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Floyd Landis

Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals

Thank you for the encouragement. I am a little heavier than you but not as old so you are right...no excuses. I am going to get on my Mt. Bike tomorrow...too heavy for the road bike.  (Aug 9, 2010 | post #26)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

I agree wholeheartedly. However, a large percentage of the folks here would rather just have the young man placed directly into the electric chair without a fair trial or consideration of any of the facts. Everyone seems to think he threw the rock directly at the window. From what someone else reported, the police report stated that there was an altercation between him and several other young men. He threw the paving rock at one of the other young men (perhaps in self defense) and the person he threw it at stepped out of the way and the rock crashed through the window hitting the young girl in the head. Instead of doing the prudent thing and taking her to the hospital, the people she was with waited several hours and by then, it was apparently too late. I don't know if any of this is true because I wasn't there and I haven't read the official police report. But I do know there is more to the story (because there always is) then meets the eye. Anyway you slice it, it was a tragic accident.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #114)

Floyd Landis

Landis to ride in New York race this weekend

Crazy is as crazy does;-) I guess you've never cheated at anything. It must be great to be you.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #25)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

You make me laugh. You are really very funny. If only there was a doughnut shop in my town. You write so eloquently and maturely for such a distinguished, double-degree whatever it is you do. From you address, I can only gather you are in Germany...thousands of miles away from where the incident happened. Still not sure how yo can classify me as morally unprincipled, though. I am starting to think one of your degrees is in reading a OUIJA Board. If you have a position with the DOJ and it involves staying cool under pressure, I would recommend looking for a new gig. Also, be sure to take your blood pressure medication because you don't want your head to pop off as your blood boils. And, fat is a relative term...I am fat compared to by racing weight of 155 with 6% body fat but I am certainly not fat by most standards. Your attempt to hurt my feelings not only illustrates your level of immaturity, but also how easily angered you are. Doesn't sound like a good mix for any job with any responsibility whatsoever. But I am just a fat dolt, with a passion for donuts and eating dirt...what could I possibly know?  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #104)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

Thank you but not a good idea to side with me. As rational as my arguments are, they are very unpopular on this post. What is hardly mentioned is the people she was with failing to take her to the hospital. Had she gone to the hospital she may not have died. Instead, we'd rather point the finger at the young man that threw the rock in the first place even though, we don't have any idea, and may never know, what really happened.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #101)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

Be careful not to get sucked in. My first post was almost identical to this one and I have been vilified since. It seems as though people cannot look at things in a sensible way. The bottom line is the incident was tragic for all involved. Regardless of what happens, both families will never be the same. It is likely depending on where the trial is held, the young man will not get a fair and impartial jury. Topix and sites like it are more a lesson in sociology then they are anything else. Without the fear of being face-to-face, people lose their inhibitions. This forum, like it or not, is a reflection of what everyone is thinking. I pity the young man, not because of what he has done or how he might feel, but because he will never get a fair trial around here. The comments here prove it. Thanks for the sensible post. I wish everyone was equally as sensible.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #100)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

