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Martinsville, VA

Angrytown

Maybe some people enjoy chatting about "religion " I'm sure people are having fun in Martinsville. Dang, they forgot to post about it though.  (Jul 4, 2012 | post #2)

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Home Churching

Is this Shawn?  (Feb 7, 2012 | post #15)

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Johnny Robertson Admits He Was Wrong about Divorce

You ask, "Otherwise why make them separate?" What was the reason in Ezra?  (Jan 24, 2012 | post #62)

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Youth Revival @ Bassett Worship Center

I have answered this many times on here.  (Jan 24, 2012 | post #49)

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Johnny Robertson Admits He Was Wrong about Divorce

I’ve been waiting days for someone from Johnnys side to come out and say Ezra was wrong. Johnny has hinted that Ezra was wrong in the sense that the words used actually mean something other than they appear. Wives = only in the sense of words describing false wives but not actual wives, according to Johnny. Put away = not an actual divorce just words to explain the putting away of false marriages, according to Johnny. Wow, this has to be the worst twist on scripture that I have ever seen.  (Jan 24, 2012 | post #51)

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Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

I totally agree that Baptism is the POINT that the sinner is added to the Body of Christ, raised to walk in newness of life. I think, though, that most here take this as if we are promoting baptismal regeneration. This is why I am attempting to show how EIS points to the GOSPEL. Thus, in Baptism one OBEYS the gospel, looking back to the finished work of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection from the dead. It’s no water that wipes away sin, but the Blood that Jesus shed on the cross. However, repentance and baptism are commanded in light of this. Yes, with intent and purpose. EIS goes all the way back to the cross and with the view of what Jesus done, the sinner repents and is baptized, wherein God does a work Col. 2:11-12 and Rom 6:4  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #17)

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Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

Exactly! And, how does one OBEY the GOOD NEWS – THE GOSPEL? How can people OBEY the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus? Rom. 6:4 shows that form of doctrine that was OBEYED. This is also why I believe EIS in Acts 2 points back to the cross, the event OBEYED. I think too often that the church of Christ present baptism in such a way that it almost seems like “it” regenerates the sinner. I believe more emphasis needs to be on Jesus’ Blood forgiving sin on the cross and our response is OBEYING the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #14)

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Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

I never said the good news was baptism. Neither is the good news repentance. My whole point is that “eis” POINTS back to the GOOD NEWS, not water baptism. Nonetheless, Peter commands both repentance and baptism. The point I am trying to make is, did Peter command repentance and baptism as something the sinner does in view of his sins already forgiven on the cross…. or is Peter saying that the sinner repents and get baptized in order to obtain remission? Either position makes repentance and baptism essential acts but one view allows for other groups besides the church of Christ group. Personally, I believe they repented and were baptized with a view of Jesus’ shed Blood which already occurred for remission of sins. Peter just explained to them the GOOD NEWS and obviously they understood Jesus was the last and ONLY sacrifice for sins thus they knew His Blood wrought about forgiveness. This prompt the question in Acts 2, “what shall we do.” Do about what? They just heard Peter preach and understood the GOOD NEWS, now they wanted to know WHAT TO DO about the GOOD NEWS. Peter then commanded repentance and baptism EIS remission of sins. Again, I believe the preposition EIS looks backwards to the GOOD NEWS where Jesus forgave sin, not to a pool of water in order that one contact the Blood of Christ. However, Col: 2:11-12 and Romans 6 show the point that God works and operation on man, raising him to newness of Life. When a sinner looks unto Jesus for remission of sins and acts in faith through repentance and baptism, he is added to the Body of Christ.  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #13)

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Baptism as a “witness” before men?

When THAT which is perfect is come ( The Bible Put Together By The Roman Catholic Church lol ) certain gifts were done away with. I’m not completely sold on “that which is perfect” being the completion of the written Word of God. Its plausible, yes. Still though, I am not convinced Paul was referring to a time when the word of God would be put together by the RCC and called the Holy Bible; and I’m pretty sure the Corinthian Church were not thinking this when Paul made that comment. So, how would the Corinthian Church have understood Paul in this regard?  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #45)

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Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

If we are repenting “eis” remission of sins, then are we not looking BACK to the cross, the work of Jesus? In other words, does “eis” in Acts 2:38 act in reference to a work of Jesus or a work of ours in baptism? Are we repenting to obtain remission or repenting with a view of remission that occurred by Jesus on the cross? This is where I think that the church of Christ fail or do not do a good job explaining things. Most of the time the church of Christ act as though we activate Jesus’ Blood when we are baptized thus causing our sins to be forgiven. I totally disagree with this. I believe Jesus Blood was shed ONCE and for all. The question is, “what shall we do?” Do we repent and get baptized purposely that we appropriate forgiveness in water baptism? Or, do we accept the fact that Jesus already provided forgiveness via His blood thus repent and get baptized in light of what Jesus already done? Either way, baptism is just as essential as repentance but this view means that others are added to the body as well……NOT just the church of Christ group. It seems to me that Peter was pointing them BACK to Jesus for forgiveness, not to a pool of water for remission of sins. This, in no way takes away from baptism or repentance, but places faith in Jesus alone, while repentance and baptism are done in faith = obeying the Gospel?  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #9)

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>>>Attention Faith Aloners<<<

I have used the word “eis” in Acts 2:38 this way in the past. I mean, if we are repenting “eis” remission of sins, then are we not looking BACK to the cross, the work of Jesus. In other words, does “eis” in Acts 2:38 act in reference to a work of Jesus or a work of ours in baptism? This is where I think that the church of Christ fail or do not do a good job explaining things. Most of the times its as though we activate Jesus’ Blood when we are baptized thus causing our sins to be forgiven. I totally disagree with this. I believe Jesus Blood was shed ONCE and for all. The question is, “what shall we do?” Do we repent and get baptized purposely that we appropriate forgiveness? Or, do we accept the fact that Jesus already provided forgiven via His blood and repent and get baptized in light of what Jesus already done. Either way, baptism is just as needed as repentance but this view means that others are added to the body as well…NOT just the church of Christ group. It seems to me that Peter was pointing them BACK to Jesus for forgiveness, not to a pool of water for remission of sins. This, in no way takes away from baptism or repentance, but places faith in Jesus alone, while repentance and baptism are acted done in faith.  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #170)

Martinsville, VA

Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

Johnny, I don’t think SW or anyone is “attacking” you or making it “personal.” But, anywho, if you wish to not weigh-in, that’s ok, but your input is welcomed. Far as Jesus’ sacrifice for sins, I don’t recall SW or myself denying this. I happen to agree with you and Bobby on this. I even agree with Bobby about Baptism not being the agency of salvation. When Peter says “baptism saves”, I believe he meant that in a way that represents the “whole” of salvation, not in a “saved by water” sense. I don’t think the conditions are the same as they were in the OT. I’m not sure this is the direction SW wants this thread to go, so I am waiting for him to expound more on this.  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #5)

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Youth Revival @ Bassett Worship Center

The Bible speaks of each thing you mentioned, so its obviously authorized.  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #40)

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Setting A Dangerous Precedent - READ!

I agree with Bobby far as Jesus being preached in the Old and New Testament and his point is equally valid regarding Jesus’ Blood covering the OT Saints. Just curious how this is weighing on your thinking?  (Jan 23, 2012 | post #3)