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Homosexuality and the Bible

Belles Echoes, Please contact me through a private message. Rev. Ken  (May 27, 2016 | post #39864)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

Belles Echoes, Request received and will be acted upon for the 24yo named "D" and his family. Do I understand that he received a violent blow to the head? Please clarify, if you can. But, I will proceed anyway. Thank you for asking. It is my pleasure and honor to help. RK  (May 26, 2016 | post #39862)

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Female Deacons: Pope Francis Walks It Back, Women Clergy ...

Not so fast, Julie. Check YOUR facts. As for "early" Churches in which ordained women served, try the Diaconate in the Syrian Coptic Church or the Syriac Orthodox. Almost all history of women serving as Deacons, and quite possibly priests and certainly as minister-teachers was stricken from the records in order to purge the Orders of women. The Patriarchate didn't want to trust the Teachings of Jesus. History is mostly written by those who succeeded in establishing their way, often at the expense of the truth. By 250-350 A. D., they had pretty much accomplished the purge. As for being a "Protestant, " I confess to my Episcopalian roots. But, remember that the Episcopal Church took its installment of its first bishop through the Scottish Rite - not the Anglican by way of the King of England. The Scottish Rite hails back to the Church of Glastonbury which was established by Joseph of Arimathea and his missionary entourage in the first century. This was apostolic succession established long before the Church of Rome came to Brittany. Joseph of Arimathea was a tin trader with well-established contacts in the Scottish and Pict mining districts. As for never aspiring to be taught the Mysteries and the Initiations, tell that to Mary, sister of Martha. "Martha, Martha, you are worried and distracted by many things; there is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part, which will not be taken away from her."  (May 26, 2016 | post #4)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

I wonder if the Hilton family has any cousin Evangelical "closet" LGBTQ in management their Texas hotels.  (May 26, 2016 | post #39860)

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Methodists Trying to Avoid Church Split Over Gay Rights

Most certainly, they did. When they got to the Teachings of Jesus, they had no choice but to proceed with the full acceptance and ordination of women. After that happened, correctly and justifiably, gays became next on the list.  (May 23, 2016 | post #2)

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Female Deacons: Pope Francis Walks It Back, Women Clergy ...

Who believes that? Mary Magdalene - the first person to preach the Gospel! Mary, the sister of Martha - a woman who chose to be instructed for Ordination and who was specifically welcomed to receive this instruction by Jesus! There were many others and their presence, ministering to men and women alike, was a fact in the Early Church. Regardless, ... women in the priesthood and as preaching ministers are here today, to stay, serving in the Holy Spirit. Rev. Ken A priest and disciple of the Lord Jesus.  (May 23, 2016 | post #2)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

A good piece of script, Tre!  (May 23, 2016 | post #39855)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

B E, I don't know how you find characters like this guy, but, keep it up! I watched the selection you provided and then several others, including this one: https://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=bKYE 4xtJ09A  (May 23, 2016 | post #39854)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

You are very right. The question at hand is about "what gets done" and, just as importantly, "how" what gets done, is managed. We as a culture have limped through the centuries compensating for the truth that we don't want to admit and refusing to openly embrace it, simply because of a lack of knowledge about God's creation that is "us," individually, first, and then, collectively. I take nothing away from your experience and I deeply respect your knowledge. I do not know if any one of the individuals who first crafted and then entered the process of producing and ratifying our Constitution was gay. But, there probably were individuals among the Founders whose experience and perception qualified them to consider the finished document from the viewpoint of the homosexual person. In any case, a truly unique structure of self-government has emerged which overtly contains provisions for individual personal freedoms coupled with protections from majority rule. Very good point made about private contract and the scope of Equal Right pertaining to marriage. I, personally go one step further, and as a priest, holding that God has properly put certain individuals together or, even more to the point, has made certain individuals compatible with others in ways that only those individuals can comprehend. Therefore, it follows that Law can be written to accommodate their private contract without unduly compromising the collective morality. As a result, the "Constitution alist" can show reason for taking a qualifying perspective against the limiting moralistic tenets of a fundamentalist Biblical viewpoint. Rule of Law actually trumps Freedom of/from Religion to a degree. As well, it should. The recognition is that there is an inner, individual life of perception and shared experience that is no one else's business. Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar ..." for good reason. The Teachings of Jesus are in full a full harmony with the true "Constitution alist's" grip on reality BECAUSE the authors recognized that Jesus understood the ultimate divinity of the individual Self. "The Way is not an intellectual exercise, ...." RK  (May 23, 2016 | post #39853)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

