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A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello BoniProverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. It sounds like John had both Wisdom and Understanding to me. Falling to one's feet is significant. Looking this following passage: Luke 17:15-19 (NASB) 15 Now one of them, when he saw that he had been healed, turned back, glorifying God with a loud voice, 16 and he fell on his face at His feet, giving thanks to Him. And he was a Samaritan. 17 Then Jesus answered and said, "Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine--where are they? 18 "Was no one found who returned to give glory to God, except this foreigner?" 19 And He said to him, "Stand up and go; your faith has made you well." If Christ is not God, why did Christ expect them to return Him to give glory to God? Couldn't they have given glory to God AWAY FROM CHRIST? Peace, Bob  (6 hrs ago | post #417)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

Hello BoniNot sure what you are asking here... Who gives the light? I am assuming you are referring to the source, such as the lamp or the bulb that the light is emanating from. 1John 1:5 (NWT) This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him. This same author also penned the following: Revelation 21:23 (NWT) And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp was the Lamb. Now if the source is the lamp and the lamp is the lamb, who is the lamb? Is the Lamb the source of God's Light? Hmmm.... Here is another interesting passage from this same author: John 12:35-36 (NWT) 35 So Jesus said to them: “The light will be among you a little while longer. Walk while you still have the light, so that darkness does not overpower you; whoever walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. 36 While you have the light, exercise faith in the light, so that you may become sons of light.” God is Light Lamp is the Lamb Light will be among you a little longer Faith in the Light = become sons of Light Does this answer your question? Peace, Bob  (Tuesday Jan 6 | post #18288)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello Boni, Nice to type at you againThere is one more instance and the one John fell at the feet of another before another and this one did NOT deny the worship... Revelation 1:17 (NASB) When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, Peace, Bob  (Friday Jan 2 | post #415)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello DaveThank you for your patience. This response has been a long time coming. I think you bring up a great point that an unknown number of persons can make up a corporation and from the onset, one has no idea of the number behind that entity. I believe even the apostle John had no idea of the number of persons that make up "God". Just look at the number of times he flopped to his knees to worship anyone or thing in Revelation. One time he was even looking at the Father and the Son and STILL worshiped another as if he were another person of God (Rev 22:7). Peace, Bob  (Friday Jan 2 | post #413)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello DaveYou do understand what you are pointing out. I will just add this, because I think you are making my point... When a CEO or president of a corporation speaks about the "Company " doing anything, it is usually in the plural, because a corporation is made up of multiple persons within a single entity. When the corporation is being spoken of in the 3rd person, it is done singularly. Example: CEO Dave Sr. says, "Let us do it." (Plural) President Dave Jr. says "We are doing it." (Plural) Newscast Report Headline, "Dave Inc. is doing it." (Singular) So there are a plurality of people doing "it", but still there is one company doing it also. Regarding God being the engineer only... Job 9:8 NASB 8 Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea; Isaiah 44:24 NASB 24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone, Jeremiah 51:15 NASB 15 It is He who made the earth by His power, Who established the world by His wisdom, And by His understanding He stretched out the heavens. Peace, Bob  (Mar 14, 2014 | post #387)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello SchleptikActually the person of the Holy Spirit within us directly interacts with our soul in the communication. It is not like sending a text, but an actual interactive process of communication. Romans 8:26 NASB 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be utteredI apologize for this. My wife passed away about 6 weeks ago. I still am working through some tough adjustments. Peace, Bob  (Mar 14, 2014 | post #382)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

As we all can see we have Matt's selective WTBTS style editing at its best... Actual quote: "What happen to all that self deprecation stuff that {...you are a stupid Schleptik...} and it was over your head?" Sigh... Proverbs 26:5 NASB 5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #371)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello SchleptikNow you stoop to condescension. What happen to all that self deprecation stuff that you are a stupid Schleptik and it was over your head? The peer pressure got to you hey... That's OK. I understand. But may I just say that if the Trinity is too complicated for you, then I suggest you stay away from defending the WTBTS 1914 doctrine. YIKES!!!! Anyway, I will just wait on Dave and others like him that I truly respect. They at least keep things civil and are honest in their argumentation. Maybe that is why I can agree with them on occasion, be swayed to their thinking on occasion and rethink my positions at times because of the validity of their arguments. Have a good life Schleptik. Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #366)

