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Repatriate them all

I think I may have just figured out why Argentina is having all these financial problems!  (Sep 19, 2014 | post #3)

How London became the child abuse capital of the world.

Very good Hans. You've demonstrated that there are paedophiles in Britain, as there are in every other country. Now what's your point? What has any of this got to do with the Falkland Islands? You are aware that you are posting to the "Falkland Islands Forum", are you? I can tell that you are, for some reason, fascinated by the thought of sex with children but unless it has some relevance to the Falkland Islands I suggest that you indulge your interests elsewhere.  (Aug 7, 2014 | post #11)

If Argentina does collapse?

I can tell you that! It will be the same year that Argentina gains sovereignty over the Falkland Islands - which, coincidently, will be the same year that Hell is selected to host the Winter Olympics.  (Aug 4, 2014 | post #208)

If Argentina does collapse?

What war debt did the UK default to Argentina and when?  (Aug 1, 2014 | post #177)

Bright Sunny Day for 32ND Anniversary of Our Liberation

To the Falkland Islanders. Congratulations on regaining your liberty after the illegal Argentine invaders had been defeated. In memory of all those who lost their lives in the cause of freedom. "A noble hart may have no ease, gif freedom failye"  (Jul 19, 2014 | post #1)

Free Patagonia

Yes, mandatory, and even if the judgement of the court was only advisory, and Argentina had raised the case unilaterally, it would still be a massive blow to the British position and make holding on to the islands almost impossible. If the Argentine case is so very, very strong then it should not shy away from even trying to bring the matter before the ICJ. Of course, there is always the danger that the UK might agree to having the case heard by the court - and, for Argentina, therein lies the rub!  (Nov 7, 2012 | post #332)

Free Patagonia

Ricardo, you say [Argentina has] nothing to win even with a favourable outcome but this really isn't true. Winning a case at the ICJ would be a MASSIVE propaganda coup and would put enormous moral pressure on the UK ... which is the only country in the UN that has stated that it will regard rulings of the ICJ as mandatory. It would gain Argentina huge support around the world. If the Argentine case is really so strong, taking it to the ICJ should be a "no brainer". An Argentine victory at the ICJ would be crushing for the UK ... and yet Argentina, despite claiming that it has an overwhelming case, ahs never made any attempt to place its case before the ICJ or the previous League of Nations equivalent. Indeed, even when invited to do so it has absolutely refused to take part or even recognise the ruling of the court. Ricardo, you're not a fool, you must understand what this means. I can understand that you don't want to admit it to us, your supposed opponents (even enemies?), and I suspect you would rather not admit it even to yourself, but I think you understand what it really means ... be honest, if only to yourself.  (Nov 7, 2012 | post #330)

Prohibir la radicación de argentinos en las Islas Malvinas

Well, Dante, it is obvious that Argentina must prohibit British Citizens settling in Argentina in retaliation. It will be so very, very difficult for us Brits - we will cry ourselves to sleep every night, but you must be strong, you must not worry about that, just make us suffer!  (Oct 28, 2012 | post #2)

Why do people LOVE the UK?

Don't cry for us, Ricardo. The truth is we know you love us. (Now there must be a good tune we could set those lyrics to?) ;-)  (Oct 27, 2012 | post #21)

Free Patagonia

Scotland and N. Ireland will be "free" as soon as the people of these countries vote for it - and everyone will respect their decision. The people of the Falkland Islands will vote to be free (they already are) in 2013 - will Argentina respect their decision?  (Oct 25, 2012 | post #233)

Bienvenido el plebiscito

But the islanders are victims of oppression! They are being oppressed by Argentina and its threat of colonial expansion into their land. In just the same way that Argentine imperialism led to the colonisation of Pataginia and the murder of the native inhabitants. They're not only voting to stay British, they're voting against becoming Argentine.  (Oct 24, 2012 | post #2)

