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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Still having a problem understanding the form an Atheist icon would take. I'm still leaning towards a decorative question mark -- ala "The Riddler". The WTC is the site of a mass killing. Putting a cross over a mass killing doesn't negate the existence of non-Xtians who who were also killed. It's a sign of respect for the dead in our culture, not exclusion of non-Xtians. At Babi Yar in Kiev, there is a very large menorah and mogen david over the site of the mass killing of 50,000 Jews. That doesn't mean that there isn't at least a few atheists or even a druid or two among the victims of that slaughter -- it just means that the majority were Jews. Only so much inclusion is practical. It's not like you can bring them all back to life and conduct surveys on exactly what they believed. Yes, the courts have ruled pretty aggressively on the establishment clause but to what end? Anyone who believes judicial fiat can outlaw school prayer has never taken a final exam. Should all the students of a public school be coerced or even forced to choose to participate in school prayer? Of course not, that is a clear violation of the separation principal. Should, however, schools (or other public institutions) be forbidden from allowing their unused facilities to be used by groups or persons with religious affiliations in activities that may, or may not, include a prayer? I don't see why this is an issue or how it in any way constitutes the establishment of or the free exercise of religion. The courts might very well rule against the inclusion of a cross at a 911 memorial if someone or some group is offended and litigious enough to take it to the courts. My personal opinion is "who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?". Will a victory make anyone any more or less included in the memorial? In my opinion, it's a lot of noise with the only goal of creating more divisiveness in the US and has precious little to do with inclusion.  (Mar 16, 2014 | post #69469)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

All religious iconography is symbolic -- some more so than others. I don't find a cross any more or less offensive as the yin yang, the karmic wheel, a swastika (the original one) or the golden arches. Atheism, at it's core, is a desire not to be included in the world of religion or faith-based ideologies and that is a great thing. An ideology based on no preconceptions would be a great thing. That is why I find it so ironic that a radical atheist's response to religious culture is either "I don't have something so you can't have something" or "if you have something I want to have it too". At best it's ironic, at worst it's petulant and childish. I don't believe that the inclusion of religious iconography is a publicly funded museum constitutes either making a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. I also believe that attempting to erase any hint of religious culture from any public institution is reductio ad absurdum of the First Amendment.  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69457)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Oh no! He's ON to us! Call Mossad!  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69453)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

The origin of comic inflation is easy to understand ... G-d printed too many stars and devalued the present inventories. Eventually, it will be controlled by a combination of wage controls, supply side monetary policies and a strict program of monetarism.  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69452)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

I agree. But what is an "atheist shrine"? A golden idol of the flying spaghetti monster? A huge alabaster question mark? It sounds a bit oxymoronic.  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69451)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

I missed the part of the story where they were building a publicly funded church in the 911 museum. Of course, there are quite a few publicly funded places of worship in the US -- at least one on every major military post. Many in public hospitals. Others are just historical sites that receive public renovation funds (the Old North Church in Massachusetts for example). American battlefields like Pearl Harbour and Gettysburg receive public funding and have crosses on them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to call the site of the WTC an American battlefield.  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69433)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that. I'd have a boat load of nickels.  (Mar 15, 2014 | post #69430)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

The National Gallery in Washington DC. a publicly funded institution, is home to a fine collection of Byzantine religious artifacts as well as religious-themed art from dozens of artists, including Rembrandt, Raphael and Rubens. And it's not typically considered to be a religious institution.  (Mar 14, 2014 | post #69350)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Atheist Plague -- Freudian corset  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #69346)

Guns

Require gun safety course before purchase

I agree that firearm safety is important information and a necessary life skill. So, we should treat it the same way we treat all basic information and knowledge. Make it a mandatory component of the Elementary school curriculum. Teach children to understand the dangers of and learn respect for firearms. If we teach kids how to properly use condoms then why not firearms?  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #4949)

Guns

Female Karate Blackbelt Foils Burglary

Uh huh. Thanks for the input, Cartman  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #8)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

I'm as opposed to religious proselytism as anyone, but I refuse to be offended by a religious reliquary. If I were, I couldn't enter a museum, monument, or pretty much any public building in the world without seeing religious iconography (almost never the iconography of my own religion). I've been to theAnkor Wat, The Great Mosque of Sophia (previously the great Church of Sofia), the Taj Mahal, the Western Wall and the Crystal Cathedral in Anaheim. Some of it sublime, some of it tacky, but always stuffed to the rafters with religious iconography and always interesting. Should we be offended by religiously-motiva ted art? I don't see why. Take a look at a Raphael Madonna and then Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ". Most people consider Raphael to be the superior artist and the Madonna's are arguably much less offensive. If a piece of toast is believed the likeness of Simon Cananeus (despite the fact we don't know what he looks like) AND it is interesting enough that people will want to come and look at it, go ahead, put it in a museum. Those who are big fans of Simon the Zealot will be awed, those who are not will be amused -- everyone wins. As for the inclusion of an "Atheist Plague" at a 911 museum, what on Earth would it say? You can't get 20 people to agree who destroyed the WTC, does anyone really need a bronze sign saying "This pile of rubble and hole in the ground are certified proof that G-d doesn't exist"? It's not artistically interesting and it's not even true.  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #69344)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

And they make the BEST shaving brushes. I have three (brushes, not honey badgers).  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #69343)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Haven't you heard? They're only doing this because they 'love' us.  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #69302)

Judaism

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Try to self-medicate. Once you're in the system it's almost impossible to get out.  (Mar 12, 2014 | post #69273)

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Headline:

Act Interdimensionally

Hometown:

Singapore -- Home of Hot

I'm Listening To:

The Voices in My Head

Read This Book:

Understanding Tanya - Adin Steinsaltz

Favorite Things:

My Family

I Believe In:

Things that can be proved by experiment -- and I want to see the lab equipment.