Bigotry implies a fossilized and stereotyping viewpoint. That is what I meant. Yes, of course the clown car mess is supposed to put a fresh coat of paint on the rube-Goldberg political machine and its cyclical titular head. Nothing about politics is actually supposed to be nice and sanitary, except for this regularly applied coat of paint. Both political parties - every political party - does it. But, since we are talking about the thread topic in the most roundabout fashion, I keep going back to these Constitutional rights and freedoms as expressions of a fundamental social context that ostensibly permits same-sex relationship in the most dignified and respectful manner. That is, Holy Matrimony as permitted and endorsed in both a legal and social context as a logical application of Constitutional Right. Our morality should be an outgrowth of this set of rights.  (May 16, 2016 | post #39810)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

No. There are five. If you think there are others, put them on the table for discussion. The right to bear arms is another idea, entirely. But, it has merit. The failure to teach the value and responsibilities of maintaining civil freedoms is the key to longevity and we are failing to maintain this teaching. Just as we always will have the poor, we will also always have those who seek their "baronies. " Successful lending practices and general, rule of thumb banking formulas that had been developed over thousands of years of successful usury were abandoned because of ONE reason. Guilt. We are paying and training perfectly capable people to not seek useful, gainful employment. It is the development of a misguided social engineering context that is glorifying idle time.  (May 16, 2016 | post #39809)

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Pope Francis' new 'Joy of Love' exhortation won't resolve...

Francis is teaching on sin, contrition, repentance, forgiveness, amending a sinful life and living in accordance with God's Word (both written and in reality) all through faith in Jesus. Where have you been and into what hole have you inserted your head for so long that you cannot recognize this?  (May 15, 2016 | post #2)

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Apostolicity at stake

Sorry. You have it backwards. Not ONE of the apostles "wrote [them] down on the pages of the Bible." Not ONE. Every version of what was written as an accounting, a story and a gospel that became widely used in the first two centuries of time after the Crucifixion and Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus was only later, much later, chosen to become a part of what is today recognized as canonical scripture. Not the other way around. You have a problem with Truth.  (May 15, 2016 | post #2)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

B E, You have become a sarcastic political bigot in your spiritual maturity. I thank God that you manage to maintain a sense of humor. I find just as much potentially destructive and na├»ve gullibility in the followers of Bernie Sanders as I do the followers of Ted Cruz. The followers of Hillary Clinton simply do not care about personal integrity in leadership. The followers of Donald Trump are looking for American Royalty to save them, when their own education is where truly responsible citizenship actually exists. At this point, I don't know if Hillary can escape the Legal Axe of the FBI and I wonder about the cynicism of the electorate that might just elect a political outsider who has demonstrated no political backbone, as yet, in the form of a "deal-making " businessman. Only one, Cruz, actually reinforces the view toward protecting and properly building support for a long-lasting Constitutional Republic. But, his philacterial, evangelical exterior is very hard to stomach. But, I WILL vote and choose to vote for the one who, I believe, will best defend the rights of the ultimate minority, the individual, while vigorously pressing for fiscal responsibility. That means the least amount of taxation and the least amount of mandated income redistribution. We have five "Freedoms " that are Constitutionally protected. These are: 1. The published word. 2. The right to assemble (to gather as groups without undue restriction). 3. The right to speak and express as an individual. 4. The right to petition the government (to bring issue and self-reflectance to bear on government). 5. The right to conduct one's own religious thought and practice (within the bounds of civil, lawful behavior). But, this right does not permit the theocrat to form and manage a subset of laws that conflict with the Constitutional Law and statute that derives from such Law. Therefore, we have a viable social-political system that preserves a widely variable and moral society of individuals that recognize a "Common Good" together with obligations and responsibilities of republic Citizenship that must survive and be maintained with vigilance. It is the most malleable, effective and forward-sighted system of government ever devised. It is the most successful and has raised more people out of poverty than any other system ever has. Furthermore, it is the best system available to place a proper Umpire between the excesses of the Bible-based moralists and the insistence by minorities for the right to reasonably express Human sexuality and morality in the public sense. None of all of this should be expected to work perfectly. But, it should, rightfully, be expected to work. Rev. Ken  (May 15, 2016 | post #39807)

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Homosexuality and the Bible

I understand. The same thing happened to the Mayans. They used up all of the trees. Finding balance and ecological responsibility is key to survival of all sorts. We are in the midst of a huge mass extinction, mostly man made. It is a race.  (May 13, 2016 | post #39800)