Yeah, if you need to prop your misconceptions! Which, apparently, you do. It's true that knowing this life is all we get tends to make us try to enjoy it to the fullest. Why agitating and poking sticks through the bars of the Bot Brain Prison is so much fun, I'll never know. (Friday Mar 7 | post #5909)
That's certainly reasonable enuff LMS! You seem a calm and thoughtful person. We are social animals and as such have some obligation not to lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc. from our families or our neighbors. Society would certainly crumble without following these basic rules no matter if your inspiration or motivation comes from religion, logic or just being Human. These message boards do give us a place to speak our minds while being out of arms reach of the less even tempered. I've certainly learned a lot on Topix, changed a few of my attitudes and generally try not to take it all too seriously. (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5895)
Well ... I think you might be the first. Congratulations, I guess. (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5894)
Pretty sure I referenced the source and quotation marked the "cut and paste job". I'm pretty sure there's no harm, no foul doing that to illustrate a point. I don't even know who Tom McFarlane is ... but his 'answer' might pop up if you Google "the meaning of Truth". Of course, you wouldn't Google any such thing since you TRULY BELIEVE you know the answer ... just like so many billions of other people. (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5890)
I have no problem with sub-vocal prayers. You guys can wander around, muttering to yourselves till the cows come home for all I care. Your All-Powerful-Super-Being can pick up THOUGHTS can't he?!? It's the SANCTIONED AND PROMULGATED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT aspect of Public School prayers, orchestrated by the classrooms only available AUTHORITY FIGURE (the Teacher) and echoing down hallowed hallways of LEARNING over loud-speakers that I'm afraid I would have to object to ... and if you had any sense ... so would you! (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5889)
What you fail to understand "antiatheist " is that we had Mommys and Daddys and well understand the attraction of a 'Heavenly Father' looking over all of us. We are still Human. It's safe to say that, perhaps secretly, we all long for a God (just like all men do) ... we just expect him to be REAL. Surely even you bots ... er, Religious Folk ... would expect the World to be a little different from what we actually see if a REAL GOD was floating around on a cloud, helping the Good Guys and smiting the Wicked. Absolute Truth be known ... you bots ... er, Religious Folk are most likely just a bunch of frightened, closet Atheists, just waiting to come out. All y'alls preaching, praying, arm waving, head banging and proselytizing is just you all trying to convince each other how right you are. Kind of sad really. It's not all doom and gloom in the Atheist camp. Statistically, your chances of getting zapped are about the same as everybody else's. Kind of comforting really. You should come out of the closet and join us here on Reality Beach ... the waters FINE!!! (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5888)
Tom McFarlane (degrees in physics, math, and philosophy & religion) says: "The meaning of 'truth' of course depends upon context. Consequently, so will the answer to the question. <What is truth?> Different philosophical systems will give their different answers to this question, based on their respective approaches and assumptions. Mathematics has its type of truth, which is based on its assumptions as well. And truth in empirical science is based on a host of assumptions, observational data, and hypotheses as well. These are all, therefore, forms of relative truth, which have value and utility in their respective domains. Absolute truth, in contrast, is beyond denial or affirmation. It rests on no assumptions. It can not be grasped definitively by concepts. Concepts can, however, indirectly point to it through the use of symbol and metaphor. And it may be realized through direct and immediate non-conceptual insight, which is not knowledge corresponding to an objective reality, but knowledge as identical with reality itself." ... Absolute truth" knowledge as identical with reality itself". I like that one. Deciphering "reality " is the business of Science and the only source of "absolute truth" available to Mankind. It is you "antiatheist ", who squeals and hides and runs away from this kind of truth. It's the kind that stands no matter of what you or I want or what you or I think. I've already said I think we all (all Humans) have roughly the same potential. The same amount of "brilliance ". It's how this potential is subverted, channeled, controlled and dulled that divides Atheists and Free-Thinkers from you bots ... er, Religious Folk. You keep bringing up "fringe" and "vast majority", etc. as if Absolute Truth can be determined by head count! It can't!! Not anymore. Welcome to the New Millennium. Besides ... look at this chart "http://en.wi kipedia.org/wiki/L ist_of_religious_p opulations" ... you'll find that there are so many religions ... "secular/non- religious/agnostic /atheist" is numerically up there in the TOP THREE with you Christians and your pals, the Muslims. I wonder whose company you prefer? Let's put that "fringe" business to bed, okay? (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5886)
