Send a Message
to NorthPeace

Comments

909

Joined

Sep 6, 2007

NorthPeace Profile

Recent Posts

Jehovah's Witness

Cognitive dissonance

As we know JWs consider themselves vastly superior to other denominations in every respect; however when challenged on open forums like this they get reduced from "We're ALL THAT and a BAG of CHIPS" to "other religions do it too" Unfaithful husband to wife: "All the guys at work cheat on their wives too" Student to teacher: "All the other kids cheat on THEIR exams" Motorist to traffic cop: "Everyone else was speeding too" In the REAL world, no one gets too far by relying on the mistakes of others to justify their OWN... NorthPeace  (May 1, 2010 | post #13)

Jehovah's Witness

to all former jw's, why are you so angry with the wachtower?

That's awesome Nedoba that you're finding such joy in learning what must be a very rich cultural history, considering it goes back thousands of years you'll probably never run out of things to discover...smile.. . Hope you can make it to the annual gathering of Abenaki descendants and let us know if you got that "kid in a candy store" feeling lol...be sure to share with us some of the highlights. Take care, NorthPeace  (Apr 28, 2010 | post #349)

Jehovah's Witness

to all former jw's, why are you so angry with the wachtower?

TPMP is 100% correct...this board could use a few more like you :) Are you a First Nations person? NorthPeace  (Apr 28, 2010 | post #344)

Jehovah's Witness

to all former jw's, why are you so angry with the wachtower?

Actually, abrother, I defended the org for many years after being kicked out - I never had an issue with the whole d'fed thing - friends of mine just couldn't understand how I could still defend the Society in view of the shunning, etc. It wasn't until I got the 'net (late- 90's) I learned about the UN issue, the Bulgarian blood "agreement ", but ESPECIALLY being able to review the doctrinal history of the Society since it's beginnings with just the click of a mouse... the revisionism when old publications get reprinted...in short what's in print displays a level of hypocrisy and dishonesty I had previously thought - even long after I was kicked out - was the domain of "christendom ". I now view the Society as being led by a group of deceitful charlatans who simply don't have the moral authority to kick ANYONE out. NorthPeace  (Apr 25, 2010 | post #109)

Jehovah's Witness

Accurate Knowledge

Your response shows that you are ignorant of anything beyond the generalizations and rhetoric found in Society literature, and reiterated regularly from KH platforms. Go to your search engine, type in "doctrinal changes *******(insert denomination) - try this with several denominations, and you will see that many denominations have undergone doctrinal changes. Do some actual research - don't depend upon the broad-brush generalizations of the WTS and find out what different denominations ACTUALLY teach about various issues such as "hell" or the "trinity " (actually, JWs make up only a small percentage of all non-trinitarians) - you will find that the info you get from WTS lit is sorely lacking. You will also find that most denominations don't make beliefs that go beyond the basic Gospel message of salvation a requirement - that is to say salvation doesn't depend upon belief in their particular denomination's teaching on such areas as hell or the nature of God (trinity vs non-trinity), etc. NorthPeace  (Apr 23, 2010 | post #13)

Jehovah's Witness

What would your policy be on child abuse?

Excellent point! Why does the Society tell the BOE to call authorities ONLY if it's a legal requirement in their jurisdiction? If they have the best interests of children at heart, why not make it MANDATORY to report ALL alleged incidents regardless of whether it's a legal requirement or not? Even better, why not instruct JW parents that the first call they make be to the police, before the elders have the opportunity, inadvertently or otherwise, to jeopardize a proper police investigation by talking to the victim and/or the alleged perp? The WTS could take a HUGE step in the right direction by turning over their database to the authorities. NorthPeace  (Apr 6, 2010 | post #62)

Jehovah's Witness

"God's Word" has no affect on topix 'Witnesses'

Correction - should read "Or would they base their opinion on the CONTENT and PARTICIPANTS??? NorthPeace  (Apr 6, 2010 | post #84)

Jehovah's Witness

"God's Word" has no affect on topix 'Witnesses'

And how can you be sure this forum wasn't started by an ex-JW? Are you SO NAIVE to think JUST BECAUSE it says "Jehovah's Witness Forum" that it wouldn't be considered an "apostate " site by the Society? Would they just simply look at the top of the page and say "YUP, it's OKAY because IT SAYS "Jehovah's Witness Forum" on the header? Or would base their opinion on the CONTENT and PARTICIPANTS??? NorthPeace  (Apr 6, 2010 | post #83)

Jehovah's Witness

What are the implications...

