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Somali women demand 30% in the parlement.

cool, have a read when you get time. i think the point they are trying to make is that the 2clans have been the cause of conflict and marginalized the rest- so it would be better if they stepped aside for a minute... obviously its a lot to ask and will not work. as you can see from some of the comments above and from this (http://www.topix. com/forum/world/so malia/TAL8ISSNPM4F 1E4C6/p3) and other such posts, its even a more far fetched request to suggest that women will be wholeheartedly accepted, some of these Shaykhs&elders will give you 1001 hadiths about why women should stay in the home. and if they are so clanless why are we always close to war when they seek to marry someone from another clan- this opposition from experience has come from the older aunties...whilst its (mostly) always ok for a man to marry out? i agree we are a clan society and although im ashamed of this for all the ills it has brought, i also agree with your (or someone else?) call to educate women about their rights in islam. Question is who is going to carry out this education? and also judging by the results produced by the relatively free, fair and open education facilities we enjoy here in the west, some of the well spoken (or written) sisters (even worse de brothers) here on topix seem to be worst than the average village girl. i agree its a depressing day and time we are living in- having said that i'm glad that somali is at least moving forward and not waiting for us dregs in the west to come back- may most of us die here for we have enough lunatics back home.  (Aug 17, 2012 | post #72)

My final thoughts...

What do you mean about Ally? atheist are not the problem and the deen of Allah does not need our silly emotionally charged defense. what is needed is for us to change our situation and be about what is good, true and right.  (Aug 17, 2012 | post #13)

Somali women demand 30% in the parlement.

what do you think of this...maybe too long and advanced for some but im sure you'll appreciate. http://www.hiiraan .com/op4/2012/aug/ 25326/it_s_time_to _elect_non_daarood _and_non_hawiye_le aders_in_the_inter est_of_peace_and_u nity_in_somalia.as px  (Aug 17, 2012 | post #61)

My final thoughts...

i say run as fast as you can, run away before you're addicted, run before you heart starts to despise these juhala, run before you loose hope and despair in humanity... [Oh you who believe free yourselves and your families from the hell fire...] subhanaAllah just look at the above comment, who has even said "nasty thinsg about their own Somali brothers" here yet? wallahi we just see and hear what we want, when we want. just like the racist who sees the 'other' and immediately sees threat we are very deluded. the other day when atheists were attacking this forum alot of people were up in arms one called for something to be done about it- but wallahi by the second comment it had all become about qabil- see for your self here: http://www.topix.c om/forum/world/som alia/TKSFJ1PGJTTPK 5F13 there is no intelligence here- if you want your sanity go away. i have been observing topix forums for a few months now for a project on online culture and the other day i got dragged into commenting...this is like my seventh comment and i feel so bad. im somewhat glad that somalia is not waiting for us in the west to go back and develop it. with this kibr, racism, ignorance and misogyny we are not going anywhere..so run away for all that matters here is this: http://www.topix.c om/forum/world/som alia/TAL8ISSNPM4F1 E4C6/p3  (Aug 17, 2012 | post #11)

Video of Somalia in 1933 - it had the largest Salt factor...

thanks for that. very interesting keep it coming... you can also rest assured that most people on here will not be bothered by this and other important issues concerning our history etc. what matters most is which "dhillo" is even thinking of finding love outside the somali "community " and which qabil is the largest etc etc...sometimes im glad that these people are mainly in the west and are propably never gonna go back- this makes me happy cause i know we have enough lunatics at home and somalia will inshaallah not depend on its topix constituency to help in the rebuilding...  (Aug 17, 2012 | post #3)

Have you ever dated with someone from other race?

most probably... have you not heard of the saying: "if you are white you're alright, if you're brown stick around- stick around, but if you're black- get to the back". being a racist, tribalist lot, we have fully brought in into that maxim. seems we are no better than the "bantus" we despise so much for loving whitey... notice how most of the above comments are neutral on whites but if this was about marrying lets say our next door neighbors in kenya...the sisters above would have been automatic dhillos... ps. please dont call me names or accuse me of being a troll...  (Aug 16, 2012 | post #21)

What is wrong with you peaple?

lol... i guess actions are judged by their intentions so Allah will reward you likewise. that said, i have to say that is somewhat naive because evidently many of us are muslims because we were born thus, islam is not really born in us. we are more concerned with being "pure somalis" than muslims- in fact we are only muslims when someone writes something crazy about islam etc...oh yeah and when we come to the defense of our poor Arab brothers. no one is beyond help but im not sure if these people want or even require help...  (Aug 16, 2012 | post #7)

