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Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

So, the so-called FDS did such a terrible job of providing spiritual food that you are utterly incapable of even identifying who they were? Pathetic. This hapless Watchtower Defender looks more foolish with each postSo, let's get this straight. According to this Watchtower Defender, from 33 A.D. until today, there has ALWAYS been an earthly organization that one MUST join in order to worship god acceptably. HOWEVER, this hapless Watchtower Defender is utterly incapable of identifying WHO or WHAT that organization was. Rather, he/she just keeps repeating "FDS, FDS" at every turn. But is this Watchtowe Defender able to identify a group that called itself the FDS between 150 and 1850? Of course not. This "un-TruthSpea ker" is a typical all-hat, no-cattle Watchtower Defender and is unable to produce a shred of evidence to back up his/her claim that there has always been an earthly organization that one must join in order to worship God acceptably.  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #85)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

Translation: I am completely and utterly incapable of identifying any organized group of true Christians between 150 A.D. and 1850 A.D., so I'll keep repeating myself and hope that Olin doesn't call me on itNon-responsive. I asked for you to actually IDENTIFY the organization that one must join. Are you going to keep giving mealy-mouthed non-answers or are you going to admit that you are utterly incapable of identifying any organization between 150 and 1850 that one must join in order to worship god acceptablySo, your contention that one MUST join an earthly organization in order to serve god acceptably is contingent upon your assertion that NOW is the "time of the harvest" - right? In other words, BEFORE the "time of the harvest," one did NOT need to join a particular organization in order to worship god acceptably - correct?  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #82)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

Ha! No you didn't. You just made excuses. As I asked in my first post,[1] what earthly organization did a "true Christian" need to join during those years in order to please God? Are you going to keep ducking, dodging, deflecting, and making excuses? Or are you going to provide a straight answer? Reference: [1] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T NUD2NBDAHUEPRFHV/p ost24  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #73)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

So, this Watchtower Defender claims that organization is a "scriptural requirement." Please, then, identify who that earthly organization was between 150 A.D. and 1850 A.D. Or, do you contend that for over 1700 years (about 85% of the time that Christianity has been a religion) there was no earthly true Christian organization?  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #69)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

This is helpful. According to this Watchtower Defender, if he/she is unable to answer a question, that question is "irrelevant. " Good to know. However, the facts are simple. No Watchtower Defender on this forum has been able to answer my simple questions: So, what was the one true earthly organization in 800 A.D.? 1200 A.D.? 1600 A.D.? 1850 A.D.? What organization did a "true Christian" need to join during those years in order to please God? Why can't they answer? If an earthly organization is so critical for true worship, certainly they can identify who that earthly organization was...right? Or...could it be that maybe...just maybe...an earthly organization is NOT critical for true worship?  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #68)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

Let's see what sort of excuses this Watchtower Defender can dream up. First, I asked "un-TruthSpea ker" the followingun-TruthS peaker" responded as followsTranslation : I am incapable of answering either of Olin's two simple questions. Rather, I will simply make excuses, and trot out my religious leaders' laughably absurd "1914" doctrine.  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #59)

Jehovah's Witness

Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

So, what was the one true earthly organization in 800 A.D.? 1200 A.D.? 1600 A.D.? 1850 A.D.? What organization did a "true Christian" need to join during those years in order to please God?  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #24)

Jehovah's Witness

The Faithful and Discreet Slave Scripturally Vindicated

So if we are not in Jesus's "presence, " then there's not necessarily a FDS - is that what you're saying?  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #15)

Jehovah's Witness

What Convinces You JW's are not God's people?

Well, if you want to talk scripture, let's talk scripture. Jesus said that the "wheat" would be mixed in with the "weeds" until the "time of the end." Thus, if it's not the "time of the end" yet, then there is not one single true Christian organization. Of course, the Society teaches that the "end times" began in 1914, based on some convoluted numerology and the false premise that Daniel's "seven times" prophecy has two fulfillments. Also, the Society's track record of end-times prophesying has been abysmal (and that's putting it kindly). Accordingly, the Society's argument that the "time of the end" began in 1914 sits on an incredibly shaky foundation. As a result, it is highly unlikely that we are living in the "time of the end." Thus, the "wheat" are still mixed in among the "weeds" and there is no single true Christian organization. (Disclaimer: the above was written based on the premise that the Bible is what it claims to be - namely, the infallible word of an almighty god; this post should not be taken as an endorsement of that position)  (Jul 25, 2012 | post #12)

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Watchtower's "evolution" regarding sexual abuse

Well, that was a nice non-responsive answer. Perhaps one of this forum's other Watchtower Defenders has something to add. I noticed that Watchtower Defender "thirdwitness " made a post today that seems to support a position that Watchtower's policy regarding reporting child abuse has not changed. [1] With that backdrop, I wonder what's this "evolution " that Watchtower's lawyer was touting to the jury... Reference: [1] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T FH29DVP4CA7H6D5M/p ost38  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #17)

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Conti Case Reminds Me of Boer Case

Look at the hapless Watchtower defender duck, dodge, and deflect. He's doing anything he can do to avoid taking responsiblity for his consistent, repeated statements that have been proven flatly wrong. Rather than candidly admit that he was wrong, "Chandler " tries once again to change the subject to his opinion on the qualifications (or lack thereof) of his man-crush Bill Bowen. But conspicuously absent in "Chandler's " drivel is anything resembling a straight answer to Marvin's question. The facts are simple. "Chandler " made the following unequivocal statement in this thread: [1However, when Marvin pressed him to answer whether or not he stood by this assertion [2], "Chandler " has just flailed around trying to change the subject, slinging invectives, in other words doing anything possible to try to change the subject. References: [1] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T C1LENIRKBH0T0SDL/p ost96 [2] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T C1LENIRKBH0T0SDL/p ost237  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #249)

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The cause of the shooting

I'm going to break from tradition and actually agree with "Chandler, " who is actually making some sense on this thread. See also [1]. Reference: [1] http://memegenerat or.net/instance/23 786915  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #66)

Jehovah's Witness

Conti Case Reminds Me of Boer Case

As shown above [1], the hapless Watchtower Defender cowering behind the pseudonym "FH Chandler" is incapable of answering this simple yes/no question and resorts to his typical Watchtower Defender tactic of ducking, dodging, and deflecting. He's been trying this over and over again on this thread, desperately hoping that it will distract from his lies and deceptions that I've plainly illustrated. (see, e.g., [2]) Anyway, it's telling that he is completely incapable of providing a straight answer to your simple question. It makes one wonder what he's so afraid of... References: [1] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T C1LENIRKBH0T0SDL/p ost241 [2] http://www.topix.c om/forum/religion/ jehovahs-witness/T C1LENIRKBH0T0SDL/p ost235  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #242)

Jehovah's Witness

Watchtower's "evolution" regarding sexual abuse

Really? You appear to have devoted a significant number of posts on this forum to debates related to the Society's sexual abuse policy and the attendant lawsuits that have arisen. So, what do you think? Do you agree with Watchtower's attorney who told the jury that the Society's policies have evolved? If so, how have they evolved?  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #11)

Jehovah's Witness

Watchtower's "evolution" regarding sexual abuse

FH Chandler" posits an intriguing idea. It will be interesting to see if/how the Society's policy "evolves. " Perhaps "Chandler " (or one of this forum's other Watchtower Defenders) can also enlighten us on how Watchtower's policy has "evolved " over the years.  (Jul 24, 2012 | post #9)

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