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MEDIA REPEAT CONSERVATIVE CLAIM THAT NONBINDING HEALTH GUIDELINES FORESHADOW RATIONING Fox News, ABC, CNN repeat claim Fox News' America's Newsroom: "Doctors say the new rules are an example of the kind of rationing we can expect from government-run health care." On the November 19 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, Alisyn Camerota stated: CAMEROTA: There are controversial changes, as you all know, to mammogram guidelines out this week, leaving many women confused and even more doctors very upset: a government task force now recommending against annual screening for women in their 40s and mammograms only every other year for women in their 50s. Many doctors say the new rules are an example of the kind of rationing that we can expect from government-run health care. ABC News' McKenzie equated recommendations to "countries with nationalized health care" then quoted doctor saying: "It's about the beginning of rationing care." On the November 18 edition of ABC's World News, correspondent John McKenzie reported:.....Ther e's more: http://mediamatter s.org/research/200 911190029 (6 hrs ago | post #77)

In looking around, I found that I had linked to the wrong committee. It should have been 'U.S. Preventive Services Task Force' instead of ‘National Advisory Council for Healthcare Research and Quality.’ Both are under the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. My mistake. Results don't change though. New siteURL: http://www.ahrq.go v/about/council.ht m#Members WaPo Has an overview including this: “But Ned Calonge, who chairs the 16-member panel, defended the recommendations and denied that cost or the debate over health-care reform played any role in the decision. "Cost just isn't a consideration when the task force deliberates," said Calonge, who is also the chief medical officer for the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. Twelve of the task force members were seated during the Bush administration, and the remaining four were chosen before President George W. Bush left office, he said….” http://www.washing tonpost.com/wp-dyn /content/article/2 009/11/17/AR200911 1704197.html (7 hrs ago | post #76)

Then you get Fox Freak and Hate radio propagandist Laura Ingram allowing Palen to spew LIEs: PALIN LINKS NONBINDING MAMMOGRAM GUIDELINES TO "DEATH PANELS "On Laura Ingraham's radio show, Sarah Palin linked a task force's recent recommendations on breast cancer screenings to the widely debunked smear -- propagated by Palin -- that health care reform will include "death panels." Palin fearmongered about death panels despite the fact that the recommendations are not legally binding on health care providers or insurers.... INGRAHAM: What's your take? PALIN: I think that you have been brilliant on this, because the mammogram recommendation -- this whole issue is demonstrating precisely what you've pointed out, the problem about the panels, the death panels of government bureaucrats, and I think you call it the hospice chuting, the -- but those panels of bureaucrats having more and more input into Americans' personal decisions, decisions, really, that belong between them and their doctors. And this is what rationed care is going to be about...." http://mediamatter s.org/research/200 911200029 (7 hrs ago | post #75)

A few interesting scientific studies. STUDY FINDS LEFTWING BRAIN, RIGHT-WING BRAIN Even in humdrum nonpolitical decisions, liberals and conservatives literally think differently, researchers show......The results showed "there are two cognitive styles - a liberal style and a conservative style," said UCLA neurologist Dr. Marco Iacoboni, who was not connected to the latest research. http://www.latimes .com/news/science/ la-sci-politics10s ep10,0,5982337.sto ry YOUR BRAIN LIES TO YOU - WHY PROPAGANDA WORKS FALSE beliefs are everywhere. Eighteen percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth, one poll has found. Thus it seems slightly less egregious that, according to another poll, 10 percent of us think that Senator Barack Obama, a Christian, is instead a Muslim. The Obama campaign has created a Web site to dispel misinformation. But this effort may be more difficult than it seems, thanks to the quirky way in which our brains store memories — and mislead us along the way..... http://www.nytimes .com/2008/06/27/op inion/27aamodt.htm l IDEOLOGICAL ANIMAL Psych Today We're easily manipulated by politics. We think our political stance is the product of reason, but we're surprisingly malleable. Our essential political self is more a stew of childhood temperament, education, and fear of death. http://www.psychol ogytoday.com/rss/i ndex.php?term=2006 1222-000001&pa ge=1 SOME POLITICS MIGHT BE ETCHED IN THE GENES - SOCIAL LEANINGS COULD BE INHERITED "...But on the basis of a new study, a team of political scientists is arguing that people's gut-level reaction to issues such as the death penalty, taxes and abortion is strongly influenced by genetic inheritance. The new research builds on a series of studies that indicate that people's general approach to social issues - more conservative or more progressive - is influenced by genes." www.nytimes.com/20 05/06/21/science/2 1gene.html?pagewan ted=1&ei=5090 &en=dde7d8feed d2f87f&ex=1277 006400&partner =rssuserland&e mc=rss (7 hrs ago | post #1128)