Here is the thing...you are clearly letting your emotions cloud your ability to understand. I am not defending anyone. I don't know either of the parties involved and frankly, aside from the tragic loss of human life, I really have no opinion one way or the other. If you read my post carefully instead of scanning them, you will see that is the case. You have one ultra conservative guy ripping everyone who disagrees. One fanatically violent guy who is going to bring Armageddon to everyone in my zip code and then there is you, using your law degree (you do have one don't you) to pass judgment. I have no problem looking at myself in the mirror and being honest but, apparently that isn't the case with everyone. You all think you're so perfect and qualified to pass judgment without knowing all the facts. You obviously don't care what our bill of rights says or how we're treated under the law. According to your posts, someone says the guy is guilty and that's all the proof you need. The fact of the matter is, you don't know if he threw the rock or not because you weren't there. In fact, you don't know for sure that this incident even occurred. But, you are ready to jump on the lynch-mob bandwagon and make sure that justice is served. Your emotions and hot-head's condescending "I've been saving for retirement since I was 15" comments have clouded your ability to look at this thing objectively. If I was this guy's lawyer, I would use your comments and many of the others here to change venue which, weakens the case against this guy should he deserve to be punished. You don't see that you are part of the problem not the solution and you are too busy defending yourself and your actions to even consider you might not be entirely right. I have never taken a stance one way or the other. I have no reason to. Like you suggest the young man should have, I simply want everyone to consider the consequences of their actions. The young man has a right to a fair trial whether he is an idiot or not. If it were up to you, you'd just drag him to the center of town and have him hung. You don't know me and I don't know you. Or, perhaps we do know each other and are great friends. With anonymity of the Internet you never really know who you are talking to. I find it hilarious that because my profile name is OldFatCyclist that you actually think I am fat. And even if I am, if I am able to refer to myself as fat do you think you're going to hurt my feelings saying it too. You talk of so many irrational things because you can't think clearly because you are mad. And, ultimately, this is the point I am really trying to make. If you are getting this angry at me for a few words, what makes you think you wouldn't have picked up a rock and thrown at a window just like the young man did especially if you'd been drinking. Reading your rants, there is no doubt in my mind you are not as violent as he is. The only difference is, you haven't killed anyone...yet. Call me stupid and call me what you will, but you know that this could have easily been an accident just as much as it could have been a senseless act of violence.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #98)

Floyd Landis

Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals

I guess I let the conspiracy theorist in me get a little out of hand;-) I wanted anyone but Contador to win...I was a young punk with a huge ego at one time in my life, too. I just never won the TdF so maybe I am a little jealous. And now that I am old and fat, I wanted Lance to win for the older folks. Had he won, I might have been motivated to start cycling again;-) I still may, I just need a much heavier bike to support all the extra weight I'll be carrying around. The weight to power ration theory will definitely be working against me.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #19)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

Obvious that you don't know what reprobate means. And if you do, how you could gather I am unprincipled from my posts is beyond me (I actually had to look the word up? You sound like a crotchity old man that watches a bunch of Fox News. Probably a retired E-6 or E-7 pissed off at the world because your retirement isn't providing you with the lifestyle you imagined. And, I would gladly ride my bike off a cliff if I thought for a second the world was filled with muttonheads like you. If your reading comprehension was at the same level as your hatred, you would see that I am merely stating that we should all hold our opinions about this incident until all the facts are in. I am certain you would demand the same level of respect for yourself.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #71)

Floyd Landis

Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals

Thanks for the link to your blog post. It was much more detailed than I ever could have been, but certainly illustrates the point I was trying to make. Imagine having all these factors considered and applied when racing. You'd have to have a tremendous amount of resources and a ton of really smart people that could interpret the results. You'd have to be someone like Lance. So not only did Lance out work everyone, but he worked smarter than everyone, too. Add, an equally intelligent administration of performance enhancing technology and you've got a 7-time winner of the Tour de France. BTW-I think Lance lost the TdF on purpose this year. I think the promoters of the race told him there was too much heat for them to hide his PED use. Certainly, finishing 25th or where ever he finished took the microscope off of his performance. I think, if Floyd had not come forward when he did, Lance would have won his 8th TdF. Of course this is all conjecture.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #17)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

So, you were there and you saw the whole thing go down? And, you've never had something you've done go horribly awry. The official definition of accident is: an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; Unless he was intending on killing her with the rock, which doesn't seem or sound (by those who have posted here)likely, then the death of the young lady was unintentional and hence, an accident. I am not suggesting it is right and I am not suggesting he should not be punished. I am suggesting that he is entitled to his constitutional rights (that I and everyone in my family have fought for as members of the armed services). Plus, our legal system states that a person is innocent until proven guilty by a judge or jury of his peers. Without knowing all the facts (one would argue you don't know any of them) you have convicted the young man, passed sentence and are ready for him to spend the rest of his life in jail. Again, I ask, what if the shoe were on the other foot. What if the person being vilified here was your son or you. This lynch-mob mentality is bread from ignorance and based purely on emotion that does not even consider the logical side of the argument. The problem with lynch mobs is, most of the time, they discover the person that was lynched was innocent or, at least, not guilty enough to be lynched. You all frighten me. I hope that if I am ever part of a tragic accident, I am somewhere people have a more logical, pragmatic, sensible and educated perspective. I also hope, that if something equally as tragic happens to you, you are treated exactly the same way you are handling this situation. But then you'll be thinking woe is you and how the world is so unfair which, as we all know, is a double standard. But, I guess those are OK, too?  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #62)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

