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I'm not talking about amplifying the obvious noise - i'm talking about amplifying ambient noise. And even obvious noise - like bangs, thumps, scrapes, etc will reveal some hidden messages. Of course you have to record it and analyze it.  (Mar 23, 2013 | post #12515)

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Gang Stalking and psychological harassment

from my experience it's not as simple as it sounds. I'm under this harassment to the most extreme form. The best thing that you can do is to get contact microphone so you can amplify the noise. The more you dig the hairier it becomes. In the beginning I was thinking that they are using through wall radar, but now i'm forced to conclusion that it's almost like "truman show" situation. If it's some simple noise bullshit the neighbors will not notice your "spying" at all and you'll just clarify the situation for yourself. But if it's deliberate and systematic harassment they'll be aware of it very soon. I'm not sure how many people are residing in your apartment and can confirm your account, but that is crucial in situations like this.  (Mar 23, 2013 | post #12506)

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there is also logical fallacy in dataasylum claims. he says that nano particles are sprayed by chemtrails and it's everywhere in our environment. So obviously even perps are carrying such particles, CEO's and even presidents of the states. He "proves" existence of it with red wine "test". If these particles are in all of us it doesn't prove any sort of targeting. His method to "disable " nano implants with shocks by paired electroshock devices. He didn't such painful and potentially life threatening method on himself for some reason. I think the foundation of group stalking are exploited/modified social processes that allows it to exist without raising some sort of red flags in population that is not targeted. Good old divide and rule, but weaponized micromanaged on community scale.  (Feb 25, 2013 | post #11839)

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I feel exactly the same way. The loss of social status is probably biggest source of stress for most of TI's. With little imagination one can project a negative outcome in many social situations, thus limiting interaction and isolating himself. So "clearing name" part also becomes more and more distant. Worrying about the nature of the rumors doesn't stop as target constantly is reminded about it. Natural process of rumors and gossip is that it stops short of their targets, constructed to prevent for people to learn too much of what others think of them. So it's important to separate the natural processes of "scarlet letter", "crab mentallity" or "law of jante" and punishment methods that couldn't have been implemented solely by community itself. Something we take for granted, thinking it's fundamental right to be free in free country. To be left alone.  (Feb 4, 2013 | post #7238)

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I'm trying not to fixate on any specific idea as there is very little information to connect the dots. Targeted individual is very important aspect, but not necessarily main aspect. If it's a research on some sort of social/cultural weaponry - the individual becomes secondary focus. If it's a set up for something TI might become in the future (violent, crazy, criminal) - institutions that would be taking care of such individual comes to mind. One possible focus is on social aspect of it as attack is not only on the individual, but community that individual resides as well. Community for most part have to support the attack, meaning it's defined as benefiting community. It's not like they are forced to do anything. Probably instructed. The reality that appears for TI is not necessarily the same as it appears for others. I like to encounter different point of view as naturally i'm inclined to step in their shoes and try to understand their position on the issue. I don't quite understand your definition of OS/GS, we might be talking about something entirely different. You blame corruption and obstruction. What if OS/GS is procedure to be followed, method to be executed, some sick scientific research where protocols are followed and closely monitored? Will it be corruption, unethical research or crime?  (Feb 4, 2013 | post #7231)

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pwt, I don't get corruption simply for the sake of corruption. It has to benefit some entity in some way. I understand the nasty rumor and population at large will react towards a target with negativity, but there is always "organized " methodical aspect of the social punishment in the case of OS/GS. Hidden hand is involved. The way you describe OS it's as if there is widespread corruption and gangstalking is some sort of natural side effect of it. Everyone knows that power corrupts, politicians are corrupt, officials are corrupt, contractors corrupt, everyone in position of power has potential for corruption, etc.. The term so so overreaching that meshing it with GS/OS doesn't really provide any answers, but waters the issue down. How does corruption initiates OS on a target? Are you referring to "moral" corruption of the system?  (Feb 4, 2013 | post #7229)

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I don't think it's wise to get stuck on some sort of label or definition of OS, TI's, true victim, perps and so on. Corruption or intentional program that benefits some party is not clear. One has to understand that every TI's perception of environment is limited, disturbed and disrupted, they judge OS from their prism of isolation of how they understand society and their own diminished/~ing status in it. pwt you seem to be pointing towards the corruption as the source of OS/GS. I understand that corruption is rampant everywhere, but how does that influence OS/GS? Is corruption because OS/GS legit method to deal with criminals and perverts, but being directed at individuals who don't deserve it or OS/GS is some sort of side effect of corruption?  (Feb 3, 2013 | post #7219)

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Problem solution depends on the problem definition. If we can't at this moment succinctly define the problem and ask aparatchick like yourself to do it for us - it doesn't help as it will be blamed on delusion on our part. It's like having partially complete jigsaw puzzle where you can only see some sort of undefinable shape. We do not ask you to solve the puzzle as it's not possible for one man to solve it in one go. You can only help by adding one piece and only if you take it seriously.  (Feb 2, 2013 | post #7211)

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The error is on your part as you assume that we're not talking about complex system. Your solution is simple - medication and institutionalizati on as it's highly improbable that unusual punishment exists in real world especially for average joes like us. It doesn't make sense. We're faced with abnormal problem that defies logic, reason and narrative of normal social life as we know it. How do you expect aboriginal person to solve a crossword in japanese language? He wouldn't even understand concept of the puzzle, let alone japanese language. Thats the dilemma we TI's face. At least that's how i try to look at it. It's hard to define the problem as the precedent for solution is not there.  (Feb 2, 2013 | post #7209)

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we do not know motives of these companies. we assume, speculate, rationalize. as with all independent contractors even with oversight there is always abuse and corruptio. They are about making money afterall. We do not know how everyone else feels, we experience deliberate, methodical and systematic social punishment that is directed at us.  (Feb 2, 2013 | post #7205)

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I think it's relevant to targeted individuals as most of them feel as if community thinks of them as some sort of threat. Another important aspect is that most of these companies are private enterprises directly drawing public funds. So they would directly benefit of "management " of dangerous member of community. Another thing is secrecy.  (Feb 2, 2013 | post #7201)

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