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Anti-Homosexuality Bill Divides Ugandan and American Christians

So, where do you stand on this, Joe? KGC  (Saturday Dec 19 | post #2)

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Lesbian bishop-elect finds support as well as controversy

And by insisting that any such implication exists, you place yourself morally and ethically into a superior crockshit-filled position to anyone who doesn't take your implied underdog position. What a crock of feces. KGC  (Tuesday Dec 15 | post #84)

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Episcopal Bishop Calls For Prayer Over Gay Clergy

Hey, Joe! Seems funny to me that you post articles that YOU choose. Then, you make [outrageous] comments that bear a very particular personal bias, as if you are an authority on the captioned subject. But, in fact, your "spin" on the subject is often a distortion of the context in the article - in fact as relates to TEC - often in a very negative light. Your comments often amount to personal propaganda which is much more of a grevious twist of the Truth than the rather minor editorial infractions that you have cited and attributed to Selecia, above. You are the Big Black Kettle calling the Teapot black, buddy! You be bass ackwards and without any ground to stand on. KGC  (Tuesday Dec 15 | post #9)

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Schori fiddles while the hemorraging of members continues.

Dear TA, Can't speak with authority regarding the Diocese of Pittsburg or Houston. However, these are both Dioceses in heavily blue collar and Roman Catholic populations who would gather toward highly Orthodox presentations, High Church, if you will. The same is true of the Diocese of Quincy which actually centers in Peoria, IL. Here, I can speak from experience, having attended services on various occasions. This Diocese does not accept women within their Cleric ranks. That is their choice to make and keep. However, your conclusions are not based upon Church practices or differences with national church policy. They are based upon parish demographics. The declining population within TEC is due to many factors, not the least of which was a failure on the part of post-WWII parentage to keep their Baby-Boomer children going to church. Today, few of my fellow Episcopalian Baby-Boomer peers attend church and, likewise, their kids don't attend either. It has very little to do with the present internal scuffles. But, of course, this doesn't help any, either. Its got to shake out, TA. It has legal business to conduct and conclude. It also has world-wide Anglican Communion policy to develop and implement. It has cross-province policy to enforce. It has extremists at both ends, not the least of which are numerous and busy in Central Africa with many serious and deeply culture-based problems. But, I don't consider any of this bad. I consider it the action of Holy Spirit-inspired and guided individuals working through TEC to establish new directions. This period of time is, in many ways, just as full of portentous change and human advancement as was the time of the early church, 1st and 2nd Centuries, C. E. or A. D., as one may prefer. In fact, it's all good, TA. It is bringing significant new Truth to Light, no matter which positions you or I or others personally favor, including those who are simply opinionated onlookers, however dutifully "Christian " they suppose themselves to be. No one can simply ignore what is happening. KGC  (Tuesday Dec 15 | post #3)

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Valley properties contested after Episcopal Church split

No. He was a man from the Midwest, a lawyer. She is a woman from the Northwest, a scientist. Very different. I see more parallels in the account of Captain Bly and Fletcher Christian in "Mutiny on the Bounty." However, I don't make Jefferts-Schori out to be the "bad guy." Instead, the entire Episcopal Church is being made out to be the "bad guy" by those who support the impending schism. Ultimately, the followers of Fletcher Christian paid a heavy price for their short-sighted utopian intransigence. KGC  (Tuesday Dec 15 | post #11)

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When "Gracious Restraint" Fails - The Real Anglican Tragedy

This is an oversimplification of the issue. However, it is true that the acceptance of same-sex relationship is, at least, a liberation from prejudice. As to the three points offered for the "Conservative " view, which points are not the only measure of their discontent, points one and two are partly correct. Acceptance of same-sex relationship is not openly condoned by direct reference in scripture. But, such acceptance is not a rejection of scripture, either. Acceptance of same-sex relationship is very much an adaptation in faith that is not openly a part of the previous Christian tradition. But, it is not a violation of tradition, either. It is something that tradition does not encompass. The third point, that acceptance of same-sex relationship is "an act of rebellion against God" is false. To the contrary. It is an extension of faith and discipleship to the rejected, in a deliberate assertion of action upon the teachings of our Lord, Christ Jesus. Anything less than such acceptance is an act of rebellion against God, based upon an ignorant clutching to ancient sexual taboos that are being proven to be without justification. KGC  (Saturday Dec 12 | post #5)

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When "Gracious Restraint" Fails - The Real Anglican Tragedy

