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Jehovah's Witness

present your position using scripture..........

Ok, tomorrow it is. I'll be back on here at around 4pm UK time, or between 8 and 11am in the USA. I'm at church in the morning, so won't be here then. I won't lose any sleep thinking about your challenge. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #15)

Jehovah's Witness

present your position using scripture..........

No one on this forum looks more stupid than you right now tsf. You're still fooled by the so-called "truth" preached by a few men in the watchtower society. The majority of us on here are no longer fooled by them. Don't try society publications on me, or out of context Scriptures, which you tend to do pretty much all the time. I don't believe the org, and I'll read texts in context. Just letting you know. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #11)

Jehovah's Witness

GARETH says "Manage pedophiles" WITHIN THE CONGREGATION.

The watchtower society should leave dealing with paedophiles to the police, not the elders. Unfortunately, that only happens when a victim reports the crime.  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #7)

Jehovah's Witness

soon and I can't wait

According to you he's already arrived invisibly, or has that changed as well?  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #35)

Jehovah's Witness

November 15, 2013 WT (Red Alert!)

Actually, we don't expect you to be perfect, which is as well since you never will be. We don't need to highlight your mistakes either, they are there for all to see in your publications. For example, prove from the Bible that only 144000 go to heaven, that there are two "classes " of Christians, that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914, that the governing body are the faithful slave, or whatever the current theory is about the generation, that one changes so often it's impossible to keep up with. You claim you have the truth, and the above are all watchtower society theories, so let's see proof, using the Bible only, and not quoting from your organisations literature. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #225)

Jehovah's Witness

present your position using scripture..........

What a load of rubbish! You titled this thread "present your position using Scripture". Well, you prove your quoted statement absolutely and conclusively from Scripture then. Your attempts to do this should be interesting... SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

present your position using scripture..........

tsf wrote I would not base my salvation on people's personal opinion Yes you do, you swallow everything the watchtower society teaches. You aren't allowed your own opinion anyway, your leaders would accuse you of independent thinking if you dared to express it. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #5)

Jehovah's Witness

November 15, 2013 WT (Red Alert!)

The watchtower society have admitted to being false prophets in the past... The Douglas Walsh Trial - Watchtower Admits False Prophesy in Court of Law In November 1954, a trial was held in Scotland, in which the Watchtower Society tried to establish before the British court that certain of its members were ordained ministers. High ranking leaders of the Society testified, including vice-president Fred Franz and legal counsel for the Society, Haydon C. Covington. Covington's testimony before the attorney for the Ministry of Labour and National Service included the following: Q. Is it not vital to speak the truth on religious matters? A. It certainly is. Q. Is there in your view room in a religion for a change of interpretation of Holy Writ from time to time? A. There is every reason for a change in interpretation as we view it, of the Bible. Our view becomes more clear as we see the prophesy fulfilled by time. Q. You have promulgated -- forgive the word -- false prophesy? A. We have -- I do not think we have promulgated false prophesy, there have been statements that were erroneous, that is the way I put it, and mistaken. Q. Is it a most vital consideration in the present situation of the world to know if the prophesy can be interpreted into terms of fact, when Christ's Second Coming was? A. That is true, and we have always striven to see that we have the truth before we utter it. We go on the very best information we have but we cannot wait until we get perfect, because if we wait until we get perfect we would never be able to speak. Q. Let us follow that up just a little. It was promulgated as a matter which must be believed by all members of Jehovah's Witnesses that the Lord's Second Coming took place in 1874? A. I am not familiar with that. You are speaking on a matter that I know nothing of. Q. You heard Mr. Franz's evidence? A. I heard Mr. Franz testify, but I am not familiar with what he said on that, I mean the subject matter of what he was talking about, so I cannot answer any more than you can, having heard what he said. Q. Leave me out of it? A. That is the source of my information, what I have heard in court. Q. You have studied the literature of your movement? A. Yes, but not all of it. I have not studied the seven volumes of "Studies in the Scriptures," and I have not studied this matter that you are mentioning now of 1874. I am not at all familiar with that. Q. Assume from me that it was promulgated as authoritative by the Society that Christ's Second Coming was in 1874? A. Taking that assumption as a fact, it is a hypothetical statement. Q. That was the publication of false prophesy? A. That was the publication of a false prophesy, it was a false statement or an erroneous statement in fulfillment of a prophesy that was false or erroneous. Q. And that had to be believed by the whole of Jehovah's Witnesses? A. Yes, because you must understand we must have unity, we cannot have disunity with a lot of people going every way, an army is supposed to march in step. Full story here: http://www.quotes- watchtower.co.uk/f alse_prophecy_admi tted.html It's not the only time they prophesied falsely of course, 1914/1925/1975 spring to mind.. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #156)

Jehovah's Witness

Woman sues Jehovah's Witnesses for alleged abuse

How about this then? http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=Dk6PB kFEeEI Did these elders act correctly? The judge didn't think so. Here's the newspaper version http://legacy.utsa ndiego.com/news/ri verside/20080407-1 442-molest.html SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #15)

Jehovah's Witness

soon and I can't wait

What do the domestics have to do with my comment? Why do you answer a sensible question or comment with a stupid one every time you start to type? Go back to being honesty, at least it didn't always talk in riddles. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #23)

Jehovah's Witness

GARETH says "Manage pedophiles" WITHIN THE CONGREGATION.

http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=Dk6PB kFEeEI These guys seem to have tried that!  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #2)

Jehovah's Witness

soon and I can't wait

No, the churches will continue to send out missionaries, and preach the good news in their home towns and cities until Jesus returns. Now if the watchtower society stopped preaching their rubbish, that would be good news for everyone, especially their followers, most of whom hate it. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #17)

Jehovah's Witness

November 15, 2013 WT (Red Alert!)

Just like all the watchtower society's theories then - a total failure! SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #91)

Jehovah's Witness

November 15, 2013 WT (Red Alert!)

Just think SOS, the org could have an anniversary party to celebrate 100 years of Jesus invisible return next year! Perhaps they can make it fancy dress, and all the brothers can dress up as Charles Taze Russell, while the sisters dress as his wife Marie! Of course, they have set a few dates since 1914, like 1918, 1925, the rather vague 1940's and 1975, but the difference is they abandoned those, while they have stuck determinedly to 1914 since the 1040's, having claimed that Jesus returned in 1874 prior to that. If all this date setting hadn't had such serious consequences for many who believed it, the theories would be almost funny. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #89)

Jehovah's Witness

November 15, 2013 WT (Red Alert!)

It could be almost anything or, more likely, nothing at all. Tsf, or honesty, Derek and several other personas, has proved itself to be a complete idiot on this forum on too many occasions to keep a count of. Now it's being a kind of drama queen as well. I wouldn't lose any sleep thinking what the "secret" might be if I were you. SQ  (Aug 17, 2013 | post #83)