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As far as I know, yes.  (9 hrs ago | post #2)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

OK, I see the futility of further discussion with you.  (15 hrs ago | post #76)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

Earlier on a post, common sense was offered as the reason to accept some thoughts. I will offer some of what I believe is common sense, as regards the times of the nations. Read Psalm #2. Common sense would dictate that the times of the nations started before this Psalm was written. Let's see how many of you have this kind of common sense.  (17 hrs ago | post #73)

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A 'Governing Body' or the Bible- which is Paramount?

How can anyone sidestep the lack of integrity associated with the WTBTS organization? Anyone following them is an apostate to what the bible teaches. There is no cleaning up of your own conscience with words they've provided for you. Not one of you can have a biblical conversation. You are all tainted with the WTBTS doctrine, and you speak out of both sides of your mouth about it. I will be curious to see whether anyone even notices when this event takes place..... No one saw it happen, but everyone seems to think it already has taken place. Daniel 11 And as regards the arms of the flood, they will be flooded over on account of him, and they will be broken; as will also the Leader of [the] covenant.  (17 hrs ago | post #19)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

This thread was started as a link to someones site. Probably a good discussion there, but I don't use that site. It has been left unattended here, and no one seems to wish to investigate what the bible says bout it. Most here seem to care what men think about it, as opposed to direct bible statements that can be verified. How did Paul put it to Timothy? For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. It is the same on every thread on every site I've checked. (if there is a site out there dedicated to what the bible actually says, I would ask for a heads up) The bible itself doesn't seem to carry much real weight. Only what men wish to use to defend their position. Why not defend the bible's own position? It is God's word, after all. It certainly doesn't have much value if it need be interpreted,now does it? That would open it up to everyone's imagination, and it would lose it's usefulness. Sort of like it has in today's world. even the meekest have been mislead by the way it has been used to date.  (18 hrs ago | post #72)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

so, after all of the useless data from all of these pages you've posted is sifted through, what event signifies the beginning of the allotted times of the nations. You've been a little vague about that point. The fact that they've not ended is self evident, as Israel is still being trampled on. It seems like you're so desperate for the WTBTS to be right, you've missed the point of the thread. My entry was easy to read, and understand, don't you think? Even a simple eye can understand it. Why don't you reciprocate?  (19 hrs ago | post #71)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

better check your dates  (20 hrs ago | post #70)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

Anyone that wishes can get that junk off the internet. It's a lot of unnecessary gibber jabber about nothing concerned with either the nations, or their beginning, nor their allotted time. Either you think about what I posted, or you don't. But the WTBTS stuff isn't even in the ball park. It's seems you've spent your entire nap trying to support them, instead of looking for the truth. To each his or her own, I guess.  (Yesterday | post #63)

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CHRONOLOGY: What happened to the Neo-Babylonian Timeline?

should I allow the blind to fall into the ditch, or should I point out the obvious? You've supplied out of whole cloth, Jerusalem, as the holy place Daniel was referring to. Then, in what you call a parallel acct, you say that the word desolation was used in the description of her demise, that the description at Luke 21: equates that of Daniel, when describing deeds leading to the establishing of, or placing of, the "Abomination that causes devastation". I honestly don't get the comparison. Read Daniel 11 again, and try twisting that theory around a bit.  (Wednesday | post #57)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

I guess you have low expectations. I aim for a little better than this. And since Jesus gave John the Revelation after the fall of Israel, I'd say you were a little more wishful, than faithful.  (Wednesday | post #53)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

A side note....the word translated "appointed " as in "appointed times of the nations", could just as easily be translated "allotted ", as in "allotted times of the nations". But then doctrine would have to be changed, and pesky questions would come, and, well, .........we just can't have that.  (Wednesday | post #50)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

I guess that you accept that the nations had a definable beginning, that's a start. Now, since the nations began a time period at that point, it would be on your side of the argument to have to provide some other starting point for the nations, in some way relevant. As to your Armageddon statement, It's not exactly what I said, but it's in the ballpark for discussion purposes. Ask a specific question, I will give you whatever I know, or have faith, to be the truth.  (Wednesday | post #49)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

the healing of the nations is a euphemism for their end. from that point on, they will all be one people. not many nations.  (Wednesday | post #44)

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What Event marked the Start of the Gentile Times?

OK, stop...take a breath. this thread is about the times of the gentiles. I'm not sure what you were posting to. They had a beginning, and are noted to have an ultimate end. The discussion was about when. I posited the probability that their appointed time started at their creation. They were created at time of the confusing of communication between men. Each group became it's own little nation, language making the distinction. I don't see another episode in the bible that could point to a beginning where the nations are concerned. It's usually safer, where accuracy is a concern, to build doctrine around accurate facts. Instead of trying to explain the facts based on doctrine.  (Wednesday | post #41)

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Do you feel foolish

I was around the indoctrination for quite a while. I know what they go through. I wasn't criticizing, specifically, just pointing out the realities. I seldom read anything about how someone spent all that time and come out closer to God. They have the same information as every other religion. Unless someone is a robot, and only pees when told, there was nothing holding anyone back from trying to understand the bible for themselves. there still isn't. Yet they would rather spend time yelling at a cur dog. Kind of a waste, like their other pursuits to date.  (Wednesday | post #6)