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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I agree. This sounds like the best idea. I'd be glad to sit down, with you and Roy, for a discussion about these issues and ways to prevent them in the future. Roy has my contact information. Feel free to contact me any time. I am also somewhat skeptcial as to the effectiveness or appropriateness of a public forum concerning these issues. I can see where things might get out of hand and stray from the issues at hand, turning into a verbal slugfest of personal attacks. Not to mention the lack of attendance by those who fear reprisal for speaking out. I think it would be a great idea, at least yearly, to have a public gathering to celebrate the successes of the previous season(s) and discuss any policy/rule changes for the upcoming seasons. I think that would be a great way to spur involvement of parents and families. You just might be surprised by how many would be willing to chip in for an event like that.  (Jul 16, 2012 | post #195)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Chris C., just because we did what we did doesn't guarantee anyone will go anywhere. And what WE did had nothing to do with the other leagues (you made reference to 6 teams). You know, as well as the other two guys, what we did. It would be so much simpler if you would just come clean. Sometimes you just gotta swallow your pride and admit when you do something wrong.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #174)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I appreciate the juvenile attempt to describe me as a disgruntled parent. You can believe whatever you'd like. Stop trying to make this into something it's not. Again, this isn't about who can dish the most insults. This isn't about questioning whether your "friends " are good people. Now that all of you have had time to coordinate your stories, I sense a bolder stance coming. I think most people are smart enough to realize that it took your involvement to spur them into concocting a plausible excuse. Until now, they've only been able to, as you say, "hurl insults". Really? Have you read all the posts? Who is making LYBA look bad? It's clear there is going to be no effort to have those three admit their transgressions. At least I know where I stand. And, now I know where you stand. I have only spoken the truth. The truth is what has all of you so stressed out over this. The truth is what you fear is making LYBA look bad. Spin it however you want...and keep making your jabs at me. I really thought you were going to be proactive and try to get to the bottom of this. What I am seeing is a collective effort to disguise the true events, and paint me as a disgruntled parent. Maybe I gave you too much credit. First you ridicule me for bringing this online. Then, after you find out I DID go through the proper channels, you assume there is no merit to our claims? Simply because DYB receives numerous complaints and lumped ours in the same category? Don't fool yourself. Do you really think we'd go through all this for a few lies? Seriously? Again, I agree with you. We can sit here and throw jabs all day. And get nowhere. I haven't changed my stance once since the beginning. You, however, seem to sway back and forth between common sense and public defender. One minute your admitting there are some problems that need to be addressed...the next your sticking up for your friends who you say are being "unfairly accused." Which is it? Telling the truth is not an unfair accusal. Again, spin this however you want. It changes nothing. If you care to meet face to face, with Roy, and discuss all of this and try to make things right in LYBA, I'd be glad to. If, however, you're going into this blind, only focused on attacking me and ignoring the truth, then don't waste your time.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #173)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Again, to correct you, my goal is not to present LYBA in the worst light possible. My goal is to right wrongs that were committed. And before you continue to imply that I am pursuing this to publicly deface LYBA, keep in mind that I followed the proper channels, both via emails and phone calls, beginning with the president of the board. I emailed all of the district chairmen, then the state chairman, followed by the National office. I followed the proper “chain of command.” This was not a knee-jerk reaction, nor was this the first resort. My intention has always been to correct a wrong that I was involved in. The failure to act is solely on the board of LYBA and the DYB chairmen who assumed this was simply an angry parent who would go away. “If the facts are as you claim, the Board should here it and deal with it. If you refuse to work within the league for change, then I can only deduce that your aim is to destroy not fix.” Well, I spoke with Roy numerous times about these issues. Do not try to paint me as a person with total disregard for the system or protocol. I fully understand the concept of chain of command, and followed the DYB chain of command in my pursuit to correct this issue. Starting this blog was the only way to get everyone’s attention. This is not what I wanted. I knew going into this that I was exposing myself and my family to the backlash of being a whistleblower. I am willing to accept that as long as the problems are fixed. I am the last one who wants to see LYBA dissolve and go away. I am also the last one that wants to see these problems continue. So, you can join the ranks of those who want to crucify me on this site. I am not standing on the outside hurling accusations. I have only presented the truth, and will continue to do so until something changes. Do not accuse me of refusing to work within the league for change. I have met with Roy numerous times, offering suggestions about different ways to conduct the draft that would eliminate the chances of these problems happening in the future. Ask him. “Oh, and one other thing. I have been through many drafts, and I fail to understand how the coaches in the "other" league sat idly by and allowed the top 12 players to be drafted into one league. That is a stretch of the imagination that I refuse to believe.” You will note in my post, I said the GOAL was to get as many of the 10-12 players as possible into the same division. We did not have the discussions in front of the American coaches. Of course every coach is trying to get the best players he can. Please don’t misconstrue my words in an effort to take away from the evident wrongs committed this past season. I agree that the board needs to fix some issues. Trying to sugarcoat what happened and put a spin on things isn’t the way to do so. Deflection is not a cure. Trying to make excuses is not a cure. Admittance would be a good start. I came clean…I don’t understand why they cannot? If you’d like to get together and discuss this, I’d be more than happy to oblige. I think it would be a good idea for Roy to join us. You know how to contact me.