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Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

A new website is available at www.libertypetitio n.com  (Sep 23, 2012 | post #41)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

"While the use of the mark was certainly knowing, there is no evidence that the Defendant intended to confuse the public into believing that his church was one of the Plaintiffs’. Rather, the proof supports the conclusion that they chose the name based on a divine revelation." (Judge J. Daniel Breen, Order Granting in Part and Denying in Part Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment) "The evidence supports the conclusion that the Defendant chose the name for his church based on a divine revelation, rather than a desire to profit from any already established good-will towards the Plaintiffs’ church." (Ibid.) "The Plaintiffs rely heavily on the fourth element, evidence of actual confusion, in their motion for summary judgment. . . The only evidence of actual confusion presented by the Plaintiffs are entries in the guest book of the Defendant’s website by visitors to the site. Several of these visitors identify themselves as Seventh Day Adventists and comment on the contents of the website or ask for information on McGill’s church. (Id. at 7.) For example, one visitor stated that he was a Seventh-Day Adventist looking for “internet friendships,” while another complimented the Defendant’s “description about the New Start Program,” and yet another asked that McGill pray for her. (D.E. No. 37, Pls.’ Mem. in Supp., at 7.) However, these somewhat ambiguous entries do not conclusively indicate that these visitors mistakenly believed that the Defendant’s church was part of the “mother” church. . . Thus, there is no persuasive evidence of actual confusion." (Ibid.) "So far, no one has questioned the sincerity of McGill’s belief that God requires him to continue his infringing use of the plaintiffs’ marks. Being compelled to stop could substantially burden his religious practice." (Judge Karen Moore, U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit) Forgive me if I've interrupted your rhetoric, but in the event anyone is interested in facts, they are included above. Claiming this is "stealing " is as uneducated a position as to claim that Seventh-day Adventists stole the name "Adventist " from the Advent Christian Church. It was modified. So is ours.  (Sep 19, 2012 | post #24)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

"Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." (Matthew 25:44-45)  (Sep 19, 2012 | post #22)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

Oh, and one more thing... anyone who wants a legitimate answer to any of the common questions raised, including that of "fraud," is wholly encouraged to take a look at the FAQ on our forum, available here: http://csda-advent istchurch.to/forum /viewtopic.php?f=6 &t=4  (Sep 19, 2012 | post #20)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

http://pastorwalte rchickmcgilllawsui t.net/Walter_McGil l_and_the_Creation _Seventh_Day_Adven tist_Church_hoax.h tml Incidentally, thank you for that Hoax webpage, Eugene. I am informed that while Pr. McGill was being processed for confinement, the guard doing so searched the internet and found your website. He was positively impressed towards Pr. McGill as a result. Another individual recently came to the same conclusion after noting that one of the top pages (yours) was a "blatant smear attack." Truly "we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth." For those who support religious liberty - even for those they disagree with - signing and passing the petition to others will be greatly appreciated.  (Sep 19, 2012 | post #19)

US News

Christians Jailed for Church Name

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is having people imprisoned for of the name of their religion. Two members of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church were jailed for several weeks in July. They believe their Church’s name was inspired by God; thus, they cannot alter it despite being sued for trademark infringement. All indications are that they will be returning to jail soon unless the lawsuit is dropped. Please sign this petition of protest. Everyone, whether religious or not, should be free to practice (or not practice) their beliefs without fear of punishment. Tell the Seventh-day Adventist Church that you support Free Exercise, and the Separation of Church and State, and that putting people in jail for the name of their church is not improving their reputation with you or anyone else. http://www.change. org/petitions/pres ident-general-conf erence-of-seventh- day-adventists-sto p-asking-courts-to -imprison-creation -seventh-day-adven tists For more information about the lawsuit, please see http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Creatio n_Seventh_Day_Adve ntist_Church#U.S._ Federal_Trademark_ Lawsuit  (Sep 16, 2012 | post #1)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventists Jailing Adventists - Petition

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is having people imprisoned for of the name of their religion. Two members of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church were jailed for several weeks in July. They believe their Church’s name was inspired by God; thus, they cannot alter it despite being sued for trademark infringement. All indications are that they will be returning to jail soon unless the lawsuit is dropped. Please sign this petition of protest. Everyone, whether religious or not, should be free to practice (or not practice) their beliefs without fear of punishment. Tell the Seventh-day Adventist Church that you support Free Exercise, and the Separation of Church and State, and that putting people in jail for the name of their church is not improving their reputation with you or anyone else. http://www.change. org/petitions/pres ident-general-conf erence-of-seventh- day-adventists-sto p-asking-courts-to -imprison-creation -seventh-day-adven tists  (Sep 16, 2012 | post #1)

Loma Linda, CA

REDLANDS: Tennessee man arrested in dispute with Adventists

A petition to stop this lawsuit and the imprisonment of the church's members is available here: http://www.change. org/petitions/pres ident-general-conf erence-of-seventh- day-adventists-sto p-asking-courts-to -imprison-creation -seventh-day-adven tists  (Sep 16, 2012 | post #3)