What is wrong with you peaple?

to be honest Hanna i dont understand why you stick around...this is like my 3rd post but ive been around for a while trying to study forum culture... you must have a very thick skin or strong desire to liberate our somali "community ". i have written a bit on why people are rude to somali women (on the post with the same name) let me know what you think. peace  (Aug 16, 2012 | post #5)

why are people here rude to somali women

Salamz to answer why people are rude to somali women is simple for me as somali man(albeit de-somalised by a lot of reading). firstly, virtue of a pastrualist culture, we have an over inflated sense of honor and patriarchal protectionism which keeps us closely stuck together(traced by numerous anthropological studies to pastrualist wandering as opposed to sendetary security of settlement). where women are concerned, this nature of ours leads us to consider them under the ramification of our property- together with cattle etc. from here you now see why the coming to the west where women have "equal" rights has confused our perceived roles. this even stretches to where the obedient practicing ones have understood islam in light of this equality and somewhat prove it using islamic sources when we see that the home of these islamic sources the women there come or are led to a different understanding of these sources... so without digressing, the average somali brother is rude to the average woman because we tend to see you below us and our property. i know somali brothers that will say nothing to a distant cousin who is sleeping around but will come close to arms when they hear that a somali sister is about to marry outside "the community" (what ever that is). the second reason i would like to point out is the general pathology of Jahilia (state of ignorance) that hunts us. when Ibn Abaas aske Umar (RA) about the 3 women that plotted against the prophet Umar went on to tell him a long story of their conduct before islam in which he said that before islam 'they did not consider women in anything...and they were surprised when Allah even mentioned them in the Qur'an, only then did they start to think about them in any significant way. by and large, this is still the case for many of us...we will wait until when we are 30 then give a few aunties a call to get all the young virgins ready for us to choose one to put in our house. as long as we see our next door neighbour as sub-human, even our fellow somalis as something foreign- you women will always enjoy an extension of that xenophobia. on this there is also a hadeeth in which the prophet outlined three aspects of Jahilia that were to remain in the ummah till the end..one of them was this looking down on others virtue of where we come from...... please feel free to disagree/correct/e xtend my argument but please dont accuse me of being who im not or troll or call me names... peace  (Aug 16, 2012 | post #48)

What is wrong with you peaple?

Brother Cumar has a point, there must be something fundamentally wrong with a people who are not bereft of issues yet they find only time for the most meaningless of topics. this is even more problematic seeing that it is the subject of some of these topics (qabil) that has landed us in the mess that we find ourselves in. now i for one have reached a point where im glad that most (if not all) of these people on topix are in the west and thus are not depended on in the development of somali. it is better that they stay here on their welfare etc and die here- we have enough lunatics back home. as for the above comment- i have to disagree with you- that those who profess these insane ideologies and display nothing but ignorance are not "really" somali is akin to burring your head in the sand. if you look carefully anyone who has said something that challenges our perceived superiority- they have been labeled as non-somali or have been accused of being a troll. the fact that some of these so called nonsomalis write in somali at times when we all know that somali is not taught like say french, also goes to prove that there are crazies among us. i have argued with many brothers/sisters that even some of us who seem to be enlightened and beyond racism and tribalism display the same maladies by seeing us as some sort of victims of a worldwide conspiracy to destroy us and by denying the somali identity of anyone who does anything to bring us shame or that which goes outside of what we imagine to be a "true" somali culture. i have always dared anyone to outline to me what it means to be somali- what is the somali culture that is so unique and where is this somali community that everyone keeps going on about, what has it done for us and the poor somalis who have nothing else to do but sell their daughters in yemen, uae, ethiopia and kenya? i would very much like to hear from you...lol you can be assured that this topic is not attractive enough to attract some of our crazy bro/sisters  (Aug 16, 2012 | post #3)

something has to be done about this

see...islam and the prophet is not that important is it? anything and everything with us can be easily turned into a discussion about qabil. why why why? what good has qabil done for us in the last 20 years?  (Aug 9, 2012 | post #5)

