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No respect for anything Cypriot

I wish nationalists from both sides wouldn't misuse my work. Thugs from both sides have done bad things to both communities (yes, including their own). Yet whenever someone links to my work on here, they only ever link to evidence of their own/favoured community's suffering. I witnessed and documented all communities' suffering. The nationalists who destroyed the multicultural society on Cyprus, and their own community, should be in hiding (if not in prison); and their ideological descendants should leave those communities - and my work - alone.  (Apr 19, 2011 | post #12)

Why the TC's dont begin an uprising....

Actually, there's a new book, called "the betrayed rebellion" (only in Greek at the moment, I believe), which discusses the many protests in the North that grew to be 80,000 strong at one point. http://www.talkcyp topic.php?t=5835 (You have to remember that the entire population of the North is only 200,000, so, proportionally, it's like twenty-four million protesters on the streets in the UK, when I think our largest ever protest was three million. Nearly half of all the men, women and children in the North were out.) /news/cyprus/cmnew s/2003/ news.html#01 At the time, the Cyprus Mail reported thatI haven't read the book, but the question(s) should probably be the one(s) that it apparently asks: why didn't the South protest in solidarity (and what would have happened if they had)?  (Dec 2, 2007 | post #11)

Turkey-Kurdistan war politics

It touches upon the roles of the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK), the Turkish government, the PKK (and PJAK), the Iraqi Kurdish administration (the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG)), the US, Iraq, Iran and Syria.  (Dec 1, 2007 | post #2)

17th November 1973

http://human-right 7th-november-1973- 2007.html This is a brief backgrounder on the Athens Polytechnic Uprising (although it feels like it should be in the British or U.S. fora, given our and their states' roles in events).  (Dec 1, 2007 | post #1)

democracy, coup, invasion

http://human-right emocracy-coup-inva sion.html This is a brief backgrounder to the Greek coup against and the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 (although it feels like it ought to be in the British or U.S. fora, given our and their states' roles in events).  (Dec 1, 2007 | post #1)

Cypriot society, Turkish politics: Afrika

http://human-right ypriot-society-tur kish-politics-afri ka.html It's a basic account of two days of nationalist rallies in northern Cyprus, including nationalists' redirection of popular feeling against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan (PKK)) against the pro-democracy voice of Afrika newspaper.  (Dec 1, 2007 | post #1)

Turkey-Kurdistan war politics

http://human-right urkey-kurdistan-wa r-politics.html It's a post about war and politics in and between Turkey and Kurdistan (Kurdish paramilitaries, the northern Iraqi Kurdish administration and the south-eastern Turkish Kurdish community).  (Dec 1, 2007 | post #1)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

I]If[/I] I'm "a Greek" and trying to influence people for Greek nationalist causes, why are the first six villages I've documented Turkish Cypriot ones desecrated and/or destroyed by the Greek Cypriots? Alevga http://alevga-comm unity-cultural-her / Aybifan http://ayios-epiph anios-cultural-her / Evretou http://evretou-com munity-cultural-he m/ Yukari Kurtbogan http://koutraphas- cultural-heritage. Lukrunu http://loukrounou- cultural-heritage. Mansura http://mansoura-co mmunity-cultural-h eritage.blogspot.c om/  (Nov 26, 2007 | post #495)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

I presume you mean uprisings by Christians and Muslims? Perhaps you meant Greek-speakers and Ottoman-speakers? Unfortunately, for you, their religious practices were very liberal and mixed (to the point that Cyprus had the Linobambakoi/Pamuk -Ketenler (Linen-Cottons) who considered themselves both Christian and Muslim). Many, if not most of them would have spoken at least Greek (the language of the street) and Ottoman (the language of the administration). Many would also have known Arabic (the language of the other main religion and some of the minority communities, like the Maronites) and/or Persian (the language of poetry), not to mention a host of little-spoken languages. The religious identities developed over a longer time, but national identification was relatively recent. In many ways, the revolts you're referring to were social and class rebellions, put down by anti-democratic, ruling classes - entirely devoid of national feeling until long after the event.  (Nov 8, 2007 | post #259)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

As far as I understand it, the Ottoman conquest of Cyprus was supported by the Cypriots, who were generally glad to be freed of [I]oppressive, Christian rule[/I]. Look at the number of Cypriots who were enslaved by the Catholics and freed by the Muslims. And, before you try it, the Ottomans did not grab the Orthodox churches and monasteries, either - they took the ousted ruling class's then-unused Latin churches and converted those to mosques. But no, Turkish nationalists, the Ottoman period was not a Golden Age either - particularly later on.  (Nov 8, 2007 | post #258)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

