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Visiting Loma Linda, California

Great article and all very true. I lived there from 1958 to 1994. I grew up within a block of where the VA hospital now stands. I still live only a few miles away. It was a great town for a kid to grow up in. It was more like a village when I moved there and is a lot different now, but it is still a good town, and very friendly.  (Aug 13, 2009 | post #1)

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Beware of Side Issues, Pettiness and Faultfinding

Great quotes, important to remember and put into practice.  (Aug 3, 2009 | post #2)

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How many books did Ellen White really write?

Remember that just because a prophet quotes from a source does not mean that the prophet is giving support to ALL of the source. Paul quotes pagan writers but of course he is not asking us to conclude that everything that writer said or taught is true. The same with Ellen White. She quoted and used the writings of many people, many of whom she had many disagreements.  (Aug 1, 2009 | post #57)

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If God is not a Trinity, and Jesus Had A Beginning....

A burning ember eventually grows cold when removed from the fire. "Let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching" (Hebrews 10: 24, 25). :-)  (Aug 1, 2009 | post #4362)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

Notice that the books of Maccabees are not part of the Protestant Bible, and for good reason. They were never recognized by the Jews as part of the canon, nor are they quoted by either Jesus or the NT writers. But even if we were to grant everything that's in the books of Maccabees, it would not prove that Antiochus IV Epiphanes is the little horn power. On the contrary they help to substantiate that he was not the fulfillment of the little horn power of Daniel 7 and 8. Are you aware that the books of Maccabees are not accurate and that they contradict each other? For instance, 1 Macc. 6: 1-13 says that the purification of the temple BEFORE the death of Antiochus IV, whereas 2 Macc. 9: 1-29 puts the purification afterwards. Which is telling the truth? There are other inaccuracies in the books, which you can read about in the Introductions to these books in the Catholic translations, as, for instance, in the New Jerusalem Bible. Even Catholic scholars readily admit these historical inaccuracies. Ellen White never said that 1 and 2 Maccabees are historically accurate.  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #344)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

No, Jesus was not foolish. But whether he was foolish or not does not depend on whether Antiochus IV is the little horn power. The simple fact that Jesus went a feast is no evidence that Jesus believed Antiochus IV was the fulfillment of the little horn power of Daniel's prophecy. It's a legitimate celebration of Jewish freedom from a tyrant and the rededication of the temple after being defiled by Antiochus IV. Can you show that this is proof of his being the little horn power?  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #343)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

Correction: the above should read "the MAD one." That is, Antiochus IV was known as "the mad one."  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #333)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

It's true that Hanukkah (Hebrew alt. Chanukah), also known as the Festival of Lights, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt of the 2nd century BCE. It should be obvious to anyone that the mere fact of a celebration of freedom from this brutal king, Antiochus IV, does not prove that he is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel 7 and 8. To prove who is the fulfillment of it, one must closely compare the prophetic specification with the historical record. When that is done, it becomes evident that Antiochus IV is not the "little horn" power of Daniel 8. He was a ruthless, evil, but unsuccessful Seleucid king of the middle period who was known as "the man one."  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #331)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

Check out the evidence: Antiochus' profanation of the temple lasted only 1, 080 days. How does that fulfill any prophecy, even if it were agreed that the 2300 evening-mornings were actually 1, 150 days. That is about 70 days off the mark. However, it can be proved that the prophecy of Daniel 8: 14 has nothing to do with morning and evening sacrifices. The Bible never refers to them in that way. The sequence "evening and morning" is the opposite of the sequence used in the Bible to designate the two daily sacrifices. Burnt offerings morning and evening is the sequence that the Bible consistently uses. See Exodus 29: 39; Numbers 28: 4. It is never "evening and morning," as found in Daniel 8: 14. "Evening and morning" has nothing to do with the sacrifices. Instead, the evening and morning sequence of Daniel is found in Genesis 1, which uses them to delineate a full day. When the Jews wished to designate the day and night separately, they mentioned the number of both, as in "forty days and forty nights." See Gen. 7: 4, 12. But even here, the expression "forty days and forty nights" meant forty full days, not twenty. Show an example of where the Bible refers to the sacrifices as "evening and morning." If you do so, we will grant you the 1, 150 days. But then you still have the problem that Antiochus's profanation does not fit the 1, 150 days. That is just the beginning of your problems of trying to show Antiochus as the little horn power. There's also the added fact that he did not arise "in the latter time of their kingdom," as Daniel 8: 23 specifies. Antiochus was eighth in line of the Seleucid dynasty, and he ruled from 175 to 164/3 BC. A dozen kings came after him, and only 7 came before him. Daniel 8 also talks about being for "the time of the end." See verse 17. Please explain in what sense Antiochus IV, who died 150 years before Christ, qualifies as one who was "in the time of the end." There is also the fact that Antiochus did not fulfill the following prophecies concerning the little horn-- 1) It arose out of the fourth beast, Rome. (Dan. 7: 7, 8) 2) It arose among the ten horns (v. 8) 3) It arose after the ten horns (v. 24) 4) It is different from the other horns (v. 24) 5) It would look more stout than his fellows (v. 20) 6) It uprooted three kingdoms (vv. 8, 20, 24) 7) It spoke great words against the Most High (v. 25) 8) It wore out the saints of the Most High (v. 25) 9) It thought to change times and laws (v. 25) 10) It reigned for "a time, times, and a dividing of time" (v. 25) If you believe Antiochus IV did fulfill those ten points, please show it. It can easily be shown that there is another power which does fulfill those points as well as others that the Bible gives.  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #327)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