Somali exprime minister returns to mogadisho

why are you doing this? dont you know that no one cares about real stuff here? all we are interested in is qabil, somali women and how we are so not african....  (Aug 9, 2012 | post #4)

something has to be done about this

"isn't reer shiidle a bantu tribe and didnt you guy's have a fight with gosha " the above response is so typical of a people who cannot seem to see beyond their noses....below is my response to a similar post calling for a moderator to get rid of these anti-islamic trolls. This being my second post....i have to say this is very pathetic from the you guys. i have been observing this forum for the past few months and this is the first time i have seen you guys come together to deal with anything serious- other times it has been about 'this or that qabil','Adoon, Jareer, Bantu ignoramus debates', why somali women should stick to their men even if they are useless and generally stupid talk that even a child would be embarrassed to heard in- all this from a self professed superior 'race' that is so unique that its even outside the geographical location it finds itself in. to be honest brothers and sisters, we should be ashamed of ourselves. recent political and developmental happenings get little or no mention but qabil and arab/bantu bashing gets contribution from everyone. i dont agree with all this islam bashing either but why is it that we are calling for a moderator now when misogynistic, racist and outright unislamic bs has permeated this forum for what seems like eternity? if we are to be honest with ourselves, are we not being a bit hypocritical? its pathetic that some of us a crying to the administrator when in the past we have acted like the most advanced authorities on all things islam and somali- why cant we deal with these "trolls" ourselves? why do we need a moderator now? i hate them too- but lets be honest we are not unique from other people...crazy somali atheists are alive and kicking... wallahi if we were about intellectual discussions about real things that are affecting us these "trolls" wouldnt be here...in Ramadhan of all months. -after re-reading before posting, i have to state clearly that this is not a personal attack on anyone and from what i have seen in previous posts there is a tendency to take things personal or accuse people of being impersonation of other characters- please try to avoid this. try also to avoid calling me adoon jareer or dismissing me as a troll. this is a mere call for us to grow up- together and leave childishness behind..  (Aug 9, 2012 | post #3)

Why someone ABUSE this forum deliberetely?

This being my second post....i have to say this is very pathetic from the you guys. i have been observing this forum for the past few months and this is the first time i have seen you guys come together to deal with anything serious- other times it has been about 'this or that qabil', 'Adoon, Jareer, Bantu ignoramus debates', why somali women should stick to their men even if they are useless and generally stupid talk that even a child would be embarrassed to heard in- all this from a self professed superior 'race' that is so unique that its even outside the geographical location it finds itself in. to be honest brothers and sisters, we should be ashamed of ourselves. recent political and developmental happenings get little or no mention but qabil and arab/bantu bashing gets contribution from everyone. i dont agree with all this islam bashing either but why is it that we are calling for a moderator now when misogynistic, racist and outright unislamic bs has permeated this forum for what seems like eternity? if we are to be honest with ourselves, are we not being a bit hypocritical? its pathetic that some of us a crying to the administrator when in the past we have acted like the most advanced authorities on all things islam and somali- why cant we deal with these "trolls" ourselves? why do we need a moderator now? i hate them too- but lets be honest we are not unique from other people...crazy somali atheists are alive and kicking... wallahi if we were about intellectual discussions about real things that are affecting us these "trolls" wouldnt be here...in Ramadhan of all months. -after re-reading before posting, i have to state clearly that this is not a personal attack on anyone and from what i have seen in previous posts there is a tendency to take things personal or accuse people of being impersonation of other characters- please try to avoid this. try also to avoid calling me adoon jareer or dismissing me as a troll. this is a mere call for us to grow up- together and leave childishness behind..  (Aug 9, 2012 | post #13)

Why don't we discuss the political issues of our nation?

Ever heard of the phrase "barking up the wrong tree"? well, thats exactly what you are doing. i want to help you. i have been observing this and other somali (and non-somali)forums for the past few months for a project i intend to carry out soon. after seeing your two posts i have finally succumbed to the temptation of signing up. look, you are in the wrong place- what is important here is 'what qabil is most somali', what the somali women are doing, defending of "our Arab brothers", hatred of everything and everyone African (or as they say Adoon, Jareer etc)funnily enough this hatred includes ourselves as somalis, the uniqueness and superiority/purity of "our somali community"- albeit imagined... in short there is little intelligence here. what you should do is get a few people in your local community and set up a network that meets regularly with set agendas. this forum is solely for making some of our people feel important and for spending time in-between meals.... you are right if you had asked why somali women are dating and looking elsewhere for relationships or why the jareer need to go home or even hotter why you are going to marry a non-somali...i would not have signed up to waste your time as you'd had enough responses to publish into a book. in summary, go to your books, read and link with like-minded people, preferably face-to-face- where a level of respect is expected. ps. do also avoid the cafes..they are no good. having said this you might be all alone and thats not such a bad thing. i hope you understand me. all the best.  (Aug 9, 2012 | post #3)

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