Jehovah's Witness

Please JW's answer this question about Salvation

Hello TJWandDIVA25Are you born again (regardless of the Jesus you belive in)? If not, then how can you say you are saved to begin with? John 3:3 NASB 3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Peace, Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #570)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello SchleptikSigh... If we are going to discuss the "Trinity " then we need to be able to discuss it freely and unhindered. As it stands now, if I cannot find the whole Trinity doctrine fully spelled out in a nice neat single passage, then it is labelled a false doctrine by you, Boni and Matt, because of the hypocritical STANDARDS you have set up. BUT the WTBTS has MANY DOCTRINES that cannot hold that SAME STANDARD you hold me to, even thought some are VERY CORE WTBTS DOCTRINES! Talk about double standards and utter hypocrisy. If I use words like economy and substance, they are said to supposedly be made up terms and the doctrine is labelled false. BUT the WTBTS invents terms to describe their doctrines, but that is OK. Talk about double standards and utter hypocrisy. Because of these hypocritical restrictions placed on Trinitarians to explain this doctrine, it is futile to even attempt it. SO why waste my time with hypocritical fools with the likes of Boni and Matt (and you maybe????). If you cannot agree to the simple terms I laid out for this discussion, why should I even bother. I do not have discussions with fools. A fool will take you down to their level and beat you with experience. Proverbs 17:12 NASB 12 Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs, Rather than a fool in his folly. Peace, Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #363)

Jehovah's Witness

What is the trinity?

What?!?!? No book, chapter and verse for 1914? Why then do you expect the same from me regarding the Trinity? Matthew 7:5 NASB 5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Sigh... You just cannot fix a fool. Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #11391)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

I believe Boni has just made it perfectly clear that she has no ability to understand or reason. Boni says I divert when point out her hypocricy in post #354. Boni ASKS what is hypocritical in post #356. Boni repeats the same hypocritical attack in post #357. Sigh. You just cannot fix a fool. Proverbs 26:11 NASB 11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Sigh... Peace, Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #358)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello Dave, I am sorry I missed this response earlierI never said that the speaker was not included. The speaker is ALWAYS included in the cohortative mood. I just point out the the singular speaker, when stating a plural has a plural performing the action described. In almost all of the cases of the cohortative mood in Genesis they are all pertaining to "intent" and "command ", so the actual "ACTION" of the verb is performed. And the ACTION in all cases in Genesis are reflected accurately as a single or plural performing the ACTION, regardless of singular or plurality of speakers. That is the whole dilemma of Genesis 1:26 that we are discussing, is it not? In every case of "Let me..." refers to a SINGLE PERSON performing the ACTION. In every case of "Let us..." refers to PLURAL PERSONS performing the ACTION, regardless of the count of the speaker. Then we come to Genesis 1:26 where you want "Let us make..." to be a SINGLE PERSON performing the ACTION of MAKING, but the language says PLURAL, only because of the speaker count? Genesis 19:32 and 31:44 are clearly single speaker count but plural ACTION counts. According to your reasoning, these cases would only have the speaker performing the action, and that clearly is not the case. Again, I apologize for missing your response. Peace, Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #352)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Look Schleptik, things are simple. Either you agree or disagree that hypocritical arguments are wrong. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE that Boni's single passage trinity attack is WRONG? AGREE or DISAGREE - is it pretty SIMPLE! Ground rules MUST BE ESTABLISHED FIRST in order to have a civil discussion! This is a very simple request for a person that says he/she is a very simple minded person. Peace, Bob  (Mar 13, 2014 | post #351)

Jehovah's Witness

A Beginner's guide to Trinity. Part 1

Hello SchleptikI you trying to sneak into an actual Trinity definition without first admitting that Boni's hypocritical argument regarding the single passage proof is wrong? Tsk tsk tsk. We really need to set the ground rules first my friend. It's a simple admission for you to make before we start. Peace, Bob  (Mar 12, 2014 | post #348)