Well Gareth, let's take the "144,000 " teaching as per the WTS. The WTS says that number is to be taken literally. Can you prove that it has to be a literal number? The rest of the prophecy - concerning where the the "144,000 " come from, namely the 12 tribes of Israel - isn't taken literally. Can you show from the Bible why the "number" has to taken literally? This is a teaching that has the potential to be altered - at some point the GB may decide it's only a symbolic number, after all in the same way that saying 1,000 years for humans = 1 day for God is only a symbolism... It wouldn't be the first time that a long-standing belief thought to be absolutely solid wound up turfed. NorthPeace  (Apr 3, 2010 | post #20)

Jehovah's Witness

A Challenge to Pedophilia Cover-Up Polemics

Posts 2-7 add no support to your argument. The WT publications have long patted themselves on the back when it comes to abiding by the law in general...anyone can provide examples of Society lit showing how we should be in subjection to the authorities and obey the laws of the land, etc. Merely saying "We obey the law to report if required" or publicly stating no one is told they can't report it to authorities is only doing what is legally required, it does nothing to bring pedophiles to a court of law if this happens in a jurisdiction where reporting is not a requirement, or if the parent's predisposition to "keep it a congregational matter" - because that's how it has been treated for decades - results in them being reluctant to call the authorities. NorthPeace  (Apr 2, 2010 | post #20)

Jehovah's Witness

A Challenge to Pedophilia Cover-Up Polemics

That is a totally meaningless challenge. WHY ON EARTH would a religious organization be so STUPID as to actually put IN PRINT "Don't go to the police in these kinds of matters because it will bring reproach on "Jehovah's organization" . OF COURSE it won't be found IN PRINT!! The WTS, I'm sure, recognizes the legal implications of actually printing something like that. The WTS main goal is to maintain a "clean image" before the world. It's policies regarding child abuse/molestation and how it is HANDLED are designed to keep it from the public, IF POSSIBLE. And it has worked for the most part...the number of cases reported in the media is a small percentage of the THOUSANDS on the WTS's database... From the New York Times: http://www.nytimes .com/2002/08/11/na tional/11WITN.html ?pagewanted=1 $12,500,000 isn't CHUMP CHANGE - the Society wouldn't have paid out that kind of dough to the victims in an OUT OF COURT settlement if there was NO EVIDENCE to back their claims. Check out this video also: http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=QLAC9 kS_EqM NorthPeace  (Apr 2, 2010 | post #18)

Jehovah's Witness

Hit and Run by local JW

As do most folks. I work at the local recycle facility and I've seen many of these pamphlets...they'r e now on their way to be turned into something more useful perhaps... NorthPeace  (Mar 29, 2010 | post #15)

Jehovah's Witness

The arrogance and the vulnerability

I really agree, wonder. I believe the ave R&F witness to generally be nice, decent people who for the most part are well-meaning, but terribly misled. NorthPeace  (Mar 23, 2010 | post #8)

Jehovah's Witness

The arrogance and the vulnerability

I think you have to realize that JWs are spoon-fed WT "interpretati ons" that are presented to them as "bible truths" revealed to the "slave" by the "Holy Spirit". JWs fail to appreciate that these "interpretati ons" are nothing more than the personal opinions of the members of the GB, and that it is NO BIG TRICK to make their doctrine "follow the Bible" if the ones making the doctrine are the same ones who get to interpret the scriptures they use to support their doctrine - HOW SWEET IS THAT!!! - it ranks with getting to pick the questions for your exam - YOU CAN'T LOSE... NorthPeace  (Mar 23, 2010 | post #5)

Jehovah's Witness

Is there not one JW that is concerned.....

The WTS totally misapplies the concept of "progressive knowledge". Learning something NEW doesn't change what is previously learned IF that prior teaching was in fact "truth". You can take the "generation " doctrine back thru it's different versions, 1995, right back to the early fifties which was the longest running version and all were considered "truth" as "revealed " by the Holy Spirit; in fact to openly disagree with ANY of these "interpretati ons" WHILE they taught as a "Bible truth" would have left one liable for charges of "apostasy ", "causing divisions" or both, either one could result in disfellowshipping. The current version renders the previous one false, as the previous one did to IT'S predecessor, which means every time it got changed the new "knowledge " was false - how is that progressive? I'm sure any long-time JW has heard the analogy used how we start out as "spiritual " babies getting started on the "first truths" and as we mature we gradually become capable of understanding more "deeper truths" thus through time our knowledge increases, much the same way as a child when starting grade school gets started on the simple basics of math for instance commencing with learning how to count to ten and progressing grade by grade until they get to algebra and maybe even calculus. But the important thing is - and this is where the WTS totally screws up the concept of "progressive knowledge" - no matter what level of proficiency that student achieves, the "first truths" 1+1=2 WILL NEVER CHANGE. Christianity would have gotten off to a bad start if Jesus had sent his disciples out with incomplete truths, half baked or totally erroneous teachings requiring constant changes. The message of salvation they took to people was very simple and to this day hasn't required any changes. NorthPeace  (Mar 21, 2010 | post #605)