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Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

i have asked now 4 times for proof... i really dont understand why you argue about evolution. i told you i would be very satisfied with proof of ring species. If you were to direct me to peer reviewed documents, that must exist in order to make a claim like ring species. then i would be perfectly happy. Does the evidence of ring species exist or not?  (May 11, 2013 | post #17)

Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

@ The dude. my demands are very simple. i want to be presented with evidence NOT OF EVOLUTION. but of the existence of ring species. or of the existence of a species (A) that can breed with species (B) But cannot breed with species (C) But Species (B), and species (C) can breed together. And @ the chimney i NEVER asked about the validity of evolution. my only question was as regards ring species. please stop telling how real evolution is. And show me some evidence of ring species. this topic is called "DO RING SPECIES EXIST, please provide evidence" its not called " DOES EVOLUTION EXIST" the purpose of this thread is to help find evidence of ring species. please show me papers, or reports, or scientific documents, or web articles, or anything else that would indicates the methods and experiments done to prove the existence of ring species. (or of speciation to the point of not being able to breed with same species)  (May 10, 2013 | post #15)

Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

can all those chinchlids breed with each other? AND fyi, i am definetley not religious. i said i want the truth. i ment that. Though a poor definition. i consider macroevolution a species which diverges so far, that it can no longer breed with distant members of its own species. ring speices would be one of only evidences of this. becuase there would be intermediate steps which prove that they are the same species. but then as ring ends come together, they cannot breed. i consider this to be abolsute proof of macro evolution(to my definiton) which is why i am so eager to find the reports detailing how this has been proven. The dude is right, i should catch them and try to make them breed. but for obvious reasons i cant do that. so i want to know the results of what other people have tried. This ensures that people are just making up what they believe to be the truth. but have no backing to the claims of the existance of ring species. when they did that, we ended up belive that the herring gull, black back gull could NOT breed. when in fact they could. (tho they didnt often)  (May 4, 2013 | post #11)

Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

Yes i searched thoroughly through Wikipedia (its how i learned about this phenomena) and i checked out all the references. My problem is that not one single reference indicates that the ends of any ring species mentioned, cannot breed together. All they talk about is morphology, and how much the species changes over distance. I am intersted only in whether a species can diverge enough, so as to not be able to breed with distant ancestors. I know the ends of ring species DONT breed together. but i cannot find proof that biologically they can not breed together (the sperm wont be able to fertilize the egg) Can you help me find this evidence. thanks  (Apr 29, 2013 | post #5)

Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

I have seen this video. i am well aware of the phenomena. what i fail to find tho, is the physical proof. what i mean by this is: reports, research papers, etc etc that show for a fact that strong efforts have been taken to breed the end species together. and that each step in the ring is definitely interbreed-able with the last. Even back in the 80s, it was known it was physically possible that the end species, of the herring gull, and black back gull COULD breed together, they just didnt very often http://www.surfbir ds.com/ID%20Articl es/adriaensgulls12 03.html What i want is some honest proof, that this phenomena exists.  (Apr 28, 2013 | post #3)

Evolution Debate

Do ring species exist? PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE

Hello there, i have researched the creation evolution debate extensively. After sifting through it all. i think the truth comes down to whether species can macro evolve or not. simply if a species can macro evolve. then even tho the chances are stupidly low. it would be theoretically possible for species to have all originated by chance from a primitive lifeform. Of all the evidence in the world. There seems to be just one piece of evidence that strongly supports macro evolution. and that evidence is "ring species" I have tried for a while to find the source of evidence that support ring species. however i cannot find any. i have found all the species purported to be "ring species" but i cannot find the physical proof of this. i am hoping you can help me track down it. and prove the truth either way. i would call proof the existence of the following: The existance of hybrids between all stages of the ring (except the ends, that purportedly cant breed) Proof that extensive effort has been undertaken in order to breed the ends of the ring species together. (of course man made methods of breeding them, ios fine. as long as they are not genetically modified) I am not fighting for or against evolution. i just want the truth.  (Apr 27, 2013 | post #1)

Religion

Ring species will be the smoking gun... if it exists

Hello there, i have researched the creation evolution debate extensively. After sifting through it all. i think the truth comes down to whether species can macro evolve or not. simply if a species can macro evolve. then even tho the chances are stupidly low. it would be theoretically possible for species to have all originated by chance from a primitive lifeform. Of all the evidence in the world. There seems to be just one piece of evidence that strongly supports macro evolution. and that evidence is "ring species" I have tried for a while to find the source of evidence that support ring species. however i cannot find any. i have found all the species purported to be "ring species" but i cannot find the physical proof of this. i am hoping you can help me track down it. and prove the truth either way. i would call proof the existence of the following: The existance of hybrids between all stages of the ring (except the ends, that purportedly cant breed) Proof that extensive effort has been undertaken in order to breed the ends of the ring species together. (of course man made methods is fine. as long as they are not genetically modified) or if they are completely sterile, exactly like trying to breed cats and dogs. evidecne can be given for any ring species. please reference the origianl works, and include page numbers etc This is the defining question  (Apr 27, 2013 | post #1)