Especially since the Reich-wing propagandists and politicians are BLATANTLY LYING about it. Today Fox ALLOWED Rep. Barrasso to LIE: Rather than mandating “what preventive measures are paid for or not,” the task force issues recommendations that help doctors decide on a course of treatment. Providers can use the recommendations as a starting point to examine a patient’s particular needs, but the task force has no authority over coverage or treatment decisions. Barrasso’s wife Bobbi Brown would have received a mammogram regardless of any recommendation. Wyoming, along with 48 other states, requires insurers to cover mammograms and if the Senate bill were to become law all insurers would be required to pay for the procedure. Under the bill, health insurance issuers would offer “services that have in effect a rating of ‘A’ or ‘B’ in the current recommendations of the United States Preventive Services Task Force” without “any cost sharing requirements.” Last week’s guideline was rated ‘C,’ meaning that the panel “recommends against routinely providing the service” but stipulates that doctors should “offer or provide this service only if other considerations support the offering or providing the service in an individual patient.” Ultimately, the Panel’s recommendations are just guidelines, not mandates. They have no authority to “decide what preventive measures are paid for or not.” http://wonkroom.th inkprogress.org/20 09/11/23/barrasso- mammogram http://thinkprogre ss.org/2009/11/23/ barasso-pull-the-p lug (8 hrs ago | post #74)

The URL I originally posted came directly from a google search of the full name and initials contained in one of the major newspaper articles. That is the Committee that made the dumb recommendation. That recommendation has no binding power AT ALL and was given a "C" priority. "yet there was committee created in the Stimulus bill" Don't think you are right about that. Public Option hadn't even become a strong talking point at that point in time. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the health care bill. Fox LIED about the Paps Smears, which came from a different orgamization: FEARMONGERING ABOUT RATIONING, BAIER FALSELY CLAIMED A "FEDERAL PANEL" PROMULGATED CERVICAL CANCER GUIDELINES Fact: ACOG is "a private, voluntary, nonprofit membership organization" that issued nonbinding guidelines unconnected to health reform The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), which on November 20 announced new recommendations for cervical cancer screenings, is not a "federal panel." In fact, it is a private membership organization. From the organization's website: Founded in 1951 in Chicago, Illinois, ACOG has over 52,000 members and is the nation's leading group of professionals providing health care for women. Now based in Washington, DC, it is a private, voluntary, nonprofit membership organization.... Additionally, the guidelines ACOG issued are nonbinding and a doctor involved in their development reportedly stated they had been "in the works for several years, 'long before the Obama health plan came into existence.'" http://mediamatter s.org/research/200 911200058 (8 hrs ago | post #73)

Just a little linguistic history: As Fox Freak Neil Cavuto said: “Score one for the tea baggers. Those silly folks with their silly protests and their often silly signs and silly outfits and silly rants…. http://www.foxnews .com/story/0,2933, 520899,00.html Rachel Maddow has a good overview of the history of and comments on teabagging a few days before the first teabagging parties. “Rachel Maddow and Ana Marie Cox Discuss the Merits of Tea-Bagging” http://tpmtv.talki ngpointsmemo.com/? id=2347026 Not quite as funny as: “JON STEWART ON THE TEA BAGGING OF THE WHITE HOUSE http://www.videosi ft.com/video/Jon-S tewart-on-the-Tea- Bagging-of-the-Whi te-House And of course, Colbert had to weigh-in commenting about “Perverts sully[ing] the patriotic act of a taxpayer rising up, standing over his government and delivering his opinion into the mouth of power.” http://www.colbert nation.com/the-col bert-report-videos /224789/april-16-2 009/the-colbert-co alition-s-anti-gay -marriage-ad AND THE PHOTO THAT STARTED IT ALL: They were inspired by a photo that the Washington Independent's David Weigel shot of one protester carrying a sign that was, if you knew that second meaning, pretty funny: "Tea bag the liberal Dems before they tea bag you !!" (sic). http://farm4.stati c.flickr.com/3640/ 3313864503_16bcc38 2fa.jpg?v=0 (9 hrs ago | post #1112)

Regardless of what the foxholes, dittoheads, and teabaggers think, even after 20 years of hate by Druggie Limpbaughs, "lib" is not a derogatory term. It is amusing that foxholes, dittoheads, and teabaggers have now ramped that term up to 'socialist' to try and get the desired insult. (But folks in all those socialist countries don't feel insulted....just amusement at the ignorance of the propagandized foxholes, dittoheads, and teabaggers.) (10 hrs ago | post #1102)

Damned if I know. Why don't you go find one and ask them? Ordinary Americans are just your typical slightly left of center working folks....unlike the brain dead foxholes, dittoheads and teabaggers victims of Reich-wing hate radio, fox falsifiers & other corporate funded propagandists. (10 hrs ago | post #1101)

Favela indicted on 5 counts of false voting

What a fool! Did this mental midget really think her extra vote would make any kind of difference? Karl Rove knew it is election fraud that really makes the difference. (16 hrs ago | post #2)

You did....at least twice. (21 hrs ago | post #1043)

Not changing the subject one iota. You asked the question: “Roy, why else do you think the president's health care programs is such an up hill fight?” And I was simply adding the sarcastic comment: “Roy, why else do you think the president's health care programs is such an up hill fight?” It’s all that damn librul media like Chris Matthews who lets the Mississippi Hillbilly governor tout Mississippi as a model for health care reform....." Just another factor I'd forgotten to include with the 100’s of millions of dollars of lobbying, advertising, campaign contributions, and Astro-turfed organizing of the tea-baggers from the insurance companies, big pharma, big hospital corps and Chamber of Commerce. Damn near 24/7 propaganda and LIEs by hate radio and the Fox Falsifiers being among the causes. It might be 2009, but the “big lie’ still works. (21 hrs ago | post #53)