Regarding Daniel 8: 9, I said, "Out of one of these four winds of heaven came up a 'little horn' which grew 'exceedingly great.'" Readers of the English versions sometimes assume that when the Bible says that the little horn arose out of "one of them," it means that it arose out of one of the four horns. What the Bible really means, though, is that it arose out of one of the four winds; that is, that the little horn power arose out of one of the four directions of the compass. (We are dealing with an idiom.) Nouns in Hebrew have grammatical gender. They are considered to be either masculine, feminine, or neuter. Many other languages also employ grammatical gender. And it is a rule in all of them that pronouns must agree with their antecedent nouns in being similarly masculine, feminine, or neuter. Even in English we think of a ship as feminine and refer to one with the feminine pronouns "she" and "her." In the Hebrew for Daniel 8: 8, 9, "horns" is feminine," and "winds" is either masculine or feminine. In the phrase "out of one of them," the pronoun "them" is masculine. That means that the antecedent noun for "them" cannot be "horns" but must be "winds." And so the little horn was to appear out of one of the four winds. It was to arise from one of the four directions of the compass. It's important to remember that the Roman Empire, small at first, arose from a point westward from the first three empires of prophecy. Some QUESTIONS for B Good-- Did Antiochus IV appear in "the latter end" of the Seleucid kingdom (Daniel 8: 23)? Did Antiochus IV really "prosper " (v. 12)? Did Antiochus IV grow "exceedingly great" (v. 9); that is, did he grow greater than Alexander the Great (v. 8)? (See NASV; NKJV; RSV)  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #326)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

Check out these identifying marks of the little horn power: And what is the identity of this power? Here are the identifying marks given in Daniel 8: a) It comes out of one of the four winds of heaven (v. 8), i.e., one of the four directions of the compass. b) It grows "exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land [i.e., Palestine]" (v. 9). This means it comes out of an area north-west of Palestine. NOTE: This little horn power grows "exceedingly great." Compare this with the fact that the third world kingdom (the he-goat) grew "very great." This means that the "little-horn " grows to be a greater power than that power described in v. 8. It can be shown that this power is Greece, or the kingdom under Alexander the Great. c) The "little horn" power grows up to the host of heaven and casts down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and tramples on them (v. 10). It exalts himself as high as as the Prince of the host (v. 11). d) It takes away "the continual" [Heb. "tamid"] (v. 11). e) It casts down the place of God's Sanctuary (v. 11). f) Because of sin, an army is given over to the little-horn power to oppose "the continual" [Heb. "tamid"] (v. 12). g) It casts truth to ground (v. 12). h) It does all the above and it prospers (v. 12). NOW WHO IS THE LITTLE HORN POWER? REMEMBER IT MUST FULFILL ALL OF THE IDENTIFYING MARKS.  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #325)

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SDA'S and Writings of Ellen G White/Contradict God

There are many good reasons that prove that Antiochus IV Epiphanes cannot possibly be the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding the sanctuary. Just to take two instances: 1) The little horn would be "exceedingly great." That means it would be greater than the Persian Empire or the Greek Empire. Obviously Antiochus IV did not become greater. 2) Nothing that Antiochus did fulfills the time referred to in Daniel 8: 14. No matter how you slice up the time, whether 2300 literal days or 1, 150 days, Antiochus did not fulfill the prophetic specifications. There are a number of other important ways in which it can be shown that Antiochus IV didn't fulfill the prophecy of Daniel.  (Jul 31, 2009 | post #324)

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If God is not a Trinity, and Jesus Had A Beginning....

Go back and reread what Ellen White has written concerning the churchBecause they are not true and faithful. They are not trustworthy. They are disaffected. The become offended and apostatize. She never talks about the sheep and the wheat separating from the Seventh-day Adventist church. It's the goats and the weeds that separate themselves and leave the ship. Why? Read below-- "They went out from us, but they were not of us" [1 John 2:19]. Men of true Christian principle will take their place, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the Word of God in its true bearings and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify Him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize. Manuscript Releases Volume Thirteen [Nos. 1000-1080](1990), page 11, paragraph 1 Ellen White also wrote: "Leave alone those who, after light has been repeatedly given them, have taken a stand on the opposite side..." UL 199 (Read the entire page.) I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus directed, but should be occupied with the present truth, and seeking wisdom that we may obtain a more thorough knowledge of our positions. While false doctrines and dangerous errors are pressed upon the mind, it cannot be dwelling upon the truth which is to fit and prepare the house of Israel to stand in the day of the Lord." EW 125.  (Jul 29, 2009 | post #4344)

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If God is not a Trinity, and Jesus Had A Beginning....

Correction: The above should read, "will NOT be diminished."  (Jul 28, 2009 | post #4335)

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If God is not a Trinity, and Jesus Had A Beginning....

I don't believe that Ellen White says anything about its being a good thing for SDAs to leave the church. She always talked about the weeds and the goats leaving, not the wheat or the sheep going out of the church. For instance: "They went out from us, but they were not of us" [1 John 2:19]. Men of true Christian principle will take their place, and will become faithful, trustworthy householders, to advocate the Word of God in its true bearings and in its simplicity. The Lord will work so that the disaffected ones will be separated from the true and loyal ones. Those who, like Cornelius, will fear God and glorify Him, will take their places. The ranks will not be diminished. Those who are firm and true will close up the vacancies that are made by those who become offended and apostatize. Manuscript Releases Volume Thirteen [Nos. 1000-1080] (1990), page 11, paragraph 1 NOTE: The disaffected ones separate from the true and loyal ones. She does not say anywhere that the true and loyal separate from the church. The ranks will be diminished but the vacancies of those who become offended and apostatize will be closed up by those who are firm and true. THE FIRM AND TRUE DO NOT BECOME OFFENDED AND APOSTATIZE.  (Jul 28, 2009 | post #4334)