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Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!
I went to all that work to refute each and every "study" that your new found friends over at Evergreen had to offer in support of their efforts to "repair" homosexuals and other than Stoned spouting off before I was finished, you've made no attempt whatsoever to refute anything I had to say. Could it be you're just in mourning over the California Supreme Court decision or the reality that you have to face in that none of my criticisms of their so-called studies can actually be refuted??? (25 min ago | post #222)
RC Priest quits McKinney church after complaints about gay Web ...
I gave you the opportunity to attempt to lie your way out and you chose a whopper. Nice try, but the reality is once again you have cited yet another source that proved your own argument to be a lie. So sorry... (50 min ago | post #18)
California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban
The last thing the state supreme court in California can be described as would be left-wing. Six of the seven members were appointed by Republican governors that you all elected. As for this being an issue for the legislature to decide, if you had been paying attention the last few years, the legislature did pass laws to make this issue moot and extend the right of marriage to lesbian and gay Californians only to have it vetoed by Governor Arnold in favor of letting the courts decide. Ooops. Sorry, but this is not an example of "judcial activism" but the simple recognition that all people of the state are entitled to equal protection and due process under the law, regardless of sexual orientation. (8 hrs ago | post #9)
Lawmaker Rallies Against 'Equality' Day
Yep, he's an oversized brindle coated Pom and he's not my dog I'm just the person he lets cater to his every whim... (8 hrs ago | post #64)
California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban
I'm sorry you feel that way, but rest assured that no one will ever "turn" gay simply because the right to marry someone of the same sex has finally been recognized. Speaking from personal experience, it just doesn't happen that way. The only way that there will be any more homosexuals in the state of California will be those who already are homosexual moving to the state because it is a place where their equal worth as citizens is recognized. Despite what you want to believe, being homosexual is no more a destruction of life than being heterosexual, it's just a part of who we were meant to be. So be happy for the lesbian and gay people of your state, because once and for all they are your equals... (8 hrs ago | post #7)
FLASH: California Supreme Court Overturns Gay Marriage Ban
For those of you who don't appreciate boosting Thomas Jackson's blog view count for the day, the link to the actual story is: http://www.latimes .com/news/local/la -me-gaymarriage16- 2008may16,0,618231 7.story This is actually the best possible outcome of the many that were discussed prior to the ruling and actually a bit of a suprise considering the make-up of the court. A complete over-turning as unconstitutional of the law prohibiting the extension of the right marriage to lesbians and gays. While this ruling may add some impetus to the movement to amend the state constitution to revoke this newly recognized right. Hopefully the people of California will now see that movement for what it really is, a bigoted attempt attempt to punish lesbians and gays for seeing themselves as equal. (9 hrs ago | post #3)
Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!
Well Stoned, the problem is that your so-called proof from your new found friends over at Evergreen contained very little in the way of actual science to begin with. You may feel, for some odd reason, that would be a "hommofascist complaint" and "not science", but it doesn't change the reality of what you actually provided. The list of alleged "studies " from Evergreen actually contains only three that can even claim to be studies. The work of Irving Bieber from 1962 that was done on patients who were otherwise insttutionalized nearly three decades before reparative therapy techniques were first utilized and cannot be seen as valid today as the techniques he used are no longer accepted today. Dr. Houston MacIntosh's study of self reports of therapists and THEIR claims of success, which cannot be verified by the reports of those for whom they claim were succesful. Finally the work of Masters and Johnson which has never been replicated and may have not produced any success for the few actual homosexuals who participated. The rest of what they and in you in turn claimed to be science amounted, to nothing more than the unsubstantiated claims of therapists patting themselves on the back for their own self-reported successes, that simply cannot be verified by those for whom they claimed to be successful, a couple of opinions and a doctoral dissertation done back in 1978 that reviewed "studies " that dated back to 1930. In other words, comments that had as much to do with science as they had to do with brick laying and they really didn't have jack to do with brick laying. Stoned, if you believe that you and your imaginary little troll friends are somehow exsisting in the real world, you are suffering from yet another delusion. In the real real world, proof needs to based on fact not on opinion and unsubstantiated claims and the science actually needs to be relavent to what is being discussed, not how effective electro-shock therapy is effective in somehow convincing homosexuals they may not actually be homosexual. Give it up Stoned, you're only being successful in embarrassing yourself and proving yourself to be an ignorant tool of dangerous and deceptive organizations... (9 hrs ago | post #214)
Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!
Soon to be Dr. Elizabeth James did her book report on other people's work back in 1978 well before the techniques of "reparative therapy" were developed. Many of the studies that she reviewed were conducted on institutionalized patients and utilized techniques that that would be considered extremely unethical today, including electro-shock therapy, drug treatments, forced sterilizations and lobotomies. While her research may have been extensive, it was done on studies that would by no stretch of the imagination be viewed as credible today nor can they be used to show that reparative therapy works as they were all conducted prior to its first use. Drs. Thomas and Ann Pritt are merely offering their opinions on the subject that doesn't appear based on anything but their own personal bias. There is no evidence they have conducted any research in this area and they certainly have never produced a per reviewed study on the subject. (9 hrs ago | post #213)
Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!
