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Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

I think you should take a look at this: http://www.thisame ricanlife.org/blog /2011/04/ira-respo nds-to-judge-willi ams-press-release If you read the original letter to Ira Glass, the press release, Glass's response and his law firm's response (all of which you can retrieve from the above web page), you'll have a better feel for what is going on.  (Apr 16, 2011 | post #1057)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

I believe the success rate is determined by graduation rate. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.  (Mar 31, 2011 | post #92)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

Whoa! "These people can always go to trial and PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE?" It doesn't take any training in counseling to understand that the American system of justice is that you are presumed innocent and it is up to the State to prove you guilty. I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head. The transcripts that were read in the broadcast (I assume you are not suggesting that those were fictitious) demonstrate to me Judge Williams' presumption of guilt with regard to the Drug Court participants. Therein lies the harsh treatment and therein lies the problem. I wonder how the vote would go today.....  (Mar 31, 2011 | post #91)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

I can acknowledge when I make a mistake. I confirmed that you are correct about the termination order. And, I apologize for any confusion my statement may have caused - it was not a deliberate misrepresentation. Without the literary allusions, could we get back to the point?  (Mar 31, 2011 | post #998)

Glynn County, GA

judge amanda williams

Let's see - Stu is sexist, but he supported Moses, who is female. Both No Appeal and Local Lawyer seem to think the highest form of debate is to psychoanalyze and debase anyone who criticizes Judge Williams, rather than responding to the substance of the criticisms. You don't have to be in favor of legalization of drugs to think that Judge Williams' Drug Court practices are inappropriate.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #40)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

You are asking for admissions as though I have personal knowledge of things. As a lawyer, you know the difference between admissions of fact and arguments about the law. I absolutely agree with you that no one can constitutionally waive the rights of the residents of his/her home. What I am suggesting is that, on its face, the Drug Court contract agrees to do so. I am hopeful that Glynn County's finest have not engaged in warrantless searches of the homes of Drug Court participants based on Drug Court contracts. Lindsay Dills is in a Probation Detention Center. I have never said she was in prison. The PDC is a lockdown facility, no different from a prison in terms of the treatment of the inmates. In fact, it can be more oppressive than prison, because there is no opportunity for parole, or reduction of sentence based on good behavior. I have heard Judge Williams say that that is why she sends people to PDC - so that they will serve the full sentence and will not have an opportunity for parole. I do not know that Lindsay is in a six month rehab in the PDC. You clearly have personal knowledge that I do not share. You can appeal from anything, just like you can sue anyone. That does not mean that your appeal will be successful, and it does not mean that it will not be rejected. It was Jim Jenkins, a well-respected lawyer, who suggested in the program that there was no appeal. If Lindsay Dills had the opportunity to appeal her indefinite time in solitary confinement in Glynn County jail, please show me where that is so. Will you admit that you have a personal/professio nal relationship with Judge Williams?  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #992)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

I have never said that I believe drugs should be legal. Where the program demonstrated that these young women should not be in the program... Lindsay Dills was arrested for forged checks, not drugs, yet she ended up in Drug Court. How was that? I think you know; I believe you were there. Brandi Byrd was not an addict. Yet she ended up in Drug Court, because she wanted to get out of jail and that was the only way. How was that? I think you know; I believe you were there. The fact is that the Glynn County Drug Court's carrot/stick approach makes it attractive to people who are not long-term addicts. There is literature out there - and because of your long-term experience with Drug Court, I am sure you have seen it - that says that you should not mix hard core addicts with "amateurs ", or you won't get the right treatment results. Brandi Byrd demonstrated why that was true. Ira Glass confirmed that with the head of the national drug court group. I assume you are not disputing that. As you have on other blogs, you accuse me of hyperbole and hating the judge. Neither is an accurate accusation. I truly would like to have an open debate about this. We can do that if we quit calling names and really talk about facts. I welcome you to show me where I'm wrong.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #86)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

