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Jehovah's Witness

No flip flop on Sodom and Gommorah and transplants!

I put this on the wrong thread, so will cut and paste it on the correct one.  (11 hrs ago | post #37)

Jehovah's Witness

No flip flop on Sodom and Gommorah and transplants!

As far as so-called scientific dating is concerned, how is it provable? The point is, it isn't. A man's, or some men's, word has to be taken, in every case. There also is an income, and acceptance into the scientific community attached to it. It is just as suspect as any other claim made by men where income and acceptance is at risk. Millions of years makes a nice place to hide. And yet it is always presented so authoritatively, as if no one in their right mind could argue. The bully pulpit. And it is always funded by governments, who have a vested interest in not having their authority challenged in peoples minds by an all powerful God. Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the WTBTS position, since it is based on the reasoning of men who also have their acceptance and livelihood at risk, and are no more trustworthy.  (12 hrs ago | post #36)

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Harlot of Babylon will drink

So where is another group that could possibly qualify, without the Jews? As far as Jesus followers, the only ones qualifying, at that time, were Jews. While Paul reaches out to the nations, the only recorded individuals attested to by God, or Jesus, were Jews. The rest is assumption, or reasoned out by men. Just because they were called to be so, doesn't mean that they became such. As Jesus said, many are called, but few are chosen. If there were no Jews, there couldn't be anyone else. If God calls them holy, who are you to object? When God says they are no longer holy, that will be the time to reason that it is so. And where does anyone have authority to place that name on anyone, not called so by God?  (13 hrs ago | post #30)

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Do you beleive in demons

Do you believe in aliens, and people on different planets? besides this one?  (Tuesday | post #6)

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Harlot of Babylon will drink

Why do you say that? The "New Covenant" replaced the Mosaic covenant, not the Abrahamic covenant. Both the Law Covenant, and the New Covenant were within the Abrahamic covenant, the only covenant that matters, as far as an apostasy is concerned with the Jews. Anyone can be an apostate to something, but if you read the covenant that God made with Abraham, you will see just how the other two were not replacements, but augmented it. For some reason, people think Jesus came to replace, and he didn't. He came to fulfill. His own words say that. The fulfillment doesn't happen until the end. The Jews were, and are, God's holy ones because of Abraham. God will fulfill his end of the bargain with Abraham, regardless of individual Jewish behavior. Jesus comes in to the picture as the means of the nations benefiting from the covenant God made with Abraham. It puzzles me that Christendom has never appreciated that. If you read Paul's writings, you will see that he was entirely aware of it. Just read Hebrews.  (Tuesday | post #28)

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Do you beleive in demons

self assurance is one of the biggest traps a man can fall into. and you've fallen hard.  (Tuesday | post #2)

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Harlot of Babylon will drink

Maybe someday you'll come back and finish the discussion. Until then if anyone else would like to pick up where you left off, I'll be more than agreeable to continue it.  (Tuesday | post #26)

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Jehovah's Superstitious Witnessess

Well, now that you've insulted them, what do you have to offer as a better way of determining how to interpret the bible's view?  (Monday May 4 | post #2)

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Standing in a Holy Place

Jesus quotes Daniel when mentioning the "thing" standing in a holy place. If you bother to read Daniel, you will notice the thing causing desolations was placed there, it didn't break through a wall for a bit. Just because you haven't the faith to read the bible before you determine what is and what isn't a valid belief, doesn't mean that others are of the same brand. When Paul mentions it, he expands further on the occurrence, and shows that it is connected to apostasy and Antichrist. lazy people don't, and won't get it, until it is forced on them by circumstance. Why would you care what I believe? It is like you are going out of your way just to belittle something. It seems that when someone put's the effort into bible study, it makes you feel guilty for not doing so. Rather than doing your own, it is easier to put down someone else'. Come back and discuss after you've read the bible "in an undertone" for a few years, then we can have a meaningful discussion. This was God's command to Joshua after Moses died. Perhaps you could learn something from it, regarding the understanding of prophecy....... This book of the law should not depart from your mouth, and you must in an undertone read in it day and night, in order that you may take care to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way successful and then you will act wisely  (Monday May 4 | post #56)

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Standing in a Holy Place

These two have different answers to the same question. So, obviously one of them doesn't understand the prophecy regarding the holy place. Which one is it/ Or do neither understand? It's important, because at least one of them is declaring themselves wicked according to Daniel 12.......... And he went on to say: Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.  (Sunday May 3 | post #39)

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Who Are The Two Witnesses?

There are two things that have been started by God on the earth as a means to accomplish his will. The nation of Israel, and the thing called Christendom. These two things have become hated by the world in general, because they continually remind people that God is ruler, by their mere existence. Both have been doing their witnessing (just existing) in sackcloth for several years now.  (Saturday May 2 | post #2)

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Standing in a Holy Place

Do you really believe anyone really reads all of this stuff you write? When Daniel, in chapter 11 verse 31, says there is a violation of the sanctuary, and a placing of something considered disgusting there... and Jesus uses that placing as a point of identification time-wise.....and Paul, in 2nd Thessalonians, picks up on it and uses it to point to other things that were to be associated with it, as in an apostasy related to it...and a setting down of this abomination in the place of God..and you say it won't happen in your first sentence....I believe you've just shown your irrelevance in anything to do with end-time prophecy. What it looks like is happening here is that you've just shown that Satan has been thrown out of heaven, and the woes have started. The abyss has opened... the smoke coming out of it has darkened the light of God and has blocked some of the capability of men to see God's truth, the fowled air men now have to breathe because of it is dampening the availability of God spirit to any who would be asking for it, and the first of the woes has begun. I can't prove any of it, but at least I didn't take up three pages to say it.  (Saturday May 2 | post #23)

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Harlot of Babylon will drink

I rarely use the term. Let's call it a rebellion against God. Adam was guilty of apostasy. That kind of limits the application to someone, or someones, who have had an approved relationship to begin with, as far as personal application. In the limits of this discussion, it should be related to the covenant that was in force when Daniel wrote his book.The holy place Jesus is referring to is in relation to a certain time period, as he applies it to the end time prophecy recorded in Daniel chapter 11. The way it is presented, it is a certain disgusting thing, standing in a certain holy place. There is reason to believe that Paul, in 2nd Thessalonians 2, is referring to the same prophecy, as it covers the same time period, and links a particular apostasy to the event.  (Friday May 1 | post #25)

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Standing in a Holy Place

Well, now, I guess we have someone who did see the benefit of reading the bible beyond the milk. Where are the rest? I realize this is just a small portion of what's out there, but I'd bet it's a good cross section of those claiming some kind of relationship with God, or the King of the Jews, Jesus. Yes, he is the king of the Jews. Why not get your head out of your butts and start giving real worship to them, God and Jesus, instead of just trying to make yourselves feel like you've been accepted. Most of you aren't even acceptable, at this point. Hawking magazines, spreading stupidity that you can't even explain. Aaagghhh! If you don't soon have a repentant experience, all of you are going to be on the receiving end of the weeping and gnashing of teeth.  (Friday May 1 | post #18)