At last! Someone with a sense of humor! (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5881)
I'm sure there are. Aliens (visiting), Big Foot, fairies, Unicorns, clairvoyants and Universe-creating- super-beings are all part of the mainstream delusion pool. Atheists don't swim in that pool. (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5870)
If "creation ", that is, the magical conjuring of our Universe from the imagination if a bored, petulant super-being, science would still lead us right up to the doors that couldn't be opened by rational thought. We would find ourselves in a position where "magic" would be the only answer. Fortunately, which ever way we venture into the unknown, we have always managed to find rational cause and effect relationships that we can come to understand and in some cases, manipulate ... even dominate. It is logical to presume these trends will continue into the few remaining "mysteries " you Religious Folk go on so much about. (Wednesday Mar 5 | post #5869)
They are 8000+ examples of how science works and why it works. My "delusions " have nothing to do with it. (Tuesday Mar 4 | post #5852)
I was raised Southern Baptist. Believe me, I've seen both sides. Maybe reading is not your thing. Ever tried "TED Talks"? Here you find practitioners of various scientific, engineering, artistic disciplines talking their stuff up front and personal. Their enthusiasm and wonder at what they do comes out in ways that just don't get translated from the printed word. They're not liars, buffoons or con-artists. Look here: "http://www.t ed.com/talks/brows e" Here I got a few questions for you! How far away (in time) from a 'creation event' do you have to be for it's details to become irrelevant? If there is 100,000,000,000 galaxies with 100,000,000,000 stars ... how many 'one in a gazillion' things are happening all the time? How did "air get here"? Atoms? Do you accept any scientific explanations for ANYTHING? My point of all this is that there is a huge volume of accessible, understandable, free information regarding the true nature of reality that can not be revoked, refuted, ridiculed or other-wise dismissed by pamphlets, religious tracts, Sunday School teachers or Preacher men. It boils down to the fact that those people are telling you what YOU want to hear, reality be damned. If 'honesty' is of any value to you at all, I would think you would want to know the truth of things. (Tuesday Mar 4 | post #5843)
Oh, that was too easy? Here's over 8000 articles on "Evolutionary Biology" from the excellent science site PLOS ONE ... "http://www.p losone.org/browse/ evolutionary_biolo gy" and if that doesn't make your head explode, here's a nice article on the origin of the Universe from the same source. Note that there is over 240 Astronomy articles available for your enjoyment. "http://www.p losone.org/article /info%3Adoi%2F10.1 371%2Fjournal.pone .0080826" Until you've chewed on some real science, Bob would just be trying to explain color to a blind man. Get some background, you've no foundation upon which to even build an argument or formulate a rational GUESS! (Tuesday Mar 4 | post #5841)
It always comes to this and it is, BTW, the source of much of the Atheist's derision. "Explain a science that took hundreds of years and lifetimes of careful study to formulate to me in a Topix post Bob!" "Hey Bob, I know nobody was around 4.5 billion years ago, but explain to me how did something get here in the first place?" Here's a little light reading ... "http://www.s ciencedaily.com/re leases/2014/02/140 218143318.htm " Enjoy! (Tuesday Mar 4 | post #5840)
Fairy Tale <courtesy Merriam-Webster On-line> 1 a : a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (as fairies, wizards, and goblins) —called also fairy story b : a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending 2: a made-up story usually designed to mislead Sound familiar? Science <courtesy of Wikipedia> Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge ") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science " also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied. Hint God did it = Fairy Tale Big Bang / Evolution = Science (Tuesday Mar 4 | post #5839)
Q & A with RHill
Blue Collar Philosopher
I Belong To:
My family, my friends, my country, my employer, myself ... not necessarily in that order.
When I'm Not on Topix:
I'm on FB or over-the-counter medications.
Read My Forum Posts Because:
I may be the least insane person you'll ever meet.
I'm Listening To:
Several giga-bytes of Mozart
Read This Book:
State of Fear, Catch-22
Watching documentaries, fresh clean air, fishing, camping, horses, animals, beer drinking, scifi movies.
On My Mind:
Toilet paper that does not form Klingons.
I Believe In:
Freedom of speech, thought, freedom from religion, love, joy, happiness, life, knowledge.