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LAWTEST100 I have been going over Dante's "Divine Comedy", a bit as of late, and in one area of Hell is a realm of those who are basically devoid of spirituality, it is in an upper region, so it is not down deep. Although denial of God, and God's existence is somewhat mid-way down the hole, as I recall, it is mainly in a place of personal torment, as opposed to the deeper realms where the mischievous demons torment..... Peace  (13 hrs ago | post #676742)

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Greetings I sort of resist addressing you because of your name tag. It is difficult for me....As for someone giving me negative icons...., they belong to those who give them. I don't pay attention to them. I haven't for a long time..... I have seen one or two of your posts, and mainly pass them by, to be honest with you, since your "apparent " negativity towards Jesus not being a Jew, or something like that, is rather radical to me. So perhaps it is better to try and understand your reasoning behind this belief/understandi ng of yours, so that I can write in a way that I can be understood as well.... Yet this I can bear, perhaps I just don't understand what underpins your name tag, or the reasoning behind it....Could you explain a bit? And thank you for your agreement with the assessment of murder versus killing in the Ten Commandments. It does require some hard decisions for those of rather timid ways. If preferable, it might be the case also that to lay one's life down is preferable to killing as well. This of course can make a decision much more difficult as well.... Peace  (13 hrs ago | post #676741)

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Good afternoon LAWTEST100 I too have had a long written relationship with NASL. So I know of what you write here. What is perhaps most impressive is his unwavering belief in a rather empty set of beliefs in the perceptions and apparent reality of Creation, and not in a Creator. More or less it is sort of an Epicurean hodgepodge of beliefs, that would deny even a level of quantum reality in sub-atomic levels.... Against quantum reality, I think he has no response, though accepted scientifically, and mathematically already. It is sort of like talking to someone that still believes the earth is flat, or that relativity(Einstei n's theory), does not exist. For this reason, the irony of the name intrigues me because "New Age" would represent those that are up to date with recent discoveries in science, and "Spiritual " would mean some form of religion( at the very least). These two terms, are not in his thinking, but rather more based in something that is old(what one can sense is the only reality), and being rather "anti-religio us" in the sense of denial of religion(in this case Christianity).... A very confusing and contradicting set of descriptions....lo l. Peace  (14 hrs ago | post #676738)

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Good afternoon confrinting I am not sure how to reply this statement of yours... So if one belongs to a religious organization, does that mean that because they are all guilty of child abuse, or one should not belong to a religious organization? If that is true, then there would be no Christian gatherings in the first place, especially since a Christian knows they are a sinner, repentant though he/she may be..... Peace  (14 hrs ago | post #676731)

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Good afternoon LAWTEST100 More or less, it is a good test of one's character to interact with NASL. His belief system in perception of self/Self, as being the center issue does make for a challenge. In some aspects he is correct. But in others his reliance on "facts" and "citations " makes communicating difficult, as these can be time consuming to gather or relate to in spiritual matters. The irony is that if one carries the name "Spiritual " in their name as NASL does, and yet denies spirituality, the contradictions never ends..... We have come to some mutual understandings, especially limitations in our discussions, but I enjoy his responses. They are at least challenging, but perhaps a bit repetitive.... In general, however, I find that he is one of the most responsive, in replying to posts. Most others, have either limited time, or seek the easy way, rather than be challenged to go deeper into their spiritual walk. I come and go on Topix..., time and effort permitting..... Peace  (15 hrs ago | post #676725)

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Good evening Phooey Perhaps not the content has changed, but the language has changed significantly since 1611. As an example, one of the Ten Commandments...., very short.....Thou shalt not kill. Because of the corruption of the language, this has produced a corruption in our thinking when it comes to this commandment. And it has made for much confusion. Of course we know now that it should be, "Thou shalt not murder.", is something quite different than killing. So for a young person taught not to kill, has produced some sort of "non-violent, peace-movement, or deference to go into the military by some, and not fight. But if fighting to protect life, even the environment is necessary to take a life, then this is not murder. The classical argument here is if someone would have known Hitler would come to power and trigger WWII, even make it, then wouldn't it be better to have taken his life, than sacrifice 50 million people? Those who have the "kill/murder " issue unresolved would allow Hitler to essentially make WWII. And IMHO, this will be true in the future as well.... Peace  (Thursday | post #676652)

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NASL There you go again, can't take metaphors and allegories, always on the literal, and perception of the senses! You would have a tough time taking calculus, or quantum physics in college....I loved calculus, in fact, I just cracked open the old college book and got reacquainted with the subject.....Never got to take quantum physics though, but I am familiar with some of it..... Time to learn for you, what I already know, but just brushing up on some details of the "power" of calculus....Learn to love integrals and differentiating functions....Its the KEY to understanding change.....So I invite you to change, after all these years of remaining the same, and grow a little in understanding..... Peace  (Thursday | post #676649)

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Good evening NASL Since most have heard about quantum physics, but know little about the subject, I thought it appropriate to use quantum(that "mystery ") in a way which might catch someone's eye. Not to deceive, but to make one ponder or wonder at how God can create something which is unpredictable, to us....The word in itself updates our language and understanding of the universe. And (if) God created this universe(perhaps many), then it is far beyond our ability to understand, and therefore predict..... Quantum is a scientific word, but merely describes the mechanics of the universe in which we live. So it is not God, but only a pale description, of something which we have yet to fathom.... Peace  (Thursday | post #676647)

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Good evening LAWTEST100 I am doing fine, and very busy, and haven't had much time to come and sit for awhile, and discuss things in depth. I hope all is well with you...? Peace  (Thursday | post #676640)