Joe De Caro, Unless you have documentation or writing from Jefferts-Schori or a copy of a Jefferts-Schori sermon that makes direct reference to theological positions offered by Bishop Spong, your suggestion above is unjustified. In fact, it is intended to be slanderous and libelous from the perspective of those who disagree with Spong. This is a malicious form of criticism. The behavior will come back to bite you. KGC  (Saturday Dec 12 | post #4)

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Call of duty: Priest heads back into active military

Dearest Rattlecattle, You are a dumb bunny. No wonder you do nothing but spit and quiver. You actually think we are conducting military operations for the sake of revenge. KGC  (Saturday Dec 12 | post #96)

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Anglican anger over new lesbian bishop

Don't be silly, Dances. No one quotes what is written, before it is written. That would be deja vu all over again. The question at hand, in the issue being determined in TEC, is whether the Spirit of the Teachings of Christ Jesus direct us or provide enough latitude to us to allow people who are oriented toward same-sex relationship to be married. No one can correctly advocate that scripture, either Old Testament or Torah, or New Testament as scripture accepted by Christians to have been inspired by the Holy Spirit, expressly allows same-sex marriage. It does not. The question is does scripture allow us to choose to allow same-sex marriage in light of modern findings regarding human sexuality that suggest that such a union can be held sacred. Certainly, we have the authority to make that determination. But, some argue that to make that determination, we must step outside of the bounds of what is written in scripture. They are probably right. KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #116)

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Anglican anger over new lesbian bishop

Dear Golem, What would be an impartial claim? The crucifixion of Jesus took place 2000 years ago. Whose account of the event would you accept? Or, beter yet, whose account do you not accept? In the Gospel of Luke, Ch. 13, verse 10, the story is told of Jesus teaching in one of the synagogues. He heals a crippled woman. Immediately, the leader of the synagogue criticizes Jesus for healing on the Sabbath. Again, in Ch. 14, Jesus questions the Pharisees about the Spirit of the Law. Then, in Ch. 15, the Pharisees grumble about the fact that Jesus "welcomes sinners and eats with them." An account of the events leading up to his crucifixion can be read in the Gospel of Luke, Ch. 22, beginning at verse 47. Is this the account which will not do? Denial. If Iran's President, Ahmadinijab, denies that the Holocaust occurred, should we believe him? KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #115)

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Episcopal church advertises core beliefs, inclusiveness and wor...

Yes, I know what you mean. When you see a televangelist asking you to hold your hand up to the tube to receive a blessing followed by an appeal for a contribution to the ministry, the use of the media is somewhat jading to the faith. Your commitment to self discipline through martial arts is to be commended. If Episcopalians were to put as much effort and consistent practice into their faith as have you into your training, there would be no talk of a schism. We would simply work for dignity and respect for others in the context of discipleship under the Sensei, Christ Jesus. KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #20)

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Uganda: Archbishop's Aide Angry Over U.S. Lesbian Bishop

It is interesting that part of the Church is concerned with the prospect of problems and divisions instead of finding out the Truth and putting the teachings of Christ Jesus to work at all levels. KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #2)

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Anglican anger over new lesbian bishop

Right, G., And the high council did not try to convict him of heresy. Neither did they call for his crucifixion. My point was that Jesus taught that the Spirit of the Law was more important than the Letter of the Law. The present schism threatening to divide The Episcopal Church is a disagreement based upon following the Spirit of the Law versus the Letter of the Law - the Law being New Testament Scripture and the basis for ultimate authority in the Anglican Communion. I drew a parallel. Still, it is a fact that the Pharisees tried to find fault with Jesus for his conduct. KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #111)

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Call of duty: Priest heads back into active military

The only thing that is clear enough in your post above is that you must be holding out for 72 virgins. Your seriousness is so warped that it is actually funny. As for my stupid azz, it already belongs to my "bloody" God, as you say. But, it is very clear that yours does not. Enjoy it while you can. KGC  (Wednesday Dec 9 | post #86)

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Episcopal Chruch's Top Lay Leader condemns proposed Uganda anti...

TA, Some elements of the positions of these groups I do support. Other elements I do not support. The position of the Episcopal Church is "Pro-Choice. " It is NOT "Pro-Abortion ." I understand and mostly agree with your concerns. Abortion, under any circumstances, in my opinion, is not a good thing. KGC  (Tuesday Dec 8 | post #21)