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Its NOT God doing wrong

As I read through these posts , I come to an even deeper realization of the scripture... "Because of your deeds the name of God is blasphemed among the pagans." In short, who would want to serve God whose followers are so biblically illiterate and/or scripturally off-base with their beliefs? It also behooves me to recognize the hypocrisy of both sides of the debate, as your tolerance of those different from you is showing. ---- Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, body, soul, and spirit; and love your neighbor as yourself.---- This scripture is the essence of tolerance from a God that neither side of the debate seems to understand.  (Jan 24, 2012 | post #53)

Jonesboro, AR

Hytrol employee "sound off page"

Lol... Someday, every one there will get the backbone to stand up for their rights. I used to work there. I really loved the people I worked with. The policies are horrible. Until the employees decide to band together, they will always be ran over. Profit over people is the norm these days. Our grandparents stood up for their rights and earned a better quality of living. We have let it go back to the days of the railroad. Make no mistake... you are losing your rights b/c you fail to stand up for them. They are already in place, you just have to get others to quit believing that they can't make a difference.  (Nov 11, 2011 | post #19)

Trumann, AR

jesus

I believe you have said a mouthful. It is interesting that you use the word dogma. It is a matter of relationship, not processed ideas. I believe there are only a few things you truly have to believe according to scripture. The rest of those things, they are the things that divide church denominations, and people. If the bible isn't clear on the issue, it is not our place to put ourselves in God's position and define them for the rest of the world. I love Jesus and the Word of God, as they are mutually edifying. I believe, not in a set idea, but by revelation to myself. Those things that I have not attained, I do not hold as priority. The word says it is the Lord's work to teach us. And this he does. Many people have fallen through the cracks, so to speak, due to the dogmatic stances of denominations and personal opinion. Nonetheless, I have sought for myself and I find matters of faith, to be worth living for.  (Oct 5, 2011 | post #65)

Trumann, AR

jesus

My intentions are never to argue. My path is always "Peace"! I hope that you have the same peace in your life. I thank you for taking the time to answer my replies. Your statement about the supernatural existing outside of the natural order, is absolutely correct. It is at the heart of everything the bible states. The natural laws, as we see them, are based directly on observation, that which can be seen. But, to understand even the basic law of gravity, one must make an educated decree, based upon what is seen; to understand what is unseen. The same principle is applicable to God, one must make an educated decree, based upon what is seen; to understand what is unseen. Therefore to fully understand the fullness of of the law of gravity, the unseen must be the ultimate factor. It can only be proven by experience, such as an apple falling to the ground. Again, in the same way, God is proven much in the same manner. The changed life of an individual, the upholding of the standards that God says are good, the fulfillment of his decrees; it is in experience that we become convinced. The unseen and the seen working together. In my experience, I have never been able to deny the existence of God. I was not taught religion. My family was full of drug addicts and alcoholics. They did go to church, nor speak of these things. It was my experience, as a child, that led many of them seek out a relationship with God. As a child, a lay dying in a hospital bed, the doctors had given up on me. I was to be nothing more, than an experiment for the rest of my days. I was given the ooportunity by my doctors and family to do anything I wanted for the weekend. With the full knowledge, that it would be my last, out of hospital experience, if I made it that long. I asked to go to church... you can probably understand their response... Huh? Church?. I had never been taken nor taught. The long and short of it. They took me. That night, I asked the Lord to heal me. My family was introduced to a God that loves them that night, and Monday, when I returned to the hospital, the unbelievable had taken place. Somewhere, somehow, someway... I was no longer dying. The illness that had kept me hospitalized for six months was a thing of the past. I had experienced a healing and it was unexplainable to the medical community. I am still kicken' it 30 years later. I owe that to the One, in whom I have believed. For me, I am all the evidence I need. It would be truly wonderful, if all men were as blessed as I, to have had such an experience. To whom much is given, much is required, and that is why I do the things I do. It is out of a heart of gratitude. Please never misunderstand any thing I say as a quarrel. If I have offended, I apologize. God bless you all, and I will be praying for you all.  (Oct 4, 2011 | post #59)

Harrisburg, AR

I hate god

We do not believe in a 'man in the sky'. You are way off- base. We believe in the indwelling spirit of God; The kingdom of Heaven is within. You not only have to understand with your mind and average I.Q. (you're words, not mine), you have to believe with your heart. It is a sad thing that you believe in your heart that your are a little more than a smart monkey. Furthermore, one statement says we are evolved monkeys and the next we are just a big accident. Can you give an educated balanced case with evidence for this, or are you just raging against God? Because if its the latter statement, you are doing more to prove his existence, than you are to disprove it. God does love you, and you will have to give an account. Hang in there, I'll be praying for you.  (Oct 1, 2011 | post #16)

