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Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

For those who do believe, no evidence is necessary, for those who do not believe, no amount of evidence will suffice. As mentioned time and time again, for those seeking 'proof' or solid evidence, that seems very elusive when it comes to this and other similar topics. Be it Bigfoot, or aliens from another 'where-ever', Nessie, and so on,,, none can be validated with undeniable scientific evidence. Of course there are the occasional eyewitnesses, but, ironically, eyewitness accounts in most cases is considered very unreliable. All the Ghost-Hunter programs on TV with bumps and bangs cold spots, and 'orbs' may or may not be many things. No need to come to this topic and ridicule anyone,,, if you are a rock solid skeptic, then why are you here ? Perhaps this topic is scorned somewhat because of magicians/illusion ists,,,there is no such thing as magic,,, you can not really pull a rabbit out of a hat, the rabbit has to be in that hat to begin with,,, you can not really saw a lady in half,, or make an elephant disappear from the stage. Those 'tricks' have entertained for centuries,,,, no one really tried to discredit what they thought they saw, because how it was done is the 'magic',, so magicians get a pass,,,,,,,,, for those who claim to have had paranormal experiences, apparently must pay for the magicians' free ride,,,  (Oct 11, 2010 | post #233)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

Well,, there-in lies the answer,,, if the story is not true, then the landlord could file legal papers against the author, for causing his/her house to be unable to rent or sell. If however all of the manifestations, or happenings are accurate, where is the problem. If one would describe a house, he rented, that was robbed 5 times, and stated that in a book, if factual, it is that , a true fact, not speculation, or imagined. And if there is hauntings in a house, does not that fall under the "full disclosure" policy required by the seller/renter, meaning you must describe all flaws or items that need repair to perspective clients.  (Apr 13, 2010 | post #219)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

Name changes for non-fiction accounts are not uncommon. If you use an actual person's name in a supposed true story, and that person does not approve or agree with what you say about them, or he/she is not a part of the production,, they can take legal action, or at the very least, go to the press and discredit your story. This happened with the filming of Bonnie and Clyde, with at least three real life characters, who raised a stink about how they were depicted in film. So,,,, if you tell a true story, and do not share the profit with the real people that you refer to in your story, they may not agree with 'your' depiction, so,,,you can get in a bind; that being said,, if you tell a story, with non-existent characters,, you perhaps can enhance or embellish with no limits,,, or make it more difficult for those whom you upset.  (Apr 8, 2010 | post #215)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

---correction---- I mean no disrespect,,,,,,  (Apr 3, 2010 | post #210)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

I mean no respect, or intend to insult or cause distress to anyone. I may disagree with you about the comparison to mental illness. That is not a one-on-one occurrence, and can be easily studied or verified by any number of experts at any given time. My only question, is when one person, out of many makes claims of noises, smells, orbs, or other apparitions,,,, that no one else has experienced, in the same location, at the same time or before or after,,,, I have to step back and consider the claim. We were all told of the happenings at the Amityville house,,,,, which by 'most' all accounts in recent years, was said to have been a fraud. I watch all the Ghost Hunter shows,,, they never seem to really find anything, other than a noise, or flash of light they can not identify. And the EVP or what ever recordings,,,, they always tell you what 'the voice' is saying before they play the recording,,, that is a common carnival midway trick,,,, so you will hear what they say,,, not what you hear, which is usually a muffled, non-specific word or phrase that could be many things, not just a voice from the other side. Miss-direction is also used by magicians,, there is no such thing as "magic", , you can not cut a woman in half, or make an elephant disappear,, or pull nickels out a person's ear,,, the human mind is a wonderful, power entity in itself,, it can fool your eyes, and fool your ears,, that is how magicians have survived for hundreds of years,, it is a skill they developed over the years/centuries. A magician is in control, he determines what your mind sees and hears,,, how,,, another great mystery. And these spirits,,, are they smart or dumb,,, do they want to be seen or heard,,, or do they want to remain mysterious or stealth, so they can continue doing what they do forever. They never seem to show up when a full camera and sound crew show up to do an investigative report. Yet they will when a small or single camera and recording crew is there. So why expose themselves to small operations, but not large big budget ones ???? UFOs never land at half time at the Super Bowl,, where there is a lot of 'energy'. But instead, they land out in the swamp. Again,, I hope you find peace soon, and hope you find someone who can help you get rid of your problem,,, for lack of a better word,,, and not take advantage of you for their own gain.  (Apr 2, 2010 | post #209)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

http://www.stevena lachance.com/home. html Well, for me,,, his website seems a little 'corny',, spooky music, spooky dialogue,,, seems like a late night commercial during a spooky movie. Again, the topic here is the house, how many people lived here before and after that had no incidents. It just seems with many of these "houses" that are claimed to be haunted or possessed, never stay that way, they were, and now they are not. When you describe or claim paranormal experiences,with an eyewitness account, there still must be facts and corroboration to support the claims. Without that, no matter what the investigation is about, you can reach no conclusion that supports the claim. In criminal law, while single person eye witness testimony gets grand headlines, it is believed to be very inaccurate and unreliable, with pointed cross examination.  (Mar 31, 2010 | post #207)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

