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2008 Presidential Election

Who gets your vote for president in November?

Wow, this is the first poll I've seen McCain leading in... HA! Too bad he's getting smoked in the polls right now. Here's John McCain's argument for everything: "Well, uh... I'm old so I know what I'm doing"  (Oct 3, 2008 | post #4085)

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Up next: Bears at Detroit Lions

called for *REX* to be benched, sorry. Have to wait a few more weeks to write why Orton got benched.  (Oct 3, 2008 | post #17)

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Up next: Bears at Detroit Lions

Are you kidding? Those are the exact reasons you called for Orton to be benched. How many times are NMR and Otis going to prove me right?  (Oct 3, 2008 | post #16)

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Is there still hope for Rex? You bet

Jim Harbaugh - A QB run out of town just like Rex... We don't seem to learn from our past mistakes. But hey! We're solid with Orton right? 7 turnovers in the past 2 weeks from him alone, tied for most in the league with Kurt Warner. Now THAT'S why we put him in there right!!?  (Oct 3, 2008 | post #778)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

Seriously grow up. This is ridiculous. Typical Rex basher. Anybody who defends Grossman is either Grossman himself or related to him. Arnie is (select one): A) a strand of hair from Orton's neckbeard B) a fellow drinking buddy in the pics on Google C) Orton's wife D) Orton's butt buddy E) All of the above How does it feel jackass?  (Sep 27, 2008 | post #169)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

I like how you pick a certain amount of games that you know Grossman looked horrible in. Way to show the facts as they really are. Why don't you go compare their career stats and see how often Orton comes out on top instead of sticking within a small amount of time in which you know Grossman had some bad performances?  (Sep 27, 2008 | post #168)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

Nobody responds because they're shit talkers who stood there and ridiculed Rex for doing the same thing Orton is doing right now, and now they're protecting him for it. Didn't I say Otis and NMR and everyone would change their tunes to: "Oh it's the defense! It's dropped passes! No running game!" ...Didn't I say all that a long time ago? Yeah, I did. But because Rex was in there, these morons with keyboards swore up and down we were PERFECT except for the QB position. Now they're defending Orton by blaming the system around him. They don't respond because they know I'm right. I laid out the game right there. We should have had the game won by halftime. If neckbeard and the offense capitalize on drives that they start INSIDE THE OPPONENT 30 - they should have some f'ing TDs to show for it, and most likely, the Bucs are too far out of it to come back. They're hypocrites - end of story. And you watch. If Rex comes back in, it will suddenly be all his fault again. Just watch.  (Sep 25, 2008 | post #144)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

Actually he had 3 TDs, 1 INT and an 83 rating.  (Sep 25, 2008 | post #143)

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For All The Rex Haters Out There

Are you kidding? The running game was strong - And Forte had 150 all purpose yards! He was everywhere! Including the pass in overtime that Orton overthrew by a mile. Sounds like more excuses from the guy who wants to hear no more of them... Here it is week 3 and you're defending Orton with your life - funny, you said you treated all QBs the same didn't you? Why aren't you pointing out Orton's INT that easily ranks among the worst of all time? Why aren't you pointing out the fact that he's constantly over and under throwing receivers? Where's all the crap you spewed when Rex was on the field? Could NMR be a little bias?  (Sep 24, 2008 | post #217)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