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #163)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Congratulations on your child's/grandchild's success in baseball. I agree that Chris Connor is a good coach. Cricket and Chris H. are great coaches, also. That has never been questioned. We have never questioned the coaches' abilities or dedication to the league and the kids.  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #159)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Mr. Read, with all due respect, I must vehemently disagree with your summarization of the events in question. First of all, the "deal-making " does not consist of "I won't draft the kid you want if you will leave this kid to me". Nor does it consist of "coaches have agreed among themselves for certain coaches (and their kids) to go to one league while others agree to go to the other league". Here is what actually happened: We discussed, many times over the phone prior to the draft, which players we thought were the best 10-12 in the league, and made a pact to attempt to draft them into the National league. The goal was to get those 10-12 plauers in the same division, between the four of us, to build the strongest all star team. There was no "deal-making " between divisions, either. Also, this was never eluded to as breaking a rule, but presented as an example of unfair/wrong practices that are happening. As for your comment on the boundary rule, there has been no misinformation posted, either. We have conceded the grandfather clause, as you will see if you go back and read the posts. AS for the two kids, who you say requested permission to play....they had been playing for the past few seasons, without requesting special permission. Nor did they request permission to play this season. They registered their kids, as they had every season before. They were denied, initially. It wasn't until the parents started emailing DYB that the decision was made to allow them to play, with the condition that they not be eleigible for all stars. There were a lot of questions floating around at that time, regarding the enforcement of the boundary rule, and the map was pulled from the website, which caused even more suspicion. As for the two parents who were denied the opportunity to coach, again, you were mislead. There was no erroneous interpretation by Roy. One of the dads in question does not have a good relationship with the three coaches in question, and it was an intentional decision to deny them the chance to coach based on their personal opinion of him. I questioned 1/2 of the heart and soul of LYBA about this very problem...his response was, and I quote "I questioned them on this. I had no control, I got outvoted on this one." I, too, have had many discussions with 1/2 of the heart and sould of LYBA, and have discussed every incident listed on this site with him, numerous times. I was also shocked to learn he was aware of these occurrences, but felt powerless to do anything. Keep in mind, there are other coaches who live out of district, so this "erroneous interpretation " that you refer to....was it selective? Why was it only "erroneously interpreted" for those two? I agree that, for the most part, there is much good being done by a select few for the benefit of all in LYBA. Most of us are thankful for everything the board does for the league, and the kids. Remember, good people do bad things, too. Good people sometimes slip up. That's the curse of being human. The correct thing to do is to identify the problem, and find a solution. The wrong thing to do is to have roundtable discussions in an effort to put a spin on things. I appreciate the attempt at a cover up. I am sure the timing has nothing to do with the phone call I received today, does it? I am the black sheep now. I am the Rosa Parks of LYBA. I am the one who is being attacked personally. My child has been attacked, multiple times, by your board members in question, on this site. I have voiced the concerns of many...many who fear reprisal against themselves or their kids if they speak out. Many who are afraid to rock the boat for fear of their kids not being treated fairly. Try to be objective: Do you really think I would subject myself, or my son and family, to all this just to tell lies about what happened? Your earlier posting, when you said, "Where there's smoke, there's usually fire" was correct. Keep that in mind....  (Jul 13, 2012 | post #157)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

It doesn't matter, we know who they are.  (Jul 10, 2012 | post #137)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I like the change to "they" when referencing yourselves. Consistent with their character is right....in your defense, all right. I have seen dozens of putdowns, attacks on children, personal attacks, etc on this forum. Yup, consistent with their (YOUR) character. You guys are still on your "sour grapes" rant, huh? Ridiculous accusations? Come on, man up. You three know what this is about. You three know what you did. I have spilled the beans, about our deal, and about your lies to other parents. Telling the truth is not "sour grapes." Telling the truth is the first step to, as you say, "elicit change." And you, sir, are supposed to be the Vp of the LYBA Board. Looking back through your past posts, though, I'm not sure you've represented DYB and LYBA in a positive manner.  (Jul 10, 2012 | post #136)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Again, I challenge you to list one example of how I've lied to, for, or against LYBA. Having a few parents get angry because I told the boys they should've been embarrassed about the way they played does not have anything to do with integrity. The only blemish on my integrity is that I agreed to go along with them in the first place. I am trying to right that wrong now. You guys are really good at dishing insults and put downs. I'm glad. Now you're all letting the public see the "real" face of LYBA. I won't engage you in such immature and idiotic antics. I will continue to be honest about what happened. I'll continue to pursue this until those three are off the board, and changes are made to prevent these practices from happening again. In an effort to...get this...make LYBA a better organization for our kids. But, please, continue with your stabs...let everyone see the mentality of those 3, and the current "face" of LYBA.  (Jul 10, 2012 | post #135)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Again...another fine example of LYBA support. Attacking a child. If nothing else, I can say you guys are consistent. All you can do is log on and spew insults. I should have added maturity level to integrity and honesty. Bringing them down to my level? Are you as ignorant as your post sounds? This isn't about personal attacks. This is about spreading the word about a problem within LYBA. Not personal attacks (which seem to be all "your" side can offer). face it, these guys are ruining LYBA. You can attack me all you want, it changes nothing. Remember, you and your beloved 3 are the face of LYBA, and people read this stuff....  (Jul 10, 2012 | post #134)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I agree 100%. I am sorry to have had to go to such extremes to expose these guys, but it has to be done. As long as they occupy positions on the board, making up a considerable percentage of the votes, the community is powerless to change things. Allowing active coaches to sit on the board has proven to be a mistake. There is too much temptation to bend the rules for their benefit, which is at the core of this issue. The examples listed on this site are not opinions, nor are they attempts at slander...they are accurate representations of events that have taken place. Most of us realize that board members are volunteers who only want to help our kids and keep the spirit of baseball alive and well in Lumberton. We also realize that those who hold positions on the board, and make the decisions that affect our children, should have a proven track record of integrity and honesty. I also agree that DYB/LYBA has a good set of rules, though not all inclusive, and too much authority is given to the board to "broadly " interpret those rules, and selectively enforce them as they see fit. I do appreciate all you've done for the league since its inception. Many kids have benefited from some great coaches, and board members, over the years, thanks to the efforts of yourelf and others. Righting this ship should be everyone's priority.  (Jul 9, 2012 | post #123)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I cannot say that I am shocked. It appears there are two (2) IP addresses responsible for nearly all of the voting against this thread. While we have remained steadfast in presenting only the truth as it pertains to wrongdoings within LYBA, it seems the opposition can only retaliate with slurs and lies. Now they have resorted to having one or two people log on over and over and vote, making the threads appear to be in their favor. LMAO. Just another example of their willingness to do anything it takes. It is of no consequence, as the votes mean nothing. The purpose of this site is to shed light on improprieties within LYBA, not count votes. So, please, continue the dishonesty....vote away!  (Jul 8, 2012 | post #119)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

Nowhere in Dixie Youth rules does it state a coach has to live in the district. However, these three made the decision to deny two coaches the opporuntiy to coach, citing the boundary rule as their reason. Also, in dealing with those same two coaches, they told them their kids could not play in LYBA, again citing (with a C) the boundary rule. When those two parents started complaining, and sent emails to Dixie Youth officials, those three backtracked and "changed " their interpretation of the rule, and told the parents the kids could play the regular season, but could NOT participate in All-Stars. Keep in mind, when these two parents started spreading the word about their kids being denies while another who lives out of district was allowed, the Board pulled the boundary map off the website, so no one could go on see for themselves. As for the boundaries rule, it has changed, and the "grandfathere d in" clause has been deleted, and is no longer active. Therefore, no one else who lives out of district will be allowed to play. They will make an exception for one person, but no more. I don't know whether (not weather) you consider the first examples rules violations, but they certainly are. They are also lies. Two dads were lied to regarding reasons they could not coach. Two dads were lied to, and were recipients of the Board selectively enforcing the boundary rule for their kids (who are BOTH excellent baseball players who would have made the all star team, for sure). As for the cheating (which also involves lying), look no further than the yearly meetings and secret deals to stack the all star teams. I sat in on these discussions, and agreed to participate in these deals. But, these are occurrences that have already been posted. Surely you read them? There are a few more, but this is not the time or place to open that can of worms. Don't worry, though, they're coming.....  (Jul 3, 2012 | post #115)

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Lying and cheating in Dixie Youth Baseball: Lumberton, NC

I have not "badmouthed " these coaches. I have simply stated true facts about things they have done. I, unlike you, am not posting things that were told to me in an effort to put someone down. Again, read the title of this post: Lying and Cheating in LYBA. The title is NOT "See who can dish the most insults." I am happy that baseball has been such a source of enjoyment for you and your family for so long, and hope it continues to provide many more years of enjoyment for all of you. You seem to like the fact that a few parents didn't like it when I told our boys they should be embarrassed? I hope the parents who were angered by my comment to our players do not plan to have their kids try out for school ball, as their kids will hear much worse when they play badly. As for your question about whether I would have started this post if my son had made the all star team: Please go back and read my original post. This was started after I was lied to. If they had been upfront and honest with me from the beginning, I might not have felt so wronged. It's not a question of who made it. Ask any of them, they will tell you that I told them that I understood if he didn't make it. I told them to let me know upfront, and I would not coach if he's not there. They told me not to worry, they were going with my picks. They made the decision to string me along until the night of the draft when I was in Florida, and had no intention of being upfront with me. And Roy West was the one who had to tell me...over the phone. That is why I felt compelled to start this post. Yes, I was part of the deal from the beginning, and feel guilty as hell for agreeing in the first place. I learned a valuable lesson. I also now feel I need to shed light on this common practice, but can only speak to the coaches that I have firsthand knlowledge of. I will not speak to the goings on in other leagues, as I was not privy to those deals. Please, in the future, take the time to read into the posts and understand WHY we are doing this before you make the assumption that we are simply hurling insults. Thanks for your insight.  (Jul 3, 2012 | post #112)