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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

I'm pretty sure you don't get what you want. All you've been complaining about is that wages need to go up but as soon as your pushed you change your mind and say no, no I said CEO's wages have to go down. Which twice now I've said I agree with you. Then you come back with wages need to come up, then you come back with CEO's wages need to go down. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that you getting a raise would drive the prices either farther. That or the fact that you keep yelling says I may have gotten through to you and you just don't want to admit more money for us means less in the end. So you keep back peddling. It's that or you really hate when someones says they agree with you on CEO's wages.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #308)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

Exactly.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #304)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

You’re the one that doesn't seem to get this. If the working wage goes up so does the price of all products sold by the company. I'll draw you a picture. Company A manufactures a product, which they sell to company B, Company B then puts this part in their product and sells to Company C, Who sells it to you. If the working wage goes up, Company A will raise the price of their product to cover the cost, Company B will then raise their price to cover both the raise he gave his employees and also raise it to cover the increase in Company A’s product, Company C will then raise the price of their product to cover Company B increased price and its own employees raise. The product now costs way more than it did before and you are farther away from being able to buy it. Inflation went up and your dollar is worth less.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #303)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

Now you are contradicted yourself again. First you said the working wage needs to go up, then you said they need to leave the working wage alone and drive the CEO wage down but now you’re saying the working wage needs to go up. I'm telling you that will only cause more inflation driving your dollar to work harder and gain us less not more.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #298)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

but that's not what you said. I agree with you on that.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #288)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

So your whole solution is to jack up everyones wages doubling or tripling the cost of all products, there by driving the value of your dollar down even farther. I'd be more then happy to tell any CEO that. That's why I said I agree they've gotten out of hand but it's not going to help for us to get higher wages and drive the products up even more. It's an evil circle, we get paid more the products cost more, we lose more ground. Complaining about the CEO's salary isn't going to do you any good, you have 0 control over it. Sure you can raise taxes but the board will just pay them more to compensate and the price of products still goes up. In the end we pay the tax.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #284)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

Math word problem... If 20 new hires were making 10 dollars and you raised their pay to 20 dollars, how much would you have to raise the price of your product to sustain the same profit? I agree what the CEO's are making has gotten out of hand and is causing the same scenerio as above but how is jacking up our wages and the price of every product going to change the situation. From a middle class stand point we should be doing everything possible to keep inflation down, so every dollar earned goes farther. Imagine if we ever got back to dollar a gallon gasoline. I'd feel like I've got money to burn.  (Jun 1, 2012 | post #279)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

Well that was a good try but I'm in IT making 30 an hour. And I already don't get overtime pay, I'm salaried. With 4 weeks paid vacation, I do have to take PTO as sick time but considering I've only called in sick 2 days in my 15 year career it's not a big deal. Some of us don't use sick days like holidays. Add health, dental, 3 times my salary in life insurance, 401K match. Yet I didn't need a union rep to get all this for me. That's how a Wisconsin dairy farmers son earns his way. I worked my high school years in a cheese factory, to pay for my first year of college and then worked paper converting to finish out my education. Then worked 15 years of IT moving up the pay scale. When a company didn't do what I wanted I used my skills to get another job and turned down the counter offers to stay. No union needed. Your we are all going to be broke and poor rhetoric doesn't work on those of use that know the meaning of the word work.  (May 31, 2012 | post #260)

Wisconsin

Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

If you want the facts, 60% of what's on this list isn't even law. The rest the only thing the unions did was shell out their members money to politicians. Not to mention that was probably the 80th person to copy and paste the same exact statement in a thread. As for facts let's start with the first few on this list. Weekends - Not everyone has weekends off. In fact in wisconsin their is only a 1 day in 7 rule. Which allows for 24 straight hours off. So they can work you from 7:00 PM saturday and start you again at 7:00 PM sunday. No federal law or state law requires an employer to give you a break. They only state that if a break is less then 1/2 hour they must pay you for it but they don't have to give it to you. Paid Vacation - Again no law, that's between employer and employee. Yet most of us have paid vacation and aren't in unions. Guess we don't need them for this. FMLA - Yes by law an employer with more then 50 employees must give you 12 weeks of time of certain family medical. This time does not have to be paid. Made by politicians not unions. Sick Leave - A lot of people have 0 sick leave. You are required to take your PTO.  (May 31, 2012 | post #256)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

Yes and Yes.  (Apr 23, 2012 | post #97)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

So then the recalls should stop correct? Cause at the moment I'm more then fine with who the majority has choosen. You've basically just restated what I'm saying. You have to hold their feet to the fire. Having a I don't agree with it, oh well attitude isn't going to change anything for the better.  (Apr 20, 2012 | post #65)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

So you agree with me then. I'm not sure where out of my posts you got that I hated abortion, or hated contraception, or even wanted to tell anyone what to do. If you want to have sex go ahead but don't come looking to me afterwards to help you out of your consequences.  (Apr 20, 2012 | post #64)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

So you think it's bizarre that one would be against having tax dollars provide help & support to an individual but it's not bizarre to you to have tax dollars go to war and protect entire nations of people? as for "Hmmm....well , ya know, my tax dollars are going to things I don't agree with but hey, that's the way it goes". That's the entire point. It's not "well that's the way it goes", it's stop taxing me more and spending my money where I don't want it. Stop running up debt with my money funding things I don't want. Stop devaluing the dollar driving up my costs. If you had a choice in where your money goes would you donate it to the Army or Planned Parenthood? I'm guessing Planned Parenthood. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a choice instead of it being forced out of your hand and given away to an area you wouldn't support? That's what a lot of people are fighting for right now, don't raise my taxes to continue throwing it away, let me choose who and how much.  (Apr 20, 2012 | post #60)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

It has nothing to do with what they provide, I have a problem with it be provided with federal grants. You jumped to the conclusion that I'm against someone's right to decide if they want to have sex, an abortion, or use contraception. It's your life do what you will with it but if you decide to be sexual active then you better be ready to address contraception, birth, & abortion. Those that choose a different decision shouldn't fund your decision. If planned parenthood was solely taking in donations I wouldn’t care one way or another what they did. Because now each person can choose wither they are willing to donate or not.  (Apr 20, 2012 | post #57)

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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions

No, things can be rainbows and puppy's. If you choose to have them be rainbows and puppy's. Because you decide to have sex before you are ready to deal with consequences of sex, does not make life unfair or cruel. You make a decision, You deal with the consequences.  (Apr 20, 2012 | post #56)