Trumann, AR

jesus

You see, now here's the difference between blind faith and objective reason. I admitted I was wrong. That's what's so great about the methods of science. They are adjustable according to what the evidence suggests...and are modified over time. I understand your point of veiw. Science is what it is... I agree with the value of science, for the intended purposes of medicine, species classifications, etc, etc... Learn everything you can about the world around you. The bible has nothing to do with science, it just makes many statements that science can't prove. The bible makes these statements without regret and or apology. I understand the statement "God did it", does not suffice with you, nor does it for me. I do , however understand the principles and precepts put forward in the bible, that say things, such as, all things in creation are held together by the hand of God... Science can neither prove nor debunk this statement. It can neither disprove nor debunk the statement that God created man. It has tried time and time again, and the impotence of science is this... you eventually have to take a leap of faith, to hold most of the theories it produces together; especially when dealing with origins. These theories have many different types of evidences to them, but still yet, there are 'missing links, and holes left to be filled'. Nonetheless, based upon the evidence of things seen, and the hope of what these things mean, the scientific community pushes forward, to prove its logical reasonings and conclusions. The church does the same thing, as Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Faith is anything but blind. Some people may have a blind faith, I am not one of them. History, has proven the bible authentic, the fullfilling of prophecies have proven the bible authentic, as well as the Human Experience. I do not believe in God b/c I am weak or lack knowledge of other ideas, or even science. I believe b/c the Lord has revealed himself to me, the way He said He would. He has honored the promises throughout scripture and upheld the things He said he would do. Not only in my life but in the life of many others. The apology you offered is accepted. I do not mean to offend anyone. I do not need to defend God, but there are many of my brothers and sisters out there, who are being taught things that ruin whole households. And, to tear down the younger, weaker vessels among us, seems to be the status quo of many a non-believer. When seeds of doubt are sown, by anyone, it is my duty to call them to produce evidence, or at least provide an ample response to the negativity. It is not personal, as I would have that all men believe. My calling in life is to strengthen the brethern, to comfort the brethern, and to edify the brethern; I try my best. I do not want to alienate you or anyone else, only to offer my knowledge of these things as a valid, well thought case. Those things that I do not understand, I have no problem saying that I do not. I am open to knowledge and the application of it. Wisdom is the ultimate goal, whether it is science or religion, but it is never dogmatic. You can ask "The one Jesus loved", if I am not one of the most open-minded christians, he knows. I do not force my beliefs on anyone, but I do stand for them, and when confronted, i will give an account for what I believe and why. My faith is not blind. I have a testimony and God has seen me through many battles.  (Oct 1, 2011 | post #50)

Trumann, AR

jesus

That was a great little BBQ, thanks! God Bless and I hope you have a great week!  (Oct 1, 2011 | post #49)

Trumann, AR

jesus

Jesus is my Gardner posts out of Keller, Texas. This is someone else entirely.  (Oct 1, 2011 | post #44)

Trumann, AR

jesus

You fail to realize the overwhelming disdain of God for sin. The concept to understand is God hates sin and the people who commit them have chosen to serve another. In context, it is no different than a father on earth, denying his child. Having been created 'in the image of God', it would only be noteworthy that we would reflect godly emotions, not God reflecting human emotions. The severity of the judgements by man, often end in the loss of life; however, it is God who can destroy the soul. If you read the entirety of the Law, you will assertain the knowledge, that a slave, (The little girls you say were raped), were to be given full rights as a wife, if they were ever 'Violated' as you say. You are misinformed, and very ignorant of the fullness of scripture. You happen to lay judgements upon God, and you have no authority to do so, nor do you have the knowledge needed to hold a valid case against him. It may not be a biblical doctrine, but the veracity of your own dogma is lacking in information. You should give notice to these words from the bible... Study to show thineself approved, a workman unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth; That you should not be ashamed. In the last of your post, you admitted to the goodness of Jesus Christ, who is the fullness of the God that you deny. You admit his teachings are good and anyone who lives by them would surely be living a "well adjusted and noble life." Your own words condemn you my friend... These are the statements the bible makes. Jesus Christ is the image of the Father. His death paid the price for your sins, his pattern of living,(a well adjusted and noble life,); is the life you are called to live. All it takes is a small confession of who is he is and a belief that he is who who says he is. (Notice* you are halfway there!) My only question is this... How is it possible to see the beauty of Jesus Christ life; and deny yourself the same beauty for your own. I understand your willingness to point out the flaws of the church, but if you have so much figured out; when and where will you be holding your first service, as I would like to be there to support you in your efforts to reconcile the world with God!  (Oct 1, 2011 | post #39)

Trumann, AR

jesus

That's the truth of the matter. It takes alot more than posting a few scriptures, and rattling off at the mouth to reach 'the people'. You can't reach 'them' with fine sounding arguments and sermons. It takes an open heart surrendered to God that reflects the open heart of God to reach 'them'. Having sat beneath your words of wisdom, "The Artist formerly known as Pastor", I can say, you have successfully done so many times. I thank you for your willingness to serve the Lord. Keep up the hard work, the rewards are out of this world!  (Sep 26, 2011 | post #30)

Trumann, AR

who is GOD.

Well said! It's an amazing thing to understand, that all God wants is to love you and be loved by you. It's harder to understand some of the deeper things in scripture. It involves a lifetime of willingness to be conformed to His image.  (Sep 26, 2011 | post #10)

Trumann, AR

who is GOD.

I liked the questions that you asked in regards the Hebrew people. They are not easily answered, but they are answerable. God set out to put His name on a people that he could call His very own. To manifest in them; who He is, and display Himself through. They are God's chosen people; the world hates God, and reflectively; the world will hate His representatives. As the Hebrew people are hated, so are Christ's disciples, being american doesn't make you a bible believing christiian. Going to church, can't make you a christian, anymore than hanging out in the garage can make you a car. If you choose to live for the Lord and become a disciple; you will stand up for the things that God says are yours. It goes against the norm of things and societies standards. And when people like things the way they are because they are prosperous in them, why change? The natural tendency is to hate people who would change the status quo for that which is greater for everyone! The short of it... tell a man how he must do something, and 9 times out of 10; He will rebel. He will go three times further to do things the wrong way, before he will admit his fault. Israel and the church still stand for that truth.  (Sep 25, 2011 | post #8)