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Should evolution be taught in high school?

Keep making comments like this while simultaneously denying science.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #49031)

Evolution Debate

Evolution: Religion or Science?

Wonderful. As for the rest of your statement. I accept the facts of science because I've either seen enough of them or performed enough of the experiments to trust the findings. WTF can you show that god has EVER done? Waving your hands about doesn't count. I mean violations of nature.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #143)

Evolution Debate

4000+ Years Worth of "creation science"

Single mutations aren't what evolution is about. Since there are several common mutations of singe genes running around (aka normal variants)it is the different combinations of these variants which produces changes in phenotype. Genes are proteins not organs. There is no "eye" gene for instance. Likewise, the vast majority of shape phenotype genes are expressed either preferentially or ONLY during development. The different timings and sequence of timing related to gene expression is what causes the majority of the visible phenotype variations. This means that without a single protein mutation and only due to changes in expression you have wildly different phenotypes. ID doesn't make predictions. ID is just an argument for a god hidden in an argument from incredulity. It is all fine and dandy when everything is un-explained and perfect. Once the wrench gets thrown in, the designer looks like a fumble fingered klutz. As an aside, please tell Dembski to quit making up crap and attempting to pass it as accepted science.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #482)

Evolution Debate

4000+ Years Worth of "creation science"

Information theory really has no place in evolution or genetics, regardless. There are entirely to many variables. They have tried to use information theory in such fields as ecology (in the 70's) with the expected useless results. For the hell of it, you keep expounding on information as though it were something special. Please provide a biological definition of information.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #481)

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Do you believe in Evolutuion or the Bible?

Thank you for your well thought out, provocative, and beautifully articulated commentary. You can now honestly state that you have added to the wonder of the human intellect.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #14671)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

Only an idiot would attack Fossilbob. Then again, your arguments have no merit so it's not surprising that you turn would turn to ad hominem bullshit.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #48980)

Evolution Debate

DNA Error Checking Proves Evolution is Wrong

Ok. I'll attempt a translation. 1. There are transitional fossils. 2. Very few forgeries have been attempted and they have been exposed by science itself. 3. I sleep just fine at night; secure in the facts underpinning the paradigm.  (Dec 18, 2010 | post #24)

Evolution Debate

4000+ Years Worth of "creation science"

How about I take 6 of them. They all "mean" the same thing so it's irrelevant. That seems really intelligently designed. It would crash any computer if you had 6 separate names for the same thing. Not to mention the wobble hypothesis of the 3 base pair which dictates that it's really only the first 3 base pairs that count. But you just go ahead and keep claiming that it makes sense. The base pairs are joined at their phosphate backbone. It isn't as though they flop around. Physicochemically any order would do.....if all you wanted was a polymer. The sequence is maintained through replication. FYI the chemical bonds of the phosphate backbone are just as natural as the bonds in water. Your comparison of languages and codes (in themselves not comparable) are not comparable with DNA. Languages change with culture, codes change for predetermined requirements, DNA changes through environmental selection of phenotype which itself is dictated by variations in gene expression. You are confusing the number of bonds with designed complexity. The biochemical ID arguments would only have merit in a world with no biochemical defect. Perhaps you would like to explain the 140+ silent mutations per generations? Or the prevalence of Trisomy 21? Or cystic fibrosis? Sickle cell? ADPKD? ARPCKD? Edwards syndrome? Cri du Chat? Huntington's? Schizophrenia? Patau syndrome? Familial Mediterranean Hemorrhagic fever? Cruetzfeld Jakob? Congenital Ichthyosis? or 1000's upon 1000's of other design flaws? Our own bodily asymmetries? I mean.....1/3 of us will get cancer. That's a 33% failure of engineering just in the cell division department. I can keep going on this one if you like. I'll just go to any medical website then paste the proof of how your "engineer " makes human engineers look like gods.  (Dec 14, 2010 | post #445)

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Do you believe in Evolutuion or the Bible?

Incorrect. No one is stating that fossils caused evolution. We are stating that they are evidence of prior forms which fit sequentially in the appropriate time frames culminating in modern phenotypes. No one is claiming the fossil evidence is conclusive. It is just very indicative of evolution. Fossil evidence is then corroborated by other independent scientific realms.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #14524)

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Do you believe in Evolutuion or the Bible?

You assume that there is preferentially nothing vs. the fact that there is something. I fail to see the logic in asserting that this is all improbable and then add "without an extra-dimensional being of infinite power and knowledge which no one can detect."  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #14523)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

The law of biogenesis refers to flies and mice. It has no bearing on the initial origins of life. Regardless, the bible claims that man was made from mud. Therefore, the law of biogenesis refutes the bible except by magic.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #47774)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

Oh goodie. Quotes.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #47773)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

YOU refuse to accept facts.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #47772)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

Finally you admit that evolution can explain things. Now you have to prove YOUR claim of the invisible dimension hopping magician.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #47771)

Evolution Debate

Should evolution be taught in high school?

Actually the STURP studies found that the pigments were iron oxide. AKA rust. Any attempts to claim it was blood can also be explained with tempera. The shroud isn't appear until the 1200-1300 time frame which matches the carbon dating. It's weave pattern is different that that present in the 1st century AD.  (Dec 9, 2010 | post #47770)

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