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The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Silver Lining Award: First Place Trophy  (Mar 23, 2010 | post #45)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Just wanted to point this out... Representative Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), in explaining his recent switch to a ‘yes’ vote, said that the reason Obama wanted Health Care, is for the 30 Million people who can’t afford it. (I believe the number is overestimated, because I know Liberals) But OK, fine. Lets stick with the 30 Million figure. The most recent figure from the Congressional Budget Office (abbreviated ‘OPM’ which stands for ‘Other People’s Money’) is that this Bill will cost $940 Billion over the next 10 years. So lets do the math - $94 Billion PER YEAR!!!, to cover 30 Million people... ... per year. Population estimates are 300 Million people in America. If you handed everyone in America $1 Million a year, in salary, you would have $93 Billion, 700 Million left over, EACH YEAR! (People could afford Health Care then, couldn’t they?) You could even just keep stretching out the remainder of that money left over at the end of each year, rolling that surplus over to the following year. How many years into the future could 300 Million people in America have a $1 Million Dollar per year salary? With all the multiplied $$$$$Trillions of Dollars in spending bills Obama signed in 2009 to ‘help’ the economy, and this $940 Billion dollar piece of artwork just passing, how much money has the Obama Administration put on America’s Credit Card... ...in just 426 days of his first term? And it’s so good to see all that money put to such productive, fiscally sound, well managed good use. (Aren’t you even a LITTLE curious where your Tax dollars go?) Isn’t Obamanomics wonderful? It’s like magic. $$$ Gazzillions of $$$ Dollars disappear *poof* into thin air.  (Mar 22, 2010 | post #43)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

I’m sure there were other factors involved in that, such as the percentage of Congressional seats held by Democrats and Republicans, and economic factors such as the Dot-Com industry and other things, but I would rather just say that you and I agree with each other. Give Credit where credit is due. At the end of the Bush Administration (8 years of ‘reaching across the isle’), according to the CBO, deficit spending was at about 500 Billion. At the end of ‘09 with a Democrat Supermajority in the Senate, a Democrat controlled House, and a Democrat President, the Obama Administration was unchecked, and tripled our deficit to 1.85 Trillion at Warp Speed in a single year. With all the earmarks, incidental spending, hidden costs, and potentially things in those ‘Stimulus packages’ which probably won’t take effect for a few years (a typical Liberal legislation component), we might as well just say 2 Trillion. But that would be an unfair exaggeration, since I have something in common with Congressmen – I haven’t read anything in those Bills, either. We’ll just agree that Liberals have given us the current 1.85 Trillion debt.  (Mar 13, 2010 | post #36)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

That implies that I would continue to rant like this, once the Christian-bashing stops. I already said that I don’t mind a difference of opinion. (I believe in Free Speech) But a difference of opinion isn’t the same as someone wanting to use Christians for abuse on some anonymous Internet Forum. You just don’t want the Christian-bashing to stop, do you? (you kind of enjoy it) In your next post, tell me I’m wrong about that, and how much I have completely misunderstood you.  (Mar 13, 2010 | post #35)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

