PassingTheTest

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Does The WTS Always Print Accurate Knowledge They Brag About?

Hello another Manchester, UK monikerI think I missed something... Please explain the lie that this supposed two faced liar told. Peace, Bob  (Nov 4, 2009 | post #68)

Jehovah's Witness

Does The WTS Always Print Accurate Knowledge They Brag About?

Hi GarethHere is a perfect example of word redefinition. For most people dealing with reality you see the following relationship: Title / action Prophet / gives prophecies But not to the JWs?!?! The WTBTS call this "collective prophet" a "Jeremiah Class Prophet". I got news for you - Jeremiah was a prophecy uttering MANIAC! He rarely went a chapter WITHOUT stating a prophecy! Please keep things in context my friend. I am surprised you don't have a bad back with all the twisting you are doing. Can you stop with the word games for once?!?! If they are NOT prophets, then why call them prophets? Peace, Bob  (Nov 4, 2009 | post #64)

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Does The WTS Always Print Accurate Knowledge They Brag About?

Hi Rapier WitWith that old comment, I officially request that somebody should put you into the "Witless Protection Plan" immediately to save you from any further embarressment. :) Peace, Bob  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #31)

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The God and Father of Christ Jesus- the TRUE God!

Hi Mad JWLet's see if this really fitsare my substitutions... Please explain "THE POWER OF GOD of Christ"??? Peace, Bob  (Nov 2, 2009 | post #1638)

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Nice Blood Article

Hi Abrother, Nice post, but the goal of any surgery is to do them without the need for blood. The problem is you are only talking about PLANNED surgeries. Most blood tranfusions are need in emergency surgery. Get the blood or die. The WTBTS demands that people choose death. That is where the problem is. Peace, Bob  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #23)

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Tellme asks a good question...

Hi NoahsdayThanks for the clarificationWhat does this have to do with like and dislike of the WTS? You tried to put forth an explanation for your reasoning that Christ was raised in a spirit body. I raised three questions supported by scripture that shows apparent contridictions to your explanation. Instead of answering these questions and clarifying your view, you keep indirectly accusing me of being hostile and norrow minded because of the trinity. Why do you keep avoiding the apparent biblical contraditions I raised and instead "politely " call me a narrow minded bigot towards Jehovah's Witness teachings? Whether you angrily call me names or politely call me names, it is still an ad hominem attack - a logical fallacy that avoids the points raisedSo just to clarify, The WTS teaches a correct Jesus (1st created creature and raised in a spirit body), but you disagree with the 1914 return... Peace, Bob  (Oct 29, 2009 | post #114)

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KH closing down

Wow! Not for the closing but for this one fact... "But Jehovah’s Witnesses remain a comparatively small sect. At Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, the Center for the Study of Global Christianity says the denomination counts 2.4 million members, including children and inactive adherents. Of those, 1.1 million are “publishers,” the most active members who distribute the Watchtower magazine and other material door-to-door and in other ways." 2.4 Million US members but only 1.1 million are "publishers? Can we safely assume that each baptised member is a publisher? If so then we know that there are much fewer than 1.1 million baptised JWs! Can we also safely assume that 30% of the publishers are UNbaptised publishers? Is so, then that means that there are only 770,000 baptised witnesses out of 2.4 million counted!!! Less than a third of all "Jehovah's Witness" are not baptised witnesses? On the face of these numbers, I think somebody is playing pretty loose with the the totals and growth estimates if the WTBTS population! Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong about either point: - All baptised JWs are counted as publishers; - 30% of all publishers are unbaptised publishers... Peace, Bob  (Oct 28, 2009 | post #20)

Jehovah's Witness

Does The WTS Always Print Accurate Knowledge They Brag About?

Hi GarethWell EVERY JW believes this. But now for the big question... Can you give us a list of the things that they got wrong? Peace, Bob  (Oct 28, 2009 | post #24)

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Tellme asks a good question...

Hi NoaksdayI apologize for attributing the site to youWho said anything about the trinity? I am only looking for ethical answers to the scriptural contridictions of your POV which you say is 100% scriptural. If it is as you say and you claim your POV is true, then my questions should be easily answered by you. But if there are no ethical explanations, then either the bible has blatant contridictions, or your POV is not biblicalWho is here to argue? I asked 3 simple direct questions based on your explanations to get further explanations and they all got dogded. Is that conversation on your part or games being play on your part (which in itself can appear argumentativeWe "? Who is we? In the next line you claim not to be a WTS advocate. Something doesn't sound right, can you help clarify thisWith WTS quoted material and nothing in which id disagreed with in WTS teachingsCan you please explain what it is about the WTBTS teachings regarding the person of Jesus that you disagree with... That will help me in direction. If you "believe a lot of what the WTS teaches", it may be better to start with what you do not agree with, than for me to assume what the "a lot" is.  (Oct 28, 2009 | post #110)

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4. Is there really a trinity

Hi Little lambCan you please explain "exercise faith in Jesus". I could not find this phrase in the bible. Also please show me "Call on Jehovah's Name" in the NT. We have a name calling, but none are to Jehovah. (Acts 9:14, Romans 10:13, 1 Corinthians 1:2, and James 5:14) Peace, Bob  (Oct 27, 2009 | post #22)

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Tellme asks a good question...