The Expulsion Myth

Deanstreet, The reason that Fransisco is so keen on arbitration rather that going before the ICJ is simple. Arbitration does not necessarily take full account of who may be right or wrong, or who has the stronger case; it simply seeks to find a solution that is acceptable to both parties. If arbitration was accepted by Britain it would simply give Argentina another forum in which it could moan and groan and whine and cry like a baby, without having their actual claim to sovereignty examined in forensic detail. They know that their claim, if subjected to detailed forensic examination, would be thrown out of court, so they seek to avoid the rigour of a legal case. All the soft words about the loser feeling better after arbitration is just a blind, we know that Argentina would never accept any decision that left them as the loser – they have already said so, it’s written into their constitution. There is no point trying to negotiate with someone who will only accept one outcome to the negotiations.  (Oct 23, 2012 | post #1244)

Why do people LOVE the UK?

If you think our main strategy is to point out Argentina’s shortcomings, which are already obvious to anyone who cares to look, then you really don’t know much about strategy. Our main strategy is much, much simpler than that - our main strategy is quite simply to do nothing. (Though we might occasionally have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit while we’re doing it.) You say, “Why you do not say that you will not return territory to an undeserving Country??? Because you can't, because that is an outrageous argument that would depict you as the arrogant Nation you pretend not to be …” I will answer your question. Argentina IS an undeserving country. It is undeserving because of the governments it has had over the last 60 years and the worst thing about it is that the Argentine people don’t deserve such governments either. It is your governments not your people that are undeserving and unworthy. We are not going to, and it astonishes me that you think we should, hand over 3000 more people, who do not wish it, into the jurisdiction of such unworthy governments. Fix your country, Ricardo, then come back and ask again. If being a stable democracy that respects human rights and the rule of law makes Britain an arrogant country then, yes, we are an arrogant country and we’re proud of it. I’m not even going to respond to the vile insults you make against Britain and America. They are simply not worthy of any reply. Tell me how the Argentine population reacted when the first British ships were sunk, Ricardo? Now let me tell you about how I reacted when I first heard that the Belgrano had been sunk. A wave of sadness passed over me and I wondered how many young men had lost their lives in the cold waters of the South Atlantic. No cheering, no clapping – just sadness and regret. You see it’s easy to hate people, Ricardo, when you characterise them as monsters as you tried to do in some of your comments, but we’re not monsters any more than you are. We know how to fight wars, we know how to win wars. We also know the cost of war – have you ever heard a Brit complaining because your air force sank some of our ships? I suspect not, in fact you have probably read or heard Brits praising the courage and determination of your pilots many times. I sometimes think that in 1982 the Argentine people thought that war was some kind of game. Well we knew it was not a game, we have hundreds of thousands of white headstones in graveyards all round the world with hundreds of thousands more of our people with only the oceans of the world as their grave to remind us. I think you know where the blame for the deaths of those “boys” on the Belgrano, and all the others, really lies. It lies with the corrupt leader that sent them into battle against a much more experienced foe. And this is the bit you won’t like; it also lies with the people whose inflated and unrealistic expectations and fantasies meant that he couldn’t dare withdraw them even with the excuse of the UN resolution calling for withdrawal. Galtieri sent them to war - but the Argentine people kept them at war. If the Argentine people want to know who really killed all those young men they need only take a long, hard look in the mirror. Human shield? No one forced the Islanders or their ancestors to go to the islands. No one is forcing them to stay there if they don’t want to. Do you really have no idea how insane that suggestion makes you sound?  (Oct 19, 2012 | post #8)

Why do people LOVE the UK?