Amen brother. He sat there and picked apart of every stat of Grossman I ever put up and now he defends Orton with mindless bullshit and no proof. My how the table's have turned. Let me point out how good Orton did last Sunday and how he didn't let us down: When Lance Briggs intercepted a Brian Griese pass 2 minutes into the game to set up the Bears offense in Bucs territory and Orton went 0 for 2 with a sack and the offense had to settle for a field goal, that wasn't the offense letting us down? When the Bears' D made a huge stop against Tampa and gave Orton and the offense great field position and their drive stalled at the Tampa 25, putting up another field goal when they should have been putting up their second TD wasn't letting the defense down? When Danieal Manning returned a kickoff to the 48 yard line and Orton went 0 for 2 again with batted pass and a sack on a three and out drive, that wasn't the offense letting the special teams down and not giving the defense a break? When Charles Tillman forced his 4th fumble of the season and Urlacher recovered it, and then shortly after Orton threw a horrible deep pass that was intercepted giving the ball right back to the Bucs... that wasn't the offense that let the defense down? When the defense held AGAIN and the offense left the field on another consecutive three and out drive with a flurry of hisses and boo's from the crowd... that wasn't the offense screwing the defense again? On the next drive, when Orton threw one of the most moronic, idiotic, and dumbfounded interceptions I have ever seen in my life in which he dropped back, spun in a circle, and then literally threw it right into the chest of Tampa's Gaines... that wasn't Orton and the offense letting everyone down again? Need I go on? Because I can. On the next drive, the Bears went 3 and out again. Garret Wolfe gave them another chance on a brilliant fake punt run play, and what do Orton and the offense do with the ball in Bucs territory and a load of momentum? They do nothing and kick a 28 yard field goal. In the second half, they opened up with 2 more 3 and out drives, and failed to do anything after Nathan Vasher intercepted another Brian Griese pass and put the Bears offense in business. Talk your bullshit about the Bears D all you want - the offense failed to capitalize when they giftwrapped more than 75% of the game for Orton and the offense - and you're gonna bitch that for barely even 25% of the game, when Griese was on the field long enough to throw 67 passes, that they got beat at some point. Bill sits there and hoists the offense and Orton on high for playing well for about 10 minutes out of the whole game, and then condemns the defense for playing poorly at the end of the game after the offense should have put the Bears on top by about 30 points by then. What a joke.  (Sep 24, 2008 | post #105)

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For All The Rex Haters Out There

Pocket presence like spinning around in a circle and then throwing an INT right into the chest of Gaines Adams which was returned for a TD? C'mon NMR, stop struggling to find reasons to defend Orton. Orton has done NOTHING in his time in there. So far, of the three games he's played, he looked for about 10 minutes in one third quarter which was last Sunday. The rest of the time, he's folded under pressure just as much, underthrowing and overthrowing receivers horribly. I've told you this before. Orton doesn't need as much time in the pocket because like Griese (who wasn't sacked at all mind you), he uses the quick passing game. This is the second week in a row now that the commentators have brought up Orton's inability to break the "THIRD" level of passing as they call it. He can't throw deep. End of story. So he uses quick slants and crossing patterns to attack a defense which means he needs less time in the pocket which means the line has to protect him for less time. He's not more poised in the pocket, he just needs less time to work his game. When he's been under duress, he's made horrible throws and bonehead mistakes that are returned for TDs. It's funny that you sit here defending Orton for the same reasons you wanted Grossman benched. INT's, bonehead mistakes and not winning. And you can't deny that Orton is guilty of them all.  (Sep 23, 2008 | post #213)

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Rex Grossman... an potentially elite QB?

No Orton doesn't panic under pressure at all. He just spins in a circle and turns around throws it right to Gaines for a pick 6. Please... every QB folds under pressure. Orton just hasn't had to deal with it as much because he plays a short field. But look where he has the most trouble - the long plays - the deep pass. First off his accuracy is a joke. Lloyd has been saving his ass left and right with twists and turns and amazing catches. Second of all, when he sits back in the pocket to try and go deep, he gets flustered and launches it, which is why he often overthrows his receivers. Orton deals with pressure like everyone else - he has trouble. I don't understand how you can sit there and see him try and throw deep and underthrow or overthrow receivers left and right when he's getting blitzed and say he deals with pressure just fine. He's been decent at best lately, which is not what all of you predicted. Stop trying to make excuses. To be honest, I think he's been horrible lately. He's got time to throw, a good running game, and he's still making mistakes and poor throws. At least we've seen Rex be able to click when the team is on - Orton has shown no such poise. He's made some misjudged throws which his receivers have adjusted and made up for, but he's made poor decisions as well. I just think it's funny that you defend him differently than Grossman. It's funny that the boos aren't so loud and that the media isn't so harsh. Why should Orton get different treatment? Why should we accept lackluster play just because his jersey reads Orton instead of Grossman? The bottom line? It took Orton 3 weeks to throw a TD. He's been unable to lead the offense to scores with amazing starting position and a run game that's averaging nearly 100 yards per game! He's not producing - bottom line! And we're losing on top of it! His QB rating right now is BARELY above Rex's average! He deserves none of the praise he's getting! Not throwing TD's is just as bad as tossing INT's - you score no points and still give it back to the opposing team. I don't think they'll put Rex back out there, and I don't think they should. I hate switching QB's, but the fact that Orton got the job in the first place was a joke. He's done nothing to show any improvement over Grossman. And you can't say not turning the ball over is an improvement. He's lucky he doesn't have 6 INT's right now. In weeks 1 and 2 he should have had 4, easy, but he ran into butterfinger corners. He's also fumbled twice - how is he doing better! He's missing easy TD passes, underthrowing receivers and simply filling the void behind center. How is this better????  (Sep 21, 2008 | post #175)