Exactly. In spite of Christ's direct words, all the physical evidence and all the eyewitness tesimony, some still only cling to a single statement, " it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." yet they completely ignore Pauls introduction to this explain in 1 Corinthians 15:1-6I agree. I worry when somebody needs to produce 4,000 words to explain "Break down this temple and in three days I will raise it up". This is a very simple ans straight forward statement that is not deep nor complicatedThat's funny, when I pointed out John 2:19 to a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses at my door, they never understood this verse, one never even heard it before, so they were confused. Then when they tried to explain the disintigration of Christ's body they were even more confused by John 20:6-7 they both said they never saw that verse... Then when they had to explain the eye witness testimonies they admitted that Christ must have been raised in the flesh. One of the witnesses came back with her husband (an elder) and when we were done, he said I guess it is OK to refer to Christ as Jehovah, becuase Jesus is the EXACT representation of God reasoning that it was OK to refer to three men who represented Jehovah to Abraham that were also addressed as Jehovah. So either we met gullible people (if you can call an elder and his wife - JWs of 22 years, gullible) or one spoke of scriptures in context while the other quibbled over words (like spiritual vs spirit body). But in the end, you still did not address any of my 3 questions. If you do decide to answer my questions, let me add another question. Since you believe that whatever is ransomed cannot be taken back, please explain the following verses: Matthew 20:28 28 Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many. Mark 10:45 45 For even the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many. Peace, Bob  (Oct 27, 2009 | post #108)

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Tellme asks a good question...

Hi Noahsday, Thank you for the responseWhat are you talking about? Is your excuse simply that Christ used bad grammer in John 2:19? That is your explanation? Please... You have to explain thescriptures John 2:19, Acts 4:10 and 1 Peter 3:18 in a way that they all fit ethically and in syntax. You're link did not do that, so I asked you toTeachings of the Lord Jesus Christ? So it is a teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ that he uses bad grammer and doesn't really mean what he says because he used the wrong form of the words! I am sorry, but Christ quoted words are of the utmost importance and must be taken as primary teachings. Paul explanations are to be used in ADDITION to Christ's direct teachings. Start with Christ's direct teaching and expound. Do not take Pauls further explanations to cover up and dismiss Christ's direct teachingsI wholeheartedly agree. Why does the WTBTS do that so many times with regards to the cross, "Truely I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise", Mighty God verses almighty God, ... It sounds like you accuse me of quibbling when in fact it is the WTBTS and their supports that quibbleActually it ends up with a group of 7 million confused people that got caught up in the quibbling. - They cannot be born again in spite of the plain language that one must be born again to live forever; - They are denied Christ and told he is not their personal meadiator; - The NT is 99.5% for the anointed class and the bible does not literally pertain to them personally. So who has the corrupt mindsI did not know you were the authorActaully concept of hell doesn't make anyone more confortable, the "soul sleep" is a comfort teaching. So I do not know exectly what you are trying to say here.  (Oct 27, 2009 | post #107)

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4. Is there really a trinity

Hi TuresianThe Greek word interpreted as "vision" is "HOROMA" as in the following verse: Act 7:31 "When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he approached to look more closely, there came the voice of the Lord:" So is the reality of the vision just as real as Moses' burning bush incident? Please tell me what is futuristic about the vision. We also have 2 other accounts of this episode that do not discribe this event as a dream like futuristic vision. Are the other two gospel writers being dishonest in their report or should we see "HOROMA" in the same light as we see Moses' burning bush. Peace, Bob  (Oct 26, 2009 | post #20)

Jehovah's Witness

Tellme asks a good question...

Hi NoahsdayThank you for the link. But there are some questions that were not addressed. 1) Christ uses the verb 1st person singular form of the verb raise in I will raise it up. You might have a case if this was in the passive voice or even in a plural form, but this is not the case. 2) How does "Christ's body disintingrating " fulfill the prediction of the verses in Acts? Acts 2:26-27 27 'THEREFORE MY HEART WAS GLAD AND MY TONGUE EXULTED; MOREOVER MY FLESH ALSO WILL LIVE IN HOPE; 27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. The WTBTS' explanation takes Acts 2:27 out of context as you can see when verse 26 is included. THE FLESH WILL LIVE IN HOPE - TO NOT ALLOW IT TO DECAY. What hope does disintigrated flesh have? 3) How can the WTBTS tie the term "body of Christ" to this passage? John's explicit explanation is "temple of His body". John never used the term "body of Christ" in his gospel at all. Also remember the WTBTS teaches that the "Body of Christ" was formed at Pentacost some 50 days AFTER the resurrection. Christ is talking about raising his body in three days. If the "Body of Christ" was formed at Pentacost, how did it exist to be destroyed then to be raised up again? Thanks in advance for any information you provide. Peace, Bob  (Oct 25, 2009 | post #104)