It kinds sounds like you are being facetious which makes your statement a little on the witty side. In case you aren't, I fear for the world should you or anyone like you make it into a position where you can actually influence public policy. I have an idea. Lets just burn the constitution and all it stands for, do away with our legal system, encourage vigilantism, let everyone carry guns openly, and give each of us the right to be judge, jury and hangman. I think there was a guy in history that took this approach...I think his name was Hitler or something like that. He thought Jewish folks were criminals and, literally, brought Armageddon down on them. Yes, I agree, lets throw out the pursuit of truth and deal with these scumbags hastily. I mean why should we have laws anyhow. Let's just line up all the folks we think are criminals and shoot them in the head. That will certainly solve all our problems. But, what if there is an impasse. I mean, what if you think I am a criminal and I think you are a criminal. What then? Should we face of at 20 paces and the fastest gun is innocent? I am being facetious. Do you see how ridiculous this sounds which is why I thought you were being facetious, too. No one can actually be this ignorant and uncivilized. Or, maybe they can be. I honestly hope I don't meet either of you gentlemen at the grocery store and make the mistake of just beating you to the last six pack in the cooler. I'd hate to think about how you'd decide to punish me for that crime. Hopefully it wouldn't involve torture, just the removal of an appendage. I think I'd learn my lesson if you took a finger or two and left my arm in tact. If anyone is wondering why we have schools and why education is important, the responses of these two gentlemen should answer your question. I am just hoping my opinion doesn't bring Armageddon down on everyone in my zip code. If so, there will be far fewer people in Asheboro tomorrow.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #58)

Asheboro, NC

Lexington Man Charged with Murder of Teenage Girl

Interesting perspective, I will give you that. So if I hear you correctly, you are saying two wrongs (or numerous wrongs) makes a right. You mention what you would do if your daughter was the victim but what would you do if the young man was your son? Would you open up a can of "woop a$$" and bring Armageddon down on him. Or, are you the type that would have the audacity to say, "my son would never do anything like that". And how about you...what if you accidentally killed someone. Let's say some kid toilet papers your yard and is riding away on a bicycle. You pick up a big rock and throw at him, hit him in the head and he dies. This would be a tragic accident. Would you want to be treated the same way you suggest you'd treat others? The point I was trying to make is, if you weren't there (and it sounds as though you weren't)and you didn't see what happened first hand, you don't really have the right to judge. Suppose the someone had put the paving stone on the young lady's hood as a joke and what resulted was an accident from the removal of said stone. Would you still feel the same way?  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #52)

Floyd Landis

Report: Former Armstrong teammate alleges drug use

I think this situation (one that is near and dear to me having spent a large part of my life in the sport) is similar to the children's story The Emperor's New Clothes. If you've never read it, it is worth the time even though it is a child's book. Floyd is the kid in the audience that has come forth and said the Emperor is naked. We all knew the Emperor was naked but we were afraid to step forward and say anything. Although his timing was poor and motives questionable, what Floyd did took a tremendous amount of courage. I, for one, applaud him. I don't think it is going to change anything but I think people will realize that performance enhancing technology is a part of all sports and the more we ask of our athletes the more it is going to be used. You shouldn't hate Floyd. You may disagree, as I do, with the way he went about coming clean, but you can't fault him for watching his reputation get flushed while others that are doing the same thing or worse are being applauded. It's human nature.  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #7)

Floyd Landis

Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals

Finally someone that gets it. Even if it is discovered that Lance was doping (and, as I have said many times before, I believe he was)he will be remembered as the greatest cyclist and one of the greatest philanthropists of our time. I would have more respect for him if he came out and told the truth. It's not like everyone doesn't suspect it anyhow. But, as you have so eloquently pointed out, he has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing (if not more).  (Aug 8, 2010 | post #15)