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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

God created beings other than Himself. By definition, they must have free will, else they would not be "other." As "other" they had the opportunity to choose good or evil - God would not intervene. Man chose evil, and evil grew. Did God have the right to create beings other than Himself? I would wonder at that. But if im created with a lesser version of the logic God uses, I cannot judge Him. He, witha greater logic has already jydged Himself innocent.  (Nov 11, 2013 | post #675)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

I thought it was unlikely too when I read McElveens book, so I contacted him and asked for more info. Then I called the guy and got the story straight from him. Gay, no, not likely at all. For one thing Im not stridently anti homosexual. That seems to be one of the signs. Thats why I suggested you check your latent meter - youre pretty strident against religion.  (Nov 11, 2013 | post #667)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Fair enough. My previous posts are genuine questions I have about a materialistic only universe. They represent questions I have never seen adequately answered. Do you have an answer, or just more presuppositions?  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #658)

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Do you love God?

I didnt ask Him to. He offerred because He loves. He did it before I was born? Should I reject it? Wouldnt that be a huge insult to His love?  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #8)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

And atheists dont have varying degrees of latent God consciousness? I met a preacher in Bremerton who once was a strident atheist. An old fashioned Baptist pteacher visited him one day, and asked him if he knew for sure that he was going to heaven. The predictable conversation ensued - point - counterpoint. Floyd McElveen, the preacher, saw it was going nowhere, and the Holy Spirit gave him strange words. He told the atheist - I am going to tell you the gospel, and in five minutes you are going to trust Jesus as your Savior. He told him that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He died for our sins, that He rose from the dead, and offerred a very real salvation from sin to all who trust Him. After the presentation, the atheist bowed his head and trusted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He met God that day, and when I met him he had beena Baptist preacher for about 20 years. You might be surprised whats latent Iin you.  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #656)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Homosexuals have no instinct for the opposite sex. That does not disprove the premise of the norm. It just shows that there are aberrations to the norm.  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #654)

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Do you love God?

Yes I do. Lord Jesus died for my sins Lord Jesus rose from the dead and called me personally to take His salvation. When I responded Lord Jesus forgave my sins, and told me in my deepest soul I was forgiven. He sent His Spirit to me and completely transformed my life. Every day He stays with me directing, growing me, and turning me away from sin. Lord Jesus loves me very much. Yes I love God.  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #1)

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Questions that every Christian should ask.

I would like to see - even once - for these Muslims to answer your answers.  (Nov 10, 2013 | post #20)

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Questions that every Christian should ask.

Actually the Old Testament prophets offered sacrifices of clean animals for their sins. There was no value in the sacrifices themselves, but they pointed to the coming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God covered their sins because of the animal sacrifices, but full forgiveness came when Jesus died as the complete payment for sins  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #7)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

How in heaven did you read all that into my post? I was being facetious, not slamming you. Your probably a nice guy - we'd probably get along.  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #652)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Thanks. All this still seems to me to lack the foot pounds to insert the God need into our instincts - or at least close to instinct level. A materialistic universe should produce life forms that have materialistic needs. We didnt evolve a fight or flight mechanism that relies on the flapping of our arms to escape predators. We didnt evolve reproductive need of intimacy with 7 legged green aliens. Yet we did evolve a God need. I see your point, but to me it lacks explaining power.  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #646)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Cmon Igor, Youre better than this.  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #642)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Ah, you sound like a preacher - an atheist preacher, but a preacher nonetheless. You are missing my point. Why did the concept of God get so deeply ingrained in our psyche as to be almost an emotional need? I can believe a materialistic universe can produce the concept of God to some people - but that doesnt explain its deep collective marinated ingraining. Natural selection produces that kind of instinct ONLY on the basis of need. Man needs to reproduce - so natural selection (assuming it wasnt God) produced the "falling in love" mechanism. Mankind needs to survive emergencies - so natural selection produced the fight or flight adrenalin rush. Why was the God instinct produced in the first place, and why didnt natural selection destroy it as inefficient?  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #636)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Admit it - science does not disprove God. The fact that science explains how the material world functions does not mean it explains how it got here. A couple of thoughts. 1How did a completely materialistic universe so deeply ingrain the concept of God in humanity - that every culture until very recent ones has been religious. The concept of God is very deeply ingrained in man. How did a godless universe make it so deeply ingrained it is almost instinctive? 2 How did that concept survive. Religion is expensive - religious societies are inefficient in their resources, in that they tithe, support temples with time energy and money that could have been used elsewhere for yhe betterment of that society. Religion causes wars? Thats terribly expensive and inefficient. Why didnt natural selection weed it out before it even came close to being so deeply established in mans psyche?  (Nov 9, 2013 | post #627)

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Richard Dawkins - God is evil, pedophilesa not so bad

Thats another topic. While I dont mind expanding our conversation, I am starting to get the sense youre not actually reading what I am writing. I understand - you have been juggling multiple conversations today on tough subjects. I would like to finish the conversation surrounding your last two questions though before I answer any more.  (Nov 8, 2013 | post #623)