah’s own magnificent heavenly throne. (Revelation 1:6; 4:4) Let all of us—whether of the anointed or of the new earth society that hopes to share in restoring Paradise—take to heart the words of Jesus to the Laodiceans! - 2 Peter 3:13; Acts 3:19-21. - "Revelation - Its Grand Climax At Hand!" p73, par 23,24 So, as you can see, I am not claiming that I worship the Watchtower’s 144,000 anointed class Which is unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses who do “bow down” to the anointed class. The so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave" of Jehovah’s Witnesses have claimed to be "The Christ", "The Prophet", "The Mediator", the "Everlasting Father" and "Mighty God" manifest in the flesh on earth to rule and bless the nations. You don’t believe me? I don’t blame you at all. But read the indisputable evidence here: http://thewatchtow erchrist.blogspot. com/ This was a view first prumulgated by the founder of The Watch Tower, Charles Taze Russell and a view adopted by his successor, Joseph F Rutherford, who continued to teach that "The Christ", the Saviour of the world, was made up of the 144,000 "Anointed " faithful Watch Tower followers. This "Faithful and Discreet Slave" doctrine has never been rescinded and remains firmly intact but in a more clandestine form accomplished by the Watchtower Society choosing to subtly employ the term "Anointed " rather than "Christ" . ...../continued (10 hrs ago | post #86)

Not quite accurate Gareth/Aneirin/Dew ydd, just a wee bitty of a distortion of the facts there. I haven't said they do, I have asked how that is avoided. How do millions of creatures in heaven and earth offering worship and praise to Jehovah on His celestial throne, ensure that Jesus on the same throne is made well aware that He is definitely excluded from the proceedings? According to Revelation 5:11-14, myriads of myriads of angels around the throne, and every creature that is in heaven and on earth, say that the Lamb on Jehovah's throne is worthy to receive "honor and glory and blessing," at which point the elders prostrate themselves and worship. What I asked you, for your opinion, was when people fall down on their knees and worship God the Father on the heavenly throne, how do they avoid worshiping Jesus at the same time? What practical steps do they take to avoid worshiping Jesus? For example, does their worship go something like this: "All blessing to the Father, but not to the Son" "All honor to the Father, but not to the Son" "All glory to the Father, but not to the Son" "All praise to the Father, but not to the Son" Or does God the Father ask Jesus to get off the throne before the worship starts, to avoid embarrassment. BTW Have you found a Watchtower illustration yet of Jesus on Jehovah's throne? From another angle, why would the situation in heaven be any different than that on the earth when Jesus returns in His second coming? "But when God again brings the firstborn into the inhabited earth [oikoumene], He says: 'Let all the angels of God worship Him'.” - Hebrews 1:6 Why would the angels worship the Son of God at His future second coming to the earth, but not be allowed to worship Him in heaven? Puzzling, don't you think? Slightly inconsistent perhaps? Just asking. (14 hrs ago | post #82)

You don't need to believe me on this one. All you need to do is read three Scriptures in the New World Translation of Jehovah's Witnesses and one quote from a Watchtower Society publication. You can believe them, can't you? Then ask yourself if Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus sits on Jehovah's throne in heaven. You don't need to believe anything I say, just tell us all if you believe what the Watchtower Society say. I'm sure you can manage that, if you really, really, try! (Friday | post #79)

How do we obtain eternal life, according to the bible?

Do you believe that a resurrected believer is going to have the same corrupt tendencies that he had while living in this system? Do you have an opinion? Or, even better, a Scriptural answer? Don't be a heckler all your life, let's hear some words of wisdom from you. (Friday | post #101)

How do we obtain eternal life, according to the bible?

Do you personally believe it was possible for someone who heard and believed in what Jesus said and came to Jesus for salvation - during His earthly ministry - and were saved from their sins, but then died before Jesus died - to be a member of the body of Christ? Do you have an opinion? (Friday | post #97)

My post comprises quotations from three Scriptures from the New World Translation of Jehovah's Witnesses and a quote from a Watchtower Society publication which makes clear that, according to the Watchtower Society, Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, has been sitting alongside His Father on His heavenly throne since He was resurrected. Do you not believe the Watchtower publications? All I have done is ask a simple question: When people fall down on their knees and worship God the Father on the heavenly throne, how do they avoid worshiping Jesus at the same time? So what exactly is your problem? (Friday | post #77)

How do we obtain eternal life, according to the bible?

You are still not answering the question. Let me try a fourth time. John the Baptizer prepared the way for the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. A lot of John's disciples followed Jesus. My question is, is it possible for someone who heard and believed in what Jesus said and came to Jesus for salvation - during His earthly ministry - and were saved from their sins, but then died before Jesus died - to be a member of the body of Christ? Yes or No would be good. (Friday | post #90)

And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb." - Revelation 22:1 NWT The throne (singular) of God and of the Lamb. "The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city" - Revelation 22:3 NWT The throne (singular) of God and of the Lamb. Jehovah’s Celestial Throne is “the throne of God and of the Lamb.” "In fulfillment of David’s words at Psalm 110:1, 2, the integrity-keeping Jesus, having conquered the world, was resurrected in 33 C.E. and exalted to sit down with his Father on His heavenly throne." "Revelation - Its Grand Climax At Hand!" p73, par 23 According to the Watchtower Society, Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, has been sitting alongside His Father on His heavenly throne since He was resurrected. “And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:“The Lamb that was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.” And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying:“To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” And the four living creatures went saying:“Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.”-- Revelation 5:11-14 NWT According to you, "you can not worship Jesus and worship God at the same time". So when people fall down on their knees and worship God the Father on the heavenly throne, how do they avoid worshiping Jesus at the same time? (Friday | post #73)

Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped. No, He stripped Himself of His glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant by becoming a man like other men, He humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, death on a cross." - Philippians 2:6-8 The Bible actually says He temporarily put His divine glory and Majesty on hold to become flesh and die for your sins so that you do not need to be punished for your sins. (Thursday May 23 | post #131)

Jesus, the Son of God, prays to God the Father and encourages us to do the same. That is like a son talking to his father. OK? No big deal there then. (Thursday May 23 | post #130)

Liar Where does the Bible clearly state that "Jesus is not God"? Chapter and verse please. Fat chance. The Bible clearly states: "In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with theos and the logos was theos." Got it? The Logos is theos. (Thursday May 23 | post #129)

But the eternal Logos, the divine Word of God, an integral spiritual part of the man Jesus, was not. It was the eternal Logos, the divine Word of God, the immortal creator of the universe, the One who will resurrect all the dead, that raised the body of the man Jesus, just as Jesus prophesied (Thursday May 23 | post #128)