personal finance worries market driven”???? Aren’t yours? Anyway, here’s a few examples of Congress Exempting themselves from laws they pass - Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action (sorry if this first one stings a bit) Building Safety Codes OSHA The Federal Minimum Wage You can read more about it in this article. (Liberals quote the media as Scripture, so I thought this should be a bulletproof enough source) http://www.time.co m/time/magazine/ar ticle/0,9171,96742 7,00.html If that isn’t enough to convince you, the current debate over ‘Health Care’ involves Congress naturally exempting themselves from the Single Payer system they’re trying to make the rest of us live under. Because nobody is stupid enough to live their lives according to Liberalism. Lets suppose you work at a Factory, and the owner called everybody together for a meeting and said, “Congress has offered Tax incentives for every new employee hired, and in a speech to the Export-Import Banking conference, President Obama wants America to double it’s exports, so that’s exactly what we’re going to do at this Factory. We’re going to hire twice our staff to both qualify for the Tax incentive, and additionally help us to double our exports. Two birds, with one stone.” Because you don’t live your life as a Liberal, (every dollar you have is from Capitalism), you raise your hand and ask, “Is the Tax incentive going to cover the long term salary of each person you hire?” And the boss says, “No, the tax incentive is a limited ‘one time only’ compensation.” So these new-hires have to be temporary, and then laid off when the money runs out, or your employer can choose to operate at a financial loss prior to increased sales. (Which is backwards – sales improve first, and THEN hiring can be justified, unless you follow backwards Obamanomics) Because you live in the real world, you ask another question: “If we double our exports, do we have the sales to support that?” The boss says, “No, but if we let every set-back dictate our goals, we couldn’t move forward with a blueprint for success.” You ask another question, “What are we going to do with twice the product we’ve made?” The boss says, “We’re going to rent storage space until the economy improves, which will eventually produce sales supporting the costs associated with doubling our Exports.” The boss is talking about operating in the red by choice, but you ignore that in disbelief, and start wondering how an improved Domestic Economy (which the President is working on, right?) will be helpful to your situation, when Obama wants to double our ‘exports’ to someplace else. The worst thing that can happen to your job is if the boss actually runs the business according to Liberalism. You won’t have a job for long. Businesses ALWAYS (<---italics) run things according to Capitalism, because when customers have a choice, they shop around and buy things according to price, customer service, availability, quality – you know, all the things that a Communist Government universally ignores with a Controlled Market. You know all about doing your shopping in a Free Market (the opposite of a Controlled Market), because nobody is stupid enough to live their lives according to Liberalism. Even Liberals draw the line somewhere.  (Mar 13, 2010 | post #34)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Hello angelina - I’m not the least bit oversensitive. And he didn’t use humor to “disguise” his vitriol, it was ‘in addition to’ his comments to me. If you had phrased your question, “do you not think our society today is overly desensitized?”, I would say yes. The infiltration of bad language is why you have 10 year olds walking around in stores swearing like Construction Workers. You know the bad language I mean. It’s listed in that famous monologue from George Carlin: “The Two Words You Can Never Say On Television”. (it used to be ‘Seven’ words, but I brought it up-to-date) Bad words are becoming the new English language. When people use profanity here on the Christian Forum, it may seem like no big deal (to the non-Christians), because all they’re doing is ‘speaking English’, and ‘quoting movies’. Profanity is used by people aggressively in an attempt to dominate the other person. That’s why people use filthy language the most when they get angry at someone. Isaiah saw in a vision the Lord sitting upon His throne, and said, “Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.” [Isaiah 6:5] Isaiah immediately became aware of his bad language. (unclean lips) When you’re not controlled by your anger, you are now free to make your own decisions based upon the Word of God, and are not tempted to give in to your temper just so you can try to dominate someone by using profanity. That’s why if someone from this site were to put their bigotry toward Christians aside, everything would be forgotten (as far as I’m concerned), and I have no problem at all becoming good friends with anybody. There but for the Grace of God, go I ! But that doesn’t mean that the truth about atrocious behavior, shouldn’t be told. As a side note, I noticed that you responded to Lisa-Ann by using the word ‘survival’ twice. If words like ‘survival’, and concepts involving ‘coping skills’ are required to post on the Christian Forum, then perhaps I’m on target after all. Have you ever noticed that the more vile a person is here, the less they worry about ‘survival’? That’s because their mental illness has found a home here, but anyone else has to ‘cope’ with this place.  (Mar 13, 2010 | post #33)

Flying Spaghetti Monsterism

Flying Spaghetti Monster finally getting some attention

Performing another software test. You can’t make an Omelet without breaking some eggs. (If you know how to make an Omelet without breaking eggs, please let me know)  (Mar 13, 2010 | post #290)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Is everyone paying attention to this post? This is how you volunteer as the poster child for my original post that started this Thread. I did not ask for volunteers, but it’s gratifying to know that people will raise their hand anyway, and say, “Pick me! Pick me!” par five’s post was straight forward in it’s vitriol, there was lame (albeit a reasonable attempt) at humor utilizing ‘bunny slippers’, and a misunderstanding that the Christian Forum is actually more my venue than his, although currently his indulgence in Fundie-bashing seems to be mistaken for the usual Evangelistic invitation Christians typically give to all people. And naturally, profanity seems to be a part of his vocabulary. (Like they say in the Great State of Tennessee, “When you throw a rock into a pack of angry dogs, the one that cries out the loudest is the one that got hit”) One can only hope his manners are more refined at the dinner table.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #23)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Is everyone paying attention to this post? This is how you disagree with me. Obviously Punisher and myself don’t agree with things, but Punisher’s post was straight forward, there was not real hatred of me personally (not any that was highlighted over and above Punisher’s opinion), and the points in this post were a reasoned response to specific points I had made earlier. Punisher and I both think the other is completely wrong, but this sort of disagreement can be a very healthy starting point for a spirited debate on the substance of specific issues.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #22)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