Seventh-day Adventist

Adventist Pastor SUED by the GC

Sigh. No, the CSDA Church is not a business. No, the CSDA Church is not incorporated OR registered as 501(c)3, as it allows the government control over what a church says and does. As far as Shubee and slander, well, the site he linked would certainly be the source for it. Pr. McGill's response is available here: http://pastorwalte rchickmcgilllawsui t.net/Walter_McGil l_and_the_Creation _Seventh_Day_Adven tist_Church_hoax.h tml Yes, any and all of this can be found online by the most cursory of research. Please don't believe everything you see on youtube and forums. Sincerely, - Lucan Chartier  (Jul 19, 2012 | post #20)

San Bernardino, CA

Pastor Jailed, Hunger Strike over Church Name

Steff, Have you actually verified any of the things you're talking about? Since you "don't know him personally" it sounds like you're going entirely on third-party reports about what his enemies have said about him. That's hardly a Christian approach to judging a man. Maybe you should consider finding out for yourself instead of going on the reports of people who obviously have a negative view of him. Might sound crazy, but sometimes people don't actually tell the truth about people they dislike. :) Just a thought: He has a public email address, or, you know, you could swing up to San Bernardino and schedule a visit in the jail. I know the man, and I tell you the truth; he's none of the things you've described. Further, he is always open to answering honest questions. Worst case scenario, you know for yourself who he is instead of having to go on reports. Worst case scenario, you verify all the terrible things you've heard and can cite your own experience. Best case scenario, you find out its a misunderstanding and can stop having dislike for someone that isn't justified. I'd hate to face God and find out I'd been spreading false reports about one of His children, wouldn't you?  (Jul 17, 2012 | post #4)

Loma Linda, CA

Pastor Jailed, Hunger Strike over Adventist Name

PASTOR ARRESTED FOR NAME OF CHURCH, GOES ON HUNGER STRIKE Seventh-Day Adventist Church Has Pastor Jailed, Church Members Soon to Follow On July 15th, Pastor Walter "Chick" McGill of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church will be turning himself into the custody of the U.S. Marshals service on the Loma Linda University grounds in Loma Linda, CA in response to a Federal warrant for his arrest. He has vowed to fast from solid foods during his incarceration. He is wanted for contempt of court stemming from a lawsuit initiated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church over the name of his church, claiming trademark infringement. Pastor McGill has refused to change the name of his church, declaring that the name is God-given with its use required by the religion; a view that the Seventh-day Adventist church also subscribes to, at least on paper. The denomination, normally seen as a champion of religious liberty, has requested the arrest of Pastor McGill and other church members to force compliance. Several news agencies are expected to cover the event, including a brief press conference beforehand. www.pastorwalterch ickmcgilllawsuit.n et  (Jul 11, 2012 | post #1)

San Bernardino, CA

Pastor Jailed, Hunger Strike over Church Name

PASTOR ARRESTED FOR NAME OF CHURCH, GOES ON HUNGER STRIKE Seventh-Day Adventist Church Has Pastor Jailed, Church Members Soon to Follow On July 15th at 2:00 pm, Pastor Walter "Chick" McGill of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church will be turning himself into the custody of the U.S. Marshals service on the Loma Linda University grounds in Loma Linda, CA in response to a Federal warrant for his arrest. He has vowed to fast from solid foods during his incarceration. He is wanted for contempt of court stemming from a lawsuit initiated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church over the name of his church, claiming trademark infringement. Pastor McGill has refused to change the name of his church, declaring that the name is God-given with its use required by the religion; a view that the Seventh-day Adventist church also subscribes to, at least on paper. The denomination, normally seen as a champion of religious liberty, has requested the arrest of Pastor McGill and other church members to force compliance. Several news agencies are expected to cover the event, including a brief press conference beforehand. www.pastorwalterch ickmcgilllawsuit.n et  (Jul 11, 2012 | post #1)

Guys, TN

People of Corinth are a Disgrace, for Allowing Horrible C...

Hi, Little bit of a side-note here (feel free to overlook this for the main discussion); I've not head of "CARE" before, but I'd like to invite you to re-examine your view of your Bible and Church History; particularly when you are advocating ignoring parts. Genesis 1:20 says nothing about a soul; it mentions "life," which is a generic term that applies to everything from vegetation to the "running " action of water (Lev 14:5). The word "Ruach" means breath, also wind, air, gas, etc. as you'll find are the primary definitions from the Strong's concordance you cited. The passage in the Old Testament (Is. 66:3) is speaking nothing of the killing of animals being wrong, but of the sacrifices being useless and even a crime if the heart is impure. A dog was an unclean animal, it's offering being an insult to God. Much is the same today of church service, incidentally. Ironically, 1 Timothy isn't really anti-vegetarian either; the word "meat" is the generic word in Greek for "food," just as "creature " is a general term for "creation. " Of course, there are plenty of other passages that address meat eating specifically (eating things offered to idols, eating that which is sold in the shambles, Christ Himself offering, giving, making, and eating fish in His glorified body, etc), and obviously ignoring them would be entirely out of order - as would ignoring any other portion of Scripture. Generally, if you're going to ask people to search their Bibles, you probably shouldn't start off with "But ignore the parts we don't like the sound of." That said, you're entirely correct regarding killing animals for fun, hurting them for entertainment, etc. not being something found in Scripture; "A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel." (Pro. 12:10)  (Aug 7, 2010 | post #33)

Anneta, KY

Town Pronunciation

Really? Nobody?  (Jul 22, 2010 | post #2)

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