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Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

I didn't even want to waste 2 pages...the ink on this...LOL.. Until you can produce a animal or planet from "nothing " Then I will be impressed. At best, you can only muniplate the enviroment around you. And find and combine things. ..LOL I get back later..:)  (Feb 19, 2011 | post #625)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Basically I have been challenging some of absolutes on both sides. And how to allow both sides to exist within the education system. Saying that. I agree in keeping the science of Evolution separate. While having other curriculum that may cover aspect of Creationists view point "including " various religions/cultures , etc. Even if it is more of a "INTRO"( Not preaching). This would allow students more knowledge to interact with other cultures. But your refer to "Western Civ, Comparative Religions, Mythology" cover this issue. As long as thinking is allowed...LOL And the science leads to where it leads. With no ideology agenda. And is verifiable and reproducible, No problem. I've found some view points in support of the scientific Evolution. To be just like a religion with a matter of fact, without question. I'm not talking about disruption of a classroom, but input/questioning. I agree with the "continuously on Evolution". Due to idea of never stop questioning/learni ng/researching, etc. And following up on new information, findings, etc. But, One of my points is Evolution in-and-of itself, doesn't cover other factors that have influenced the human development. From my prospective. You can still have a creator and Evolution. Reason: Since there is only so far that science can go back (at this time). You can have Evolution picking up where creation left off (basically). Since science doesn't have the ability to create something from "nothing ". And most theories about the creation of the planet, humans, etc. Still need "something " to be present, before it will work, (generalizing). So the creator can address the creation of the planet, humans, the Universe, etc. .... Just joking here. ....Also in science, and in "some" religions. There was a "time frame" for the creation of the planet, humans, etc. The UFO thing was just covering another view point. -- Thanks you for your detailed input/reply. ...Later..:) I Apologize for not address all your question. Just wanted to reply back.  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #623)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

I was going to stay with the church and State. Until you decide to play the amendment cared ..LOL You should read "The First Amendment" again. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". The idea to keep from having a Nation wide "mandated " religion. Since England did have one. Plus various or colonies/States had there on recognized religions. But it doesn't state "NO" religion, or class covering various religions. http://topics.law. cornell.edu/consti tution/first_amend ment http://thomas.loc. gov/home/histdox/f edpapers.html and University of Michigan-Dearborn is another. --- If no religion is recognize. Then why do university try to accommodate and spend public funds to accommodate students from other countries? Because of there culture and the religion. The double standard of the Education Institution is getting louder every day. e.g. http://www.nytimes .com/2007/08/07/ed ucation/07muslim.h tml The bottom line. There is recognition. Just different groups and different education institution. Along with there different logistical issues and accommodation. There is no problem in accommodating. To a certain point. Just asking to be consistent for allsee next replyI agree. If the States went in that direction. And keep science from being contaminatedLOL Reference suing..There are few million other things to push the issue. If that was needed. That isn't the answer and doesn't solve anything. Besides, seems demonstrations are the in thing....just kidding. Due the changes in migration. You/we will have to deal with the issue. It is not going away. Or you may find you solve one problem and created another. Later ...:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #598)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Actually, I originally was only covering the aspect of different view points. But when Evolution is being "sold" as Fact. Then, that where with no decision. I don't see anything different with Science and the Religion. So, that why I started getting into the Nettie Gritty. into the Nettie gritty of the research. I personally don't have a problem with teaching Evolution. And to me, having the Evolution as facts attitude is backing the Science field into a corner. Even for other Scientist, research, educators, etc. You and others may be good at what you do. But there others that mite have ideas or questions that haven't been covered. Be it Evolution or Creationism" Because I do not want a specific religion to dictate FACT either. Later...LOL  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #524)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

LOL So little time before decision day. Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #513)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