Yes. But the focus of the moderation only regards priorities related to the LLC business interests of Topix. (No complaint from me – I’m a Capitalist) I don’t get irritated at people who have different beliefs than I do. (I’m a believer in Free Speech) But that’s not what you have here. You have Free Hatred, and Free Mental Illness. Do you cure a Heroin addiction by giving the person have as much Heroin as they want? People who Christian-bash will simply go at it with more zeal when they think their behavior is given some sort of validation when moderators remain silent. (silence from authority is often interpreted as approval) When I come here (which is not often anymore) I just like to point out that their Christian-bashing is not to be validated. The biggest hypocrisy here, comes from the people who are viciously anti-Christian who live here only to attack Christians. That’s their primary goal, and sole motivation. Some of the people here who call themselves Atheists, are former Christians. Which means you have somebody who wasn’t a Christian, then becomes a Christian, then they renounce Christianity to become an Atheist and then they hang around here only to throw insults at Christians, and pat each other on the back at the ‘clever’ insult they just gave. You have Christians here who are still believers, but they are too fearful of the world to step out in boldness and risk getting ‘on the bad side’ of the worldly non-Christians here, so when the Atheists throw insults at Believers, the luke-warm Christians join in (in a very subtle way) and sort of ‘hold the coats’ of the Atheists while they throw insults at fellow Christians, and then they then want to fellowship with these other Christians at other times. (Perhaps these Christians are trying to reach out to unbelievers in their own way, but don’t know how to do it the right way, so they choose that? I don’t know, just guessing) You have Christians who are very strong in their Faith, and there is no chance of them ever renouncing their Faith in the Savior, and they respond to the wickedness with the right kind of grace and peace... ...but their example to unbelievers here is hindered by the weak Christians who want to be friends with the world. (that’s probably what irritates me more than anything) You have people who are brand new to this Forum, and don’t have a strong foundation of Faith in the Savior, so their Faith is easily shaken, (and possibly destroyed), by those Atheists whose own Faith has been ruined by the Enemy, and take great satisfaction in the ‘victory’ of destroying the Faith of a weaker person. (that also irritates me) What’s the solution to this whole mess? Since there is essentially no moderation focusing on behavior, the best Witness we could give to the world is for Christians to moderate themselves here. An attempt at starting a group of Believers to do this is located here. (the first two posts describe everything) http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ christian/TT636AI8 1HLOTRBFL This endeavor was eventually abandoned (which is fine with me, I was just offering suggestions), but that would solve the whole problem. You could still have an essentially un-moderated Forum, and you could still have people posting anything they wanted to, but you could at least have one group of Believers that could be a light in a dark place. This method worked in the early Church in Rome, it worked with the Reformation, it works on the Mission Fields of the world today, and it’ll work here. But until then, the Christian Forum is currently the best example that unhindered sin drags the whole place down with it. Just because this is the Internet, doesn’t mean God won’t hold us accountable for souls, later.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #21)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

That’s what Wheeler wrote; but let me add the following (and it’s worse!) Please note, that in the middle paragraph above, Wheeler quotes the amount of $4 Trillion for the Annual Federal Budget (the actual number is 3,518 Billion, fiscal year 2009). His numbers are calculated for a $4 Trillion figure. That is not, however, the National Debt. (which is MORE!) We are currently at 12 Trillion (give or take a few hundred Billion) in overall public Debt, so the calculated results in the above paragraphs are all 3 times that much. In other words, the amount we currently owe is a stack of tightly packed $100 dollar bills 9,468 miles tall. Commercial Jet Liners have a Service Ceiling (highest operating altitude) of just under 8 miles (42,000 feet), so that stack of $100 dollar bills is 1,183 times HIGHER than jets can fly, or only half the distance between the ground, and Satellites which orbit at approx. 22,000 miles. To pay off our National Debt ($12 Trillion) at a dollar a second, would take 384,000 years. However, our National Debt (as of December of 2009) was increasing at a rate of $1 Million Dollars EVERY MINUTE. Therefore, at a dollar a second, if we pay off $60 dollars worth of debt, we are left with the balance of $999,040 each minute. I wonder how long it will take (with interest on the debt compounded each fiscal year) to reach the 22,000 mile satellite altitude? I would say that all government debt accumulation, needs to come to a grinding halt IMMEDIATELY! Every time these characters in Congress sign their name to another piece of legislation (which they exempt themselves from) pushes our country closer to the edge of that economic cliff. Liberals exempt themselves from the laws they pass, because nobody is stupid enough to actually live their lives according to Liberalism. (Just as Al Gore) Even though Liberals think that Government money is something Congress gets out of some ethereal ATM at the push of a button with no consequences, the rest of us have to live under it. Liberals listen to NPR and read ‘Rules for Radicals’ and think the solution to everything is more government spending. Unless you’re a Congressman that can exempt yourself from all this, you have to live under this garbage the same as the rest of us, but unfortunately when the economic machinery in America finally implodes under it’s own weight from factors neither you nor I understand, but are hidden in Wall Street that drive the economy, and you show up at the gas station to put gas in your car, and you have no clue why all the stores are closed, and the 20 dollar Bill in your wallet is worthless, there will still be hope for you... ...just demand that Congress simply pass another $Trillion Dollar Thingy.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #20)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