So we agree with nos. 1 and 2. Now we're getting somewhere. I agree with you as to number 3, that it should not be possible to waive the 4th amendment rights of anyone who lives with you. However, from what I see of the Drug Court contracts, it appears that that is the effect. If someone is allowed to conduct a warrantless search of your residence, how is it that those who live with you are not also subject to that search? Where my link to Augusta suggests something different is that individuals get evaluated for Drug Court AFTER they have gone through bond proceedings and ask for Drug Court evaluation. You have agreed that that is not the case in Glynn County. I think that makes entry into the program a different proposition. I welcome your thoughts on that. I thought we were doing fine, until you made accusations. Where have I suggested an agenda or any hyperbole? Perhaps you confuse me with someone else. Where have I called the judge names? Again, you must be confusing me with someone else. My first time posting on this blog was yesterday, as Open Debate. That may make me different from many people who are posting.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #989)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

Well, it appears you agree that there are more Drug Court participants in Glynn than in Fulton County even though there have to be more arrests there. Why is that? Here's my view: [BTW, I can't cite to anything published because Judge Williams doesn't publish the Drug Court rules, contracts, etc. She did confirm the following during various appearances in the 2010 judicial campaign. If I am incorrect, please post something that demonstrates that.] 1. In Glynn & Camden County, if you are arrested on a drug offense, your case is assigned to Judge Williams. Therefore you are in jail until the next Drug Court day. You have no opportunity for a bond hearing until you are given the opportunity to enter Drug Court. 2. You are then given the following options: Go the usual route - and you will have to post a $15,000 bond to get out of jail. If you plead guilty, you will have a minimum sentence of 10-12 months in a Probation Detention Center. If you are convicted after trial, you will have a minimum sentence of 20-24 months in a PDC. Enter Drug Court - you are released on your own recognizance. You will enter a 24-month program and, if you complete the program successfully, the charges will be dropped. ----Either way, Judge Williams makes the call. 3. When you enter Drug Court, you sign a number of documents, including waiver of the 4th amendment rights for you and everyone who lives with you; waiver of your right to seek Judge Williams' recusal, and other significant rights. Based on these truths, it is my view that people do not enter Drug Court for any of the right reasons. I believe that the minimum bond and the minimum mandatory sentences coerce participants. That is why the program is so big and that is why it doesn't work like it should. I appreciate your efforts for people to produce documents. Often, however, they are not there. I invite you to compare the Glynn County Drug Court site http://www.glynnco unty.org/index.asp x?NID=518 (which doesn't tell you anything about what I've just written) with Augusta's http://www.augusta ga.gov/DocumentVie w.aspx?DID=2386 which tells you much more.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #75)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

Since you do agree that Fulton County does not have as many drug court participants as Glynn County and that more drug [and other] crimes are committed in Fulton County, let's start there. Here are the differences [as I have been told by Judge Williams herself] in the two systems: 1. In our counties, all drug cases are automatically assigned to Judge Williams. Once you are arrested on a drug charge, your case is assigned to her, and you are in jail until the next Drug Court day, Wednesday. There is no opportunity for any bond hearing until Drug Court day. 2. While in jail, you are presented with the option of going into Drug Court or proceeding on a regular course. If you do not go into Drug Court, you have a $15,000 bond on a first offense. You are also told that if you plead guilty, your minimum sentence is 10-12 months in a PDC (Probation Detention Center). If you are found guilty after trial, your minimum sentence is 20-24 months in a Probation Detention Center. If you do go into Drug Court, you will be released on your own recognizance and, after you complete the two-year program, the charges will be dismissed. 3. If you enter Drug Court, you sign a number of documents, including ones which waive the 4th Amendment rights of everyone living with you and your right to move to recuse Judge Williams. I believe that people are coerced into going into Drug Court. I don't think Judge Williams should preside over drug cases regardless of whether they enter Drug Court or not. This carrot/stick approach does not really allow for free exercise of individuals' right to choose. For a better Drug Court program, look at http://www.augusta ga.gov/DocumentVie w.aspx... . There's a link for you, No Appeal. What the radio program demonstrates is that there are people in Drug Court who do not belong there. I think both of the young women who were interviewed demonstrated that. That, I believe, is why we have more Drug Court participants than Fulton County. And we have more Drug Court participants because Judge Williams wants more people in "her" program.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #74)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