You've talked about 'the typical Turk mentality', 'them... murder[ing] Christians, for centuries, forc[ing] them to convert to Islam', when there is no such thing as a "Turk mentality" (http://www.topix. com/forum/world/tu rkey/T88HGAM89MQIB 0MTU/post30) - and later that 'they continually lie, cheat, steal and babble on as they did forever' (http://www.topix. com/forum/world/tu rkey/T88HGAM89MQIB 0MTU/post106)'. You said, 'I am anti-Turkish,(Govt , not people)', but then that, 'even a FUZCKIN’ Turk can see it', which is a slur clearly referring to Turkish people, not Turkish governments. (This is confirmed by the talk quoted above.) (http://www.topix. com/forum/world/tu rkey/T88HGAM89MQIB 0MTU/post77) You argued that /turkey/T88HGAM89M QIB0MTU/post106) Like earlier, you say you're not being bigoted, then say something blatantly bigoted. You said 'bravo to you for opening your eyes to the truth', as if they had been closed before. Not only is it patronising, it again shows that either you don't read what I'm writing - because it contradicts you, because it's informed, egalitarian and anti-nationalist - or you do, but tune out everything apart from the criticisms of the nationalists you're tilting against - because it's convenient. Either way, it doesn't paint you in a good light. (http://www.topix. com/forum/world/tu rkey/T88HGAM89MQIB 0MTU/post194I have nothing against your country - only against the what some of your institutions have done and continue to do and how they have done and continue to do it. All I have against you is your entire understanding of the worldNo, I'm just here for work. And I'm referring to your misguided or mischievous statements, not you personally as such /turkey/T88HGAM89M QIB0MTU/post243) No, the British have been and continue to be awful, but then again, I've never defended them. Still, civilians from both communities took refuge on the British bases during the conflict, so they have served some purpose. Nevertheless, I don't want them on the island. I wish they would leave and take the English tourists with them. It appears that, apart from any use you make of our sites - and any Cypriot ones under the control of the Republic, you have some kind of operation going on Cyprus, with the government paid off in "black money". (http://www.makari -A=1844&-V=eng lish) (http://www.makari -A=1426&-V=eng lish) So, we may have a mass of legal territory here (Again unjustly, I understand we're hugely in arrears for payment).  (Nov 8, 2007 | post #255)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

Beggars can't be choosers, no, but when the Turkish Cypriots made their choice, it was to live together with the Greek Cypriot community in a reunified Cyprus, not to remain under Turkish military rule. You really have to stop reducing all Greek Cypriots to EOKA. There may be Greek Cypriot nationalists, but there are also Greek Cypriot anti-nationalists. When Turkish Cypriot Sadik Aktan was beaten up, it was because he was talking to his Greek and Greek Cypriot friends and it was (by his own account) those friends who were attacked most violently by the GC nationalists. When the GC kids attacked the TC kids at the English School, it was the TCs' GC classmates who defended them and drove the GC nationalists awayFirst, killing someone for "betraying " you is not self-defence, but murder. Second, what did the peaceful Turkish Cypriot journalist, Kutlu Adali, who only campaigned for Turkish Cypriot freedom, security and democracy, do that counted as treacheryI've been to Murataga-Sandallar -Atlilar. Their relatives, descendants, friends and neighbours are part of the Turkish Cypriot community who voted for reunification. I want Turkish Cypriots to have what they want to have - peace, reconciliation and reunificationYou really are beyond reasoning with. It's a shame - you seem like you might have a lot to contribute to your community if only you could get past a blind hatred of an entire communityBy that logic, given Turkey wants to join the EU, Turkey wants to join Greece, too.  (Nov 7, 2007 | post #229)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

Remarkably, it wasn't an entirely serious statement. It was just a reference to the centres of the Turkish Cypriot community in Britain. ( glish/Collections/ Onlineresources/RW WC/themes/1295/128 3You praise the Turkish army and the TRNC, but Turkish Cypriots never had a free vote on the establishment of the TRNC and when they did have a vote, they voted for the disestablishment of the TRNC and the reunification of the island. If TCs in northern Cyprus lived in a democracy, they wouldn't have to worry about the Turkish army and the Grey Wolves. The reason I said you might consider moving to Turkey is because you praise the Turkish army and the way it does things. I thought you might prefer to live in the country country you praise so highly, that's had repeated military interventions in civilian government, that imprisons people for the kind of free speech we're engaging in here. If you enjoy civilian government and freedom of speech, you're better off staying where you areNo. Is it okay that the deep state killed Kutlu Adali, that Tansu Ciller-backed Grey Wolves killed Tassos Isaac? Is it okay to kill Turkish Cypriots as long as you're TurkishAgain, I've said I'm anti-EOKA - although it's only to people as futile-to-argue with as yourself that that would be necessary to state - and if you'd followed the links I provided earlier in the discussion you would have found my own photos of Turkish Cypriot villages destroyed by Greek Cypriot nationalist extremists - and, lest you forget, Greek Cypriot graves destroyed by Turkish Cypriot and/or Turkish nationalist extremistsIf by "backstabber " you mean honest and supportive of the majority of the Turkish Cypriot community, then I am a backstabber. Of course, it only exposes once more that it is you who is betraying the people you claim to defend as your own by supporting the occupation and separatism of the Turkish army and the TRNC in defiance of your own community's clearly expressed wish for reconciliation and reunification.  (Nov 7, 2007 | post #221)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

Still English... Milaw - ve konusabilirim - but that doesn't change the fact that I'm EnglishNever said or implied I was either Turkish or Turkish Cypriot - or Greek or Greek Cypriot or Charlie for that matter. Either you didn't read what I wrote, or you read something false that someone else wrote. Either way, you're confused, not correct.  (Nov 7, 2007 | post #220)

Cyprus: Portrait of a Christianity Obliterated

I'm not Greek. I'm English. I would have thought one of you would have recognised my accent, living in London and Kyrenia.  (Nov 7, 2007 | post #210)

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