The only people who don’t understand why Democrats in Congress are walking on egg shells right now, are Liberals who don’t understand why Ted Kennedy’s seat went to a Republican. The ‘money just grows on trees’ Liberalism is bankrupting us. In the year 1913, if you purchased an item for a dollar, in 2010 that same item would cost you $21.89. There has been a 2088% increase in the rate of inflation since 1913. The numbers we’re using to describe our National Debt are LITERALLY astronomical. NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory has found the most distant galaxy cluster at a distance of 10.2 Billion light years away. One Light Year is equivelent to 5,878,630,000,000 miles, or we could round it off to a nice 6 Trillion Miles worth of distance. But that’s just ONE light year! Now you multiply 6 Trillion, by 10.2 Billion, and that’s the distance (in miles!) to that Galaxy Cluster. Those SAME NUMBERS that Astronomers use to describe how big the Universe is... ...are the SAME NUMBERS we’re using to describe our National Debt. (how much money we OWE!) Most people (myself included) don’t really appreciate what these large numbers mean. A Billion seconds ago was 1959. A Billion minutes ago was the time of Christ. From Carl Wheeler - “For a little more perspective about the number one billion, the current number of stars in the Milky Way is estimated to range from 100 to 400 billion. A tightly packed stack of new $100 dollar bills totaling a billion dollars would be 4,000 feet high or about three Sears Tower buildings stacked one on top of each other. A stack of new $100 bills totaling one trillion dollars would be 789 miles tall or about equal to the distance from New York City to Chicago, Dallas to Atlanta, and Los Angeles to El Paso, Texas or the distance from Washington, DC to Jacksonville, Florida. One trillion dollars is truly a huge amount of money. To pay off a trillion dollars of debt at a dollar a second would take about 32,000 years. This year’s Federal Budget just reached the 4 trillion dollar mark. That amount of money made up of tightly stacked new $100 bills would stack 3,156 miles high, about equal to the distance from Anchorage, Alaska to Honolulu, Hawaii or from Boston, Mass. to Ireland, England, or Spain. Almost unbelievable isn't it? For any young people reading this, at the present rate of government spending (about $53,900 a second or $4.657 billion a day) each and every one of you will have to pay the government a minimum of $100 more a week for the rest of your life just in new taxes (or what ever they will call it) just to make a dent in what they are planning to spend. That does not count the future increased cost of electricity, water, gas, heating oil, gasoline, and food that is attached to this environmental (cap and trade) program. It is estimated that the average family of four will pay an additional $20,000 per year for these items by 2035 due to cap and trade. This is without any personal extra benefit over what you have right now. That does not include the cost of the medical insurance you will be forced to buy whether you want to or not and the new taxes that will go along with this so-called free medical coverage for everyone.”  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #19)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

6,114 posts, and the only thing you can manage is that? Are you worn out or something?  (Mar 3, 2010 | post #11)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

I guess when you don’t have a clue how to put things into words, profanity fills in the blankity blank blanks for you. I imagine filthy foul language is quite handy when you have no creativity. I don’t use words like that, so unfortunately I have to compensate with originality.  (Mar 3, 2010 | post #10)

Christian

The Christian Forum - a Fortress of Free Speech

I’m glad you loved that post. It’s good to see you too, and you are missed on our other web site. I’m about halfway through the book. (my first post on this Thread was easy; REAL writing is hard!) I honestly believe that this place has contributed to souls being lost, but I’m sure glad there are Christians like you, and others here, who want to keep the damage down to a minimum.  (Mar 3, 2010 | post #9)

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