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Bears D loses ANOTHER one!

I hope you're kidding. The defense has been lights out except for a few plays here and there. They're not going to shut teams out - that rarely happens in the NFL. The offense needs to score some points. Except for two drives in the third - Orton and the offense was a joke. After the Bears lost the lead, they were back on the field for only 10 plays - two three and out series. And when we got the ball in OT thanks to a great defensive stop - Orton missed Forte on a wide open throw. The defense, before today, hadn't even given up a TD in the first half in the past two games. I love how they gave the offense 4 turnovers, the first two of which, they did nothing - and when they barely put any points up on the board after those big stops and turnovers - you blame the defense. If Grossman had been out there and had tossed 2 picks by halftime, you'd all be on here ripping him a new asshole. Orton and the offense were mediocre today at best. They left a lot of play out on the field, and the defense can't create the magic every second of the game - they need help from the offense. We'd be 3-0 if we had a decent offense to go with our defense. Don't kid yourself and blame the D. They could have played better but they were animals today, creating 4 turnovers - and a big stop in OT which the offense did NOTHING with. What more can you ask for from the D?  (Sep 21, 2008 | post #2)

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Orton taking chances not bad, just results

The 1st of the last 2 plays would be the "savior" Kyle Orton. He opted out of a run play that Turner told him to run and nearly got picked off for it. The "solid" "safe" and "consistent " QB blew the game winning drive, calling his own number instead of handing it off to Forte who had just gained 9 yards on his last down and only needed ONE on that 3rd down. What does that tell you when Turner comes out to the media and tells them, "I shouldn't have given Orton the option to change the play..." Wonder if the Bears are second guessing putting that "C" for Captain patch on Orton's jersey. He looked like a real leader when the Bears fell behind. 1 of 5 and an intentional grounding penalty with 2 near picks? You Orton supporters crack me up. Do you realize your defending Orton against the same attacks that you threw at Grossman? If Grossman's INTs are all you're basing it off of - Orton's just as guilty! Throwing for no TD's and not helping your team score is as good as turning the ball over!! What's the difference - you get no points and the other team gets the ball! There's no difference! Orton has no excuse - he's got a good run game, good protection, and his receivers were getting open. He missed ALL of his passes over 20 yards, and in particular a certain pass to Booker that we all know deep down, Grossman would have nailed. It's so funny that the Grossman haters are now defending Orton from the same attacks that jumped on Rex with. How does it feel guys?  (Sep 15, 2008 | post #42)

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For All The Rex Haters Out There

look at how the tables have turned. A few weeks ago, you couldn't buy a compliment for Grossman and now here come the supporters in full mass and people are having to defend Orton now. You guys crack me up. You're acting like you're all surprised that Orton's not doing so well. Did you forget we've seen him play already? I thought you all wanted a "game manager"? Well you've got it - now he's one of only 2 QBs going into week 3 without a TD pass - you booed the playmaker off the field - now deal with it. Be careful what you wish for.  (Sep 15, 2008 | post #137)