Since you do agree that Fulton County does not have as many drug court participants as Glynn County and that more drug [and other] crimes are committed in Fulton County, let's start there. Here are the differences [as I have been told by Judge Williams herself] in the two systems: 1. In our counties, all drug cases are automatically assigned to Judge Williams. Once you are arrested on a drug charge, your case is assigned to her, and you are in jail until the next Drug Court day, Wednesday. There is no opportunity for any bond hearing until Drug Court day. 2. While in jail, you are presented with the option of going into Drug Court or proceeding on a regular course. If you do not go into Drug Court, you have a $15,000 bond on a first offense. You are also told that if you plead guilty, your minimum sentence is 10-12 months in a PDC (Probation Detention Center). If you are found guilty after trial, your minimum sentence is 20-24 months in a Probation Detention Center. If you do go into Drug Court, you will be released on your own recognizance and, after you complete the two-year program, the charges will be dismissed. 3. If you enter Drug Court, you sign a number of documents, including ones which waive the 4th Amendment rights of everyone living with you and your right to move to recuse Judge Williams. I believe that people are coerced into going into Drug Court. I don't think Judge Williams should preside over drug cases regardless of whether they enter Drug Court or not. This carrot/stick approach does not really allow for free exercise of individuals' right to choose. For a better Drug Court program, look at http://www.augusta ga.gov/DocumentVie w.aspx?DID=81. There's a link for you, No Appeal. What the radio program demonstrates is that there are people in Drug Court who do not belong there. I think both of the young women who were interviewed demonstrated that. That, I believe, is why we have more Drug Court participants than Fulton County. And we have more Drug Court participants because Judge Williams wants more people in "her" program.  (Mar 30, 2011 | post #979)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

I actually appreciate what No Appeal is doing... which is providing information that makes it possible for a true debate. I'm all for that. Some of the other posters go back to what has been the case here for a long time - suggesting that any of the judge's challengers - including her opponent in the last election - don't "bother to look at any actual facts". There are facts to be examined ... but the local media isn't doing it. Nor are many of the judge's defenders on these blogs. Facts are that we have a Drug Court with more participants than in Fulton County and some real issues in terms of their entry into the program and what happens while they're there. I have sat in Drug Court and heard the judge's diatribes. I have heard her melt down in other court proceedings, and I have heard her verbally abuse parties and lawyers. I have also seen her at her best - charming and intelligent. As many have said, you never know what judge you're going to get. I think justice should be blind, and even-handed, and compassionate when appropriate. I think it must apply the rule of law. I haven't often seen that in Judge Williams' court, especially since she has become Chief Judge. I think the last campaign tried to bring this out. I think Ira Glass is bringing this out. And, I think there are a lot of folks in the Circuit who understand that that is the case.  (Mar 29, 2011 | post #964)

Kingsland, GA

I think Judge Amanda Williams is a criminal what do you t...

I actually appreciate what No Appeal is doing... which is providing information that makes it possible for a true debate. I'm all for that. Reality Check goes back to what has been the case here for a long time - suggesting that any of the judge's challengers - including her opponent in the last election - don't "bother to look at any actual facts". There are facts to be examined ... but the local media isn't doing it. Nor are many of the judge's defenders on these blogs. Facts are that we have a Drug Court with more participants than in Fulton County and some real issues in terms of their entry into the program and what happens while they're there. I have sat in Drug Court and heard the judge's diatribes. I have heard her melt down in other court proceedings, and I have heard her verbally abuse parties and lawyers. I have also seen her at her best - charming and intelligent. As many have said, you never know what judge you're going to get. I think justice should be blind, and even-handed, and compassionate when appropriate. I think it must apply the rule of law. I haven't often seen that in Judge Williams' court, especially since she has become Chief Judge. I think the last campaign tried to bring this out. I think Ira Glass is bringing this out. And, I think there are a lot of folks in the Circuit who understand that that is the case.  (Mar 29, 2011 | post #70)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

I think you need a lesson in appellate procedure. What law school did you graduate from?  (Mar 29, 2011 | post #954)

Kingsland, GA

what do yall think about the judge Amanda WIlliams?

Sadly, Richard is right. There are some really good people in this part of the world who are trying to do the right thing and change all of this. When they try, however, they run into the wall you're seeing on this blog: "It can't be true." And then they are criticized - or crucified - for speaking out. Ira Glass is the latest.  (Mar 29, 2011 | post #951)