Thank you for your response and thank you especially for responding in English, I very much appreciate that. You say I simplify a complex issue too much. I agree the issue is complex and also that I simplified it, but then I wasn’t trying to write a detailed and scholarly history of Argentina. I still think my conclusions were well founded. When you talk about “the UK and the US and other powers” being active in history I really wonder what you expect? Why do you think that other countries should be looking out for Argentina’s best interests? Is that not what Argentine governments were supposed to be doing? You sound as if you think there is some great international conspiracy against Argentina. You should also understand that other countries do support Britain’s position. They do so simply by doing nothing, or at least nothing effective, to oppose Britain. They understand what they're doing perfectly well even if you don’t. As for the solidity of the Argentine claim; when the ICJ tells me it is solid then I’ll believe it. You say, “Finally, your statement that we bully and despise the Islanders is a blatant lie...” First, I said, ”threaten and bully”, please don’t put words in my mouth. Second, I resent being called a blatant liar and I hope you will withdraw that unwarranted accusation. It is perfectly possible for me to hold a different opinion from you without being a liar. Third, it is well known to everyone that Argentina has for years tried to make life as difficult and uncomfortable as possible for the Islanders and that that continues to this day. (Even to the extent of recently trying to get them excluded from a badminton competition! How petty is that?) So I think my opinion is well supported by the evidence. Also, the Islanders are not deciding the sovereignty issue; Britain is deciding the sovereignty issue – but we are (as you yourselves pledge to do) taking the interests of the Islanders into account. You say, “… the safety and way of life of the Islanders can be perfectly guaranteed … and shielded against Argentina's instability …”. I would really like to know how you can guarantee that since you cannot even guarantee that you yourselves are shielded from Argentina’s instability.  (Oct 19, 2012 | post #7)

Why do people LOVE the UK?

And therein lies the whole problem! The Argentine government tells so many lies to the Argentine people, and the Argentine people tell so many lies to each other (and anyone else who will listen) that the entire country has come to live in a fantasy world. Argentina ought to be a great country. Given it's size and it's natural resources it really ought to be counted in the top ten nations of the World - yes, even, perhaps, above Britain. But what do we actually find? We find a country that swings, pendulum like, back and forth between dictatorship and demagoguery, passing briefly and quickly through nascent democracy on the way. This happens, repeatedly, because the Argentine people do not have a real world understanding of the issues and challenges their country faces. They have been consistently taught, brainwashed, to blame everyone (and anyone) except themselves, and most especially, their own government, for the ills that afflict their country. Ricardo, whatever other countries may say to your face about supporting you over "Las Malvinas", they say very different things behind your back. Has any of these countries ever put itself at serious disadvantage in order to support your claim? We both know what the answer to that question is, don't we - and I know, and I think you know, that they never will. They tell you what you want to hear because they know it soothes you, it keeps you quiet, it makes you feel happy - and it costs them nothing! Argentina must wake up, Ricardo. It must stop living in a world that everyone else on the planet only reads about in history books. The issue of the Falkland Islands is settled, it was settled 180 years ago, everyone else in the World understands this whatever they may tell you. If Argentina is ever to win the Falkland Islands it must first win the hearts and minds of the Falkland Islanders - and do you really think that is ever going to happen if Argentina continues to threaten and bully them at every opportunity? Britain is not the natural enemy of Argentina. The British people have no ill will towards Argentina except over the threatening and bullying behaviour that it displays towards the Falkland Islands. We don't even really care very much about the Islands themselve. We have relinquished sovereignty over much, much greater areas of the World in the last 60 years. The land itself is relatively unimportant to us, but what we do care about, and WILL defend with all our might, is democracy, self determination, human rights and freedom from persecution, oppression and being "disappeared ". I say all of these things, Ricardo, not because I am the enemy of Argentina but because I want to be its friend. I want to be the kind of real friend that tells you - not the gentle lies you want to hear - but rather the truth you do not want to hear but which it is in your best interests that you do hear - even if that is hard for you to understand at the time. So, wake up Ricardo, wake up Argentina, stop living in a glorious dream world of flintlock muskets, sailing ships, swords and "pirates ". Join us here in the real world of the 21st century where such things are only to be found in the pages of history books or fictional adventure stories. Above all, stop lying to yourselves and stop accepting the lies told to you by a corrupt government. Argentina could be so very much greater than it is, but that will never happen until you understand, accept and act on the truth. Peace, my friend.  (Oct 19, 2012 | post #4)