You make a good point there Dasily,,,, very few times does a house seem to continue to haunt, after a resident moves out who made astounding claims about the paranormal. The Amityville house is a good example. Yes there were murders there, that is easily verified with facts and evidence. Ok,, Butch DeFeo made claims he 'told' to do the murders by some evil force,,,,,, well there ya' go,,, a claim with no facts or evidence. So,,, are some people 'special',, or have unique skills that allow then to , see or sense the paranormal,,,,,, or are they just equipped with an over active imagination ?????? If there was evil in a house, and that evil did not want 'anyone' in that house, that entity would throw things,, break things,, and do 'physical' damage to the house or residents, no matter what there personal skills were,,,,,, if you spend too much time in the sun,,,, everyone will get sunburned,, if you stand in the rain,,,, everyone will get wet,,, action/reaction,,, if there is a gas leak, everyone will smell it., no magic or mystery. I guess I do not buy into the idea that a haunted/evil house, is only a haunted/evil house to a few,,, but not all. The human mind is an amazing machine, and may be capable of many things we can not, or will not ever understand,,,,,so, ,,, in your mind-heart-soul,,, if you think you saw a spirit/entity, or there really was a spirit/entity, there is no difference,,,,,,to you.  (Mar 18, 2010 | post #193)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

wow, a ton of info there Gilt-W,,,,, maybe the evil spirits are jamming and re-arranging your posts,,,, yup,,, must be that,,,, thanks for the info,,,  (Mar 18, 2010 | post #189)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

So it seems locally, there is not much support for it being a house out of the norm. Other than perhaps the happenings in the neighborhood, that are scary, but not paranormal. Since the original claims, can we assume none of the following residents who moved in, ever made known any claims of 'stuff' going on ? Again, not sure if one owns a haunted/infamous house it is good or bad,,,, could be hard to sell or rent,,, or maybe there are those who 'want' to live in such places, no matter what the costs. I will opt for a normal house,,, but then aren't they all normal, and on occasion some enterprising persons try to as you say, capture their 15 minutes ???? Was there a white haired guy living there, with a Toyota Prius parked out front ??? Thanks for the investigation Gilt-W,,,, looks like this myth is "Busted"  (Mar 17, 2010 | post #183)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

ok, G-weasel, will wait for your posting on what you find. it is interesting to hear you have such easy, close access to this infamous house. As I mentioned, many times 'neighbors' are agitated by onlookers and 'gauhkers' constantly hanging around their neighborhood. How about your friends nearby, are they all aware of the house's supposed history, do they believe, dis-believe, or really have no opinion or cares about the stories ? Good Luck,,,  (Mar 17, 2010 | post #179)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

I doubt if any one who lives near this house will be willing to offer any information. The locals are most likely annoyed by the stories and claims about the house. This type of notoriety is never welcome, it lacks the charm of say BigFoot or LochNess or even UFO sightings. I myself tend to be a skeptic, yet I do have an interest in the stories of hauntings. Maybe you can keep searching and come up with some more info.  (Mar 1, 2010 | post #176)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

Cool,,, Dasily,,,too bad you did not take some photos,,,,is it occupied now, or could you tell ?  (Feb 23, 2010 | post #174)

Union, MO

The Real Haunted House

Thanks for the update ahawk,,, Google Earth does show an 809 N Christina, sorta' puts it's bulls-eye on a parking lot north of tracks, at the intersection of W Brown St. and N. Christina. Be it this house, the Amityville and other houses,, so many times, the neighbors or locals are unaware of any odd happenings, or vehemently deny that anything ever happened,, guess that is what adds to the mystery.  (Feb 18, 2010 | post #172)

Prophetstown, IL

Tyco plant set to shut down: Prophetstown company will mo...

TYCO, cut the throat of it's employees,,,  (Feb 2, 2010 | post #1)

Southington, CT

The story behind 'The Haunting in Connecticut'

So what is the address of this supposed house,,, so I can google-earth it ,,  (Feb 2, 2010 | post #28)