How about Australian Aborigine and Dakota. For a start. Lets do something different...LOL  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #511)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Yep, we heard a lot of "FACTS" from the science community in the past. Until science proved them wrong. I suppose there is still 9 planets. And the Sun still rotates around the world... They scientific belief as a Fact. Only will limit future funding. Unless you can justify regurgitating scientific research. Sounds like a limited employment or field. If "ALL" the FACTS" are in....LOL just something to think about. And yes, the Moon is made of Cheese! ..LOL Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #510)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Sorry about the format..we will see if this makes it. Reference the religion and State issue. In some areas, Science is like a religion. Especially when dictates that it is FACT. And no questioning can be done. Or if it is. You must think "XYZ". I'm not taking about teaching the details of religion. I'm talking overview. Ignoring the subject. Only brings more question. The question is implementation of a broad subject. But, it gets a little sticky about the religion and State. When that cover ancient belief system of the past. The difference is past and present. Covering Creationism will provide individuals with additional knowledge to assist in communicating with other people from different countries. And these countries or individuals maintain a different view point. I'm not talking about agree with them. But, there is to many question left to be answered. If you don't believe in religion in the schools. Then the ideology of "No" super being should not be taught or covered either. Nor ancient beliefs. Greek mythology, Egypt, and others. A detailed curriculum of the subjects would include there beliefs/religion at some point. You would be hard press to teach a class on Greek or Egyptian history, with covering there belief system (as a example). Since there is a good chance, that someone on this planet still hold/practice some of those beliefs. Which I don't have a problem with. Thanks for your input/opinion. Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #508)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Reference the religion and State issue. In some areas, Science is like a religion. Especially when dictates that it is FACT. And no questioning can be done. Or if it is. You must think "XYZ". I'm not taking about teaching the details of religion. I'm talking overview. Ignoring the subject. Only brings more question. The question is implementation and broad subject. But, it gets a little stick about the religion and State. When that cover ancient belief system of the past. The difference is past and present. Covering Creationism will provide individuals with additional knowledge to assist in communicating with other people from different countries. And these countries or individuals maintain a different view point. I'm not talking about agree with them. But, there is to many question left to be answered. If you don't believe in religion in the schools. Then the ideology of "No" super being should not be taught or covered either. Nor ancient beliefs. Greek mythology, Egypt, and others. A detailed curriculum of the subjects would include there beliefs/religion at some point. You would be hard press to teach a class on Greek or Egyptian history, with covering there belief system (as a example). Since there is a good chance, that someone on this planet still hold/practice some of those beliefs. Which I don't have a problem with. Thanks for your input/opinion. Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #507)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

The Theory of Evolution addresses how life have changed over time. Not how it begun." How can you separate the two? At some point your subject matter in evoulution starts at point in time. Inorder to cover the subject. Simple as that. Other areas that have not been proven. Is linking the evolution data with the DNA testing of ansiters from Mongolia to Africa. And cross link them with said levels of envolution. And from scientic research colected at/and to the point in time. That hasn't been done at this point..unless you have reference material stating otherwise. I was trying cover both view point. There is no reason that both subjects can not be covered. Unless you simply want indivduals doing nothing more than memorization and regurgiation of information. That doesn't provide real self enlitement. Concerning the subject of evolutiom. At some point, supporters have to revert to "We don't know". There isn't "complete " scientific knowlege at this point and time. Because they can not answer "ALL" the question. If everthing "AS BEEN" determined a "FACT". Then there is nolonger reason for future scientific studies, research, etc. And other funding should stop. We can creat video classes. And people can just memorize them and and spend time on other subjects. Since there is no reason to question. It would be a last of time, resources, etc. Either way, depending on the material being used to teach the subject. You will still leave a "whole" that is not filled. ANd to many "wholes" in the scientific data at this point. Stating it as "FACT" and all decusiion is over. Only shows people are afraid of questions. Hence you need to question. When you stop questioning and researching. You are already lost. And if everthing is a FACT. Then their be no problem with people question. And verifling the information in a repreducable form. If not, you create doubt to science. And indivduals will look else where. Weather they admit it to you, or not. Later...:) --- "BTW, I work in public education" I figured you did. By your reply. So, the question is. Due you allow for "independent " thought and the ability of individuals to become self aware? Not meant as a demeaning voice..just a question. Well, some our politicians have the highest education. And you see how that's going....LOL So, I make decisions on a individual case. Since some people have more education than intelligence! ...LOL Including lack of experience, and the application of said education with experience. --- "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." George S. Patton Later...:) This small notebook..is a pain.  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #499)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