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Good afternoon NASL Its a quantum wafer....Those things we cannot observe sub-microscopicall y, although they exist, cannot be dismissed, and can change is a substantial way. That is why there is a threshold of acceptable proof in many anecdotes. In scientific terms consider it like neutrino oscillations.....I will not describe, but just read the first few sentences in wiki.....(or read the whole article) https://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Neutri no_oscillation Peace  (Wednesday Aug 24 | post #676439)

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Good afternoon NASL So, "why can I be honest is this, but not that?", you ask. In the first place, I don't really understand what you mean by the "creation of the Bible, biblical texts, what Jesus taught, and many others.....This is a rather vague list. Perhaps I do agree with you in some degree, but is this of real importance? As for the "incompletene ss of the Bible and the teachings of Jesus". That is up for grabs, because it is an opinion....As for me, I rather think that is my own lack of understanding and knowledge, after 40 years of reading and studying the Bible, with some successes and failures, which assures me that the Bible is complete. Or that is has been completed. And the same is true of the teachings of Jesus. So this leads me back to your first remark, "creation of the Bible".... My assurance is this, that when I am led in the Bible, and discover something wonderful, it means that although it has been there, I am just now discovering something new to me. For instance, I have been meditating on where Jesus and the disciples(and they gathered in the same place after Jesus' death and resurrection as revealed in Acts of the Apostles), as well as many others were, while he/they taught, which is at Solomon's Porch. And now, many things make more sense to me now, than in the past 40 years. And...., this is an ongoing reorganization within my understanding of Jesus, what he taught, and the circumstances that are so precise, that a mere mortal could not be creative enough to write such a thing. I mention this "creativeness ", as a counterpoint to your "creation of the Bible" posit in this post. This understanding is still in a process, and so I cannot put into words yet the significance, though it has been more like a bright full moonlit night with all the stars upon the earth, and I see a little more clearly now than just a week ago.... If this is just anecdotal concerning myself, then fine. But at some threshold, many anecdotes congeal into an acceptable and reliable source of information. And such it is with the Bible, although many views in a particular place and time through history have shown, the Bible has and is an acceptable and reliable source. Rather it is that our fate is not in the stars, but in ourselves, and our shortness of insight, and fear of failure that prevents us from completing through the night, our watch, while we live..... Peace  (Tuesday Aug 23 | post #676287)

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Good afternoon Peter I am finding your statements a little difficult to digest, that is to break down into something I can understand. The reason I say this is because it was the Church(religion) that founded the college system in Western thought in Europe, as far back as about 500 AD, but of course changed through the years. Reason/logic, grammar, rhetoric being the Trivium, along with the Quadrivium made up the courses in medieval times....So, if you think, that reason, logic and rational thought are missing, then it has not been caused by religion, but rather deviated from a foundation that is religious in nature(and of nature). I tend, however, to agree with you that these areas are lacking in modern society, which IMHO, means that modern society is less educated than it appears, at least in our situations. ( I know, for instance like in Norway, more emphasis is made on teaching pupils to think, as opposed to here in the U.S., a rather pale imitation of higher "learning " takes place, mainly by repetition and memorization.) So, instead, if we go to a museum, and see all the great thinkers of the past, who came out of European religious colleges, and think how much more deeply they thought, than we do now, we may instead make ourselves the "embarrassing footnote in human history", as you write, instead of religion. As a quick example, modern theory on multiverses( multi-universes), has already been thoroughly covered by St. Anselm, in the late 1000 A.D. So it may be time to go back and see what people like Anselm thought, and see how wanting we are.... Peace  (Tuesday Aug 23 | post #70661)

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Good afternoon NASL In general, I have come to know through the writings of most people on here, who will respond, and who will not, and more or less their intentions in what they write. That is merely an accumulation of observations. Sometimes, quite rarely, someone will "admit" their beliefs are up to question. But in general, this is more an internal dialogue one goes through.....the "questioning " process. I would not say that it is "doubt", as you write, but instead "questioning ", or under scrutiny. Most long term people on this forum are have hardened positions. And I suppose that is better than having no position, or a twisted position on something. To seek to mend the error of one's own thoughts can be difficult, especially when unsolicited advice is given. It first of all requires some admission of "not knowing everything". The ego, doesn't like that at all. But it is a place to start....And as I wrote then one vectors from that position, from point A to point B. If someone jumps off the boat, just make sure they have a life preserver on.... Peace  (Tuesday Aug 23 | post #676218)

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Good morning Phooey I really wasn't expecting, or rather let me say, I am surprised by your answer. It sounds like a very distant way of indirectly calling into question, and judgement the character of someone else. In short, assassination of character, in colloquial terms. But in religious terms, this would be like judging another, or the intent of murdering someone's character, in short murder, or calling someone "Raca". I point this out, because I see in your writings this rather divided sense of who you believe are right and who are wrong, rather than doing so in a helpful way, it is in an accusatory way. It is like you can stand far away and yell how bad, and how much you hate the sin of someone, rather than seek reconciliation, by communicating with sincerity. I should hope that in the future, you take the time to consider more carefully what you think, and then write.... Peace  (Tuesday Aug 23 | post #676142)

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Good morning NASL I frankly doubt I will get an answer. Or that it was simply a wrongly worded sentence. But, the question in the end goes deeper, not concerning inspiration, but rather, "Who does one consider holy?" It is a sort of question in the opposite way of, Who one thinks a sinner is? Yet Biblcally speaking we are called holy, and called into a process of becoming holy, while on the other hand that emergence is from being a sinner(be they many or a few sins). So there is a vector, or a direction and speed/acceleration from point A to point B involved here, in a mathematical sense. And in answering the question correctly gives direction, then the action will achieve through time a certain distance in holiness, while alive. Peace  (Tuesday Aug 23 | post #676141)