Mason, Mason, Mason, I guess your other imaginary friends didn't bother to tell you but we've already been over the Evergreen deceptive "proof" before. But since you decided to go with the extended version this time which covers a couple of other alleged "studies " let's take a moment to review, for your benefit. Dr. William Consiglio did not conduct a "study", this merely a self-reporting that he made to an Exodus conference back in the 90s. The source of Dr. Consiglio's 40% "success rate" claim is not from his patients, but from the good doctor himself so there is absolutely NO independent confirmation of this. In addition to his completely unsubstantiated claim that he successfully turned out heterosexuals at a 40% rate he also claimed being a "success " at guilting 40% of his clients into celibacy. I don't know about you, but celibacy is not the opposite of being homosexual and I highly doubt that any of his clients had that as a goal in mind going into treatment. So for the good doctor to claim that as a "successful " result of his treatment is rather disturbing to say the least. Dr. Ruben Fine is merely stating his beliefs on the subject not discussing the results of any paricular study he has done on the subject. While he states that he believes "a considerable percentage" of overt homosexuals will become heterosexual as a result of therapy, he is merely stating an opinion based on his readings of other people's work. He is not stating for what that percentage that will be nor is he offering any proof based on any confirmation that he has done on the subject. Dr. Houston MacIntosh's work is based on interviews with patients regarding self-reporting of their own claims to results, not of their clients. The validity of such a study is extremely dubious at best as there is absolutely no confirmation of those claims of success by those for whom that success is being claimed. This study is sort of like asking used car dealers the quality of cars that they have sold in the past rather than the consumers who purchased them. Of course the therapists, much like Dr. Consiglio mentioned above, are going to report they've been hightly successful whether they were or not as the study made absolutely no attempt to check their claims. continued on next post.... (10 hrs ago | post #210)
RC Priest quits McKinney church after complaints about gay Web ...
Of course you went with attempt to lie your way out of your own proof option, which was what was to be expected, sadly. How can you possibly still claim that your proof indicates that the priest abuse scandal was more than 80% homosexual in nature when of the 80% more than 70% of the male victims were clearly the target of pedophiles as boys under the age of 14 are generally considered to be pre-pubescent and pedophiles are generally heterosexual regardless of the sex of the victim? What you seem to fail to realize is that the Catholic Church has forbade the ordination of homosexual priests and defrocked any who were discovered since the early 1960's and yet the scandal occurred anyways. I guess I'm giving you yet another opportunity to lie to get yourself out of the proof that you were lying all along. Make the best of it and please try to look a little less foolish than you have so far... (10 hrs ago | post #16)
*Study Prove Therapy Effective for Homosexuals Who Want to Change
You haven't actually provided a link now have you? What you have provided is the name of a website for an organization that is just as deceptive as you are. Another thing you're not considering is that there is no there, there. There are no studies available on your friends website, we've already visited their "clinical studies" page and know that you are lying. We've challenged you repeatedly to prove us wrong on this statement of fact, but this all that you are able to say in reply is to blither like an idiot and pretend that something exsists that doesn'tShouldn't we be asking this of you? All you have managed to do throughout the course of this thread you've kept going for nearly a year now is pile lie on top of lie and delusion on top of delusion. When anything you say has been refuted, you simply pretend it didn't happen. When evidence is presented to the contrary you either pretend that it didn't exsist or that you imagine you somehow already refuted it. So "Caleb", what exactly is your problem with the truth? Why do you hate hearing it and recognizing it? Why are you so afraid of admitting that you've wasted all of our time by continuing to defend what has always been a lieThe repetition of pathological lies that you've probably repeated in one form or another more than a thousand times now will not increase their veracity if none exsisted in the first place... (10 hrs ago | post #5860)
Leftwing Atheist PhD Confirm Therapy Works!
So tell us, "Jim", can you provide us the name of ANY of the "number" of studies we will be able to "see" while visiting the above "Web address"? I know we've asked you and your assortment of other imaginary troll friends this before, but we keep hoping that one of you will have something resembling an honest answer to it. Do you want to take a shot at it, or are you going to have another of your imaginary friends come back and continue to prevericate that they are there??? (11 hrs ago | post #203)
Lawmaker Rallies Against 'Equality' Day
Speed reader, huh? Why do I doubt that? Look you've been presented with facts that contradict your theory and yet you dismiss them out of hand without reading them for yourself. The reality is that while causation has not been proved to a certainty there is no evidence to the the contrary. That leaves you with a belief that is a choice that you can supply no evidence whatsoever for and I can supply a theory that while still a theory still has a great deal of scientific backing. Right 'nough said. (11 hrs ago | post #36)