Since you was so nice. You are showing lack of depth. And in a "fixed" view point. And fixed minded. You missed the subject matter. Called "Evolution versus Creationism. Which covers more than what you simple reply. And doesn't address my reply to original poster when dealing with the issue of both being taught. And the fact, at some one you may bring up more question, than all the tools for students to make their own decisions. Rather than limit them to your specific view point. Which as you stated. Hasn't been proven. Have a nice day..LOL ..Later...:) LOL..Later  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #490)

US News

Teacher protests in Madison lead to canceled classes arou...

Hope they are not using State public funds or vehicles, and/or supplies in the demonstration. That would be a no, no...:) Since we have seen those "yellow buses" have been used by demonstrators before in other States in the past..LOL And hopefully none of the students are attending these things under some form of intimidation. Afraid there may be repercussions by there teachers for not supporting them. Also, hopefully those politicians going across State lines. Used there own funds. And we should wonder if some of these demonstrator are being paid for being at work. When they are not. Something to consider. Hopefully, its on there own time. And maybe people should start demonstrating at the demonstrators homes. Since that appears to be the way to demonstrate. Because directly or indirectly people across the country helps subsidies those institutions. Or maybe, the private sector should have a "Blue Day". Since the private sector is the ones they they are asking to pay there bill. And they don't seem to be needed. Since the GOV is suppose to take care of everything. Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #16)

Evolution Debate

Evolution versus creationism: What should be taught in pu...

And I would ask you the same when it comes to creationism? How is teaching Creationism in school effecting you. Considering all the other stuff that is put out. Without a proven and verifiable chain if facts. Consider that Evolution still doesn't address the "very" beginning. And is till considered a mystery and on faith of some form. And at some level. To deny this, only blinds to reality and logic thinking. Especially, considering that the Earth, solar system, etc. Was created in some form. At some point, there was a beginning. Evolution doesn't address that. Everything they bring up. As another who, what, where, etc. A never end thought. Also, consider this. Anything, and everything in the past, present and in the future is already here. We haven't reached a level of intelligence to understanding. Even if you go all scientific, at best you have have simply evolved in intelligence. But you haven't answered the original question. How was everything created from the "beginning ". That is where creationism comes in. Remember you can produce new metals, products, molecules, etc. But at best. All you are doing is identifying them based on new technology, etc. Or rearranging/combin ing what is already here. Man/humans has not produced anything from absolute nothing. And never will. We are just evolving in intelligence and rearranging the furniture...LOL And if we get really crazy. And say some UFO alien planted the seeds to earth. And all that other stuff. You are still left with the question. Where did they come from, and universe/solar system, etc. --- The question with teaching creationism. Is how to make it an overview of different view points....(being PC here on different religions). Being that there is only so much time in class to cover a wide subject. --- Final note: It is easier a person that believes in creationism to work with Evolution. Than a person only believing in Evolution to believe in creationism. From a creationism point of view in this reply. Remember it took how many days to create world. And in human years (how many). Give or take 6,000 years. So there is your beginning and your big bang. And the rest is left up for argument or theory. ...LOL Thanks...Later..:)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #479)

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Teacher protests in Madison lead to canceled classes arou...

Sure, go for it. Then we can reside on the facilities and start producing products that compete with you. I don't mind giving all my money to the church as a "INVESTMENT ". So, are you going to after all those "OTHER" non-profits and exempted groups. And other areas like the Health Care Bill where "Certain groups", get special exemptions? Oh, are you including the other religions that don't have a facility called a "church" ? Maybe we should considered the financial impact of the individuals who attend those churches. Have them deduct the economic cost of fuel, food/dinning out, shopping, etc. Before and after the church programs...etc. Or community support done by the churches. Which helps to lower the total cost to Local, State and Federal governments on a lower cost basis. Which happens behind the scenes all the time. But, ether-way...you option is not dealing with the problem. Even if you did tax them. The debt would still be growing. Since the main cause isn't being addressed. You still have the future expenditures. LOL..Later :)  (Feb 18, 2011 | post #13)