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Oakland Raiders: Michael Vick or Tim Tebow?

I'll bet the get Manziel actially  (Mar 6, 2014 | post #8)

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Cowboys need to be careful with DeMarcus Ware

I can maybe understand not cutting Ware, but couldn't disagree with you more about Miles Austin. He has below average production consistently and is hurt more often then not. Like the Cowboys always do, they severely overpaid him after he had one productive year. I am sure that Austin will be be cut. He's a below average receiver They would also be better off parting ways with Ware if he doesn't take a pay cut. They are paying him $12 million this year and he had 6 sacks last year. I wouldn't have said this before this past year, but if he's going to put up the same numbers as last year he is hardly worth half of what he is being paid.  (Mar 4, 2014 | post #3)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

I'm about done as most of what I can say would be repetitive, and it doesn't seem like you are listening to what I am saying. So it's almost pointless to argue. I'll just summarize and be done. 1) Wayne and Harrison were not projected to be great beforehand, that's just wrong. Harrison more so than Wayne..but neither were top of the line receivers. You could just as easily say that "Manning made the receivers" than vice versa, as Manning was also projected to be great. It's hard to ignore the fact that they were with Manning their entire careers. 2) There is no basis that the Oline was better except the (52%) less asks you keep bringing up. And maybe that they spent more money on the Oline, which doesn't always correlate. Fact is, the Colts Oline was almost always ranked in the bottom 10. All throughout the decade, and those are the facts. It is a very viable supposition to say Mannig made the Oline better. 3) I said to an extent I don't credit wins to QBs. And that's for all QBs. I'm not a Peyton Manning homer, I'm just thinking objectively. But for the same reason I don't Bradshaw is one of the best ever, I don't credit SB wins as much to QBs. 4) I'm not advocating Manning over Brady. Not sure how many times I have to say that. 5) I'm not sure why you keep assuming people "aren't football people" just because they disagree with you. I played college football and am not oblivious to how football works. Maybe we should just agree to disagree.  (Feb 21, 2014 | post #339)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

Sure, I'm fine with that statement. But there is a definite list. You can tell if one QB is better than the other, so there must be a group of names that are at the top of the list. I would agree that to name a definite greatest of all time you would have to put each QB in the exact same scenario. So there is more of a group of top QBs rather than an absolute ranking  (Feb 20, 2014 | post #333)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

3) I know its really just an analogy, but basketball is different than football regarding players and championships. An individual in NBA can have a much bigger impact on a franchise than an individual can on an NFL franchise. So in basketball, yea I would take Bill Russell or MJ over Wilt the Stilt. 4) I don't credit QBs for SB wins (or regular season wins) as much as most people do. SB wins is a massive team effort. Example: Terry Bradshaw won a Superbowl 30% of the season he was in the league....with the Steel curtain to back him up. Do I think Bradshaw is better than Manning or Brady? No. Eli Manning has a SB win 20% of his season, I don't think he is better than Peyton Manning. So I don't hold SB wins and regular season team wins in as high of esteem as most people do. (This is to an extent, as great QBs will make their teams considerably better). 5) To Peyton Manning's credit, he has never had a great defense (outside of his first year with the Broncos and maybe the 2008 season the Colts D was a little above average). I said this earlier, but in Manning's SB winning year, the Colts D let up the most rushing yards ever in the Superbowl era and was ranked 23rd (give or take a place, I don't remember the exact ranking). This year the Broncos D was ranked 19th overall. All throughout the 2000s Manning played with sub-par defenses. (Also the Colts special teams was ALWAYS in the bottom 3 as far as differential between points allowed and points scored. I'm not sure about the Pats Special teams though) On the flip side, all of Brady's SB winning years he has had top 8 defenses. I am not bashing Brady, I am just showing how winning SBs is a team effort. I could also say that Brady has always had consistency at the HC and GM position, and Manning has not. I know that is a common argument but its true. So the Patriots won those SBs because of a team effort, just like every SB win is a team effort. So I don't hold SB wins in as high esteem as most people do regarding QBS. 6) I agree that the total career stats are irrelevant to the argument "Manning is as good or better than Brady" until both of their careers are over. So I'll give some per game stats and other random stats. (Keep in mind my earlier points...a) he made his players better b) winning games is a team effort) Manning TDs/ game - 2.046 (highest of all-time over 100 games) Brady " "- 1.86 Manning Yards per game - 270.6 (3rd) Brady " "-254.65 (7th) Manning Completion % - 65.5 (4th) Brady " " - 63.4 (11th) Manning Passer Rtg- 97.2 (2nd) Brady " " - 95.7 (6th) Manning QBR- 80.67 Brady " "- 71.5 Manning Turnover/Game- 1.096 Brady " "-1.026 Now just some of Manning's records Most seasons above 4000 yards- 13 (closest is Drew Brees with 8) Most seasons for a QB to lead team to playoffs - 13 Most consecutive regular season wins - 23 2nd most 4th Quarter comebacks in a season - 7 9 consecutive seasons of 10+wins I honestly don't even want to list them all. To summarize it: 1) Manning made his receivers HOF players as he threw to them their entire careers. As a result, those two HOF receivers he made opened up lanes for TE and slot receivers. 2) Regular season and SB wins are a team effort. TO AN EXTENT, I don't credit SB wins to QBs. Manning has not had a great team around him and has never really had consistency like Brady has. I'm not advocating Manning over Brady, only that there should be a conversation.  (Feb 20, 2014 | post #331)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

1) I understand qualifying losses. Like "team X would have won if only one play were different." Or "team X would have won is this one player did differently." While those statements are usually true, things like that happen all the time to every team. Sure, the Pats would have had 2 more SB rings if not for two incredible throws and catches by Eli Manning and his receivers. But you could say things like that for almost every team in the NFL. If the Broncos safety judges the ball correctly two years ago, the Broncos may have gone to another SB. If Reggie Wayne makes the correct read on the option route in the 2009 SB (the Manning INT), the Colts would probably have one more SB. While those statements have merit, I usually don't qualify losses like that anymore because I realized how often you can actually say things like that. 2) I have answered the "more with less" supposition in many of my other posts, so I will leave you to read them. Short answer: it is because of Manning that Harrison and Wayne are in the HOF, as they have been with Manning almost their entire careers; it is also because of Manning that the Oline doesn't give up many sacks. I don't think Manning has had more around him than Brady throughout his career. Again, it definitely seems that way because Manning creates his weapons and makes players around him better (read my previous posts and I go into more depth). You say the media even says that Brady does more with less. Why are you using the media as a credible source now but completely disregarding the media on their standpoint regarding Manning? I understand the Colts may have spent more money on offense than the Pats, but that doesn't mean that there were considerably better players around Manning. (This season there is no question that Brady had less around him than Manning. While I still think Manning makes all of those pass catchers and Olinemen better than they are, Brady had hardly any help this year as far as pass catchers go. So this season the "more with less" was absolutely true, but that doesn't mean it has always been true.) I'll finish the response in another post. Again, keep in mind I am not advocating the Manning is better than Brady.  (Feb 20, 2014 | post #330)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

I am the same person as "No Name") No need to resort to personal insults, just have a normal conversation. I have said in my other posts that I am not advocating that Manning is better than Brady. I am just voicing why there should even be an argument. I can make logical connections. I'm not a fool. In the original text, what I thought was implied was that Manning said "stats over winning." That is why I responded the way I did. Of course, after it was articulated upon, I saw that that was not intended to be conveyed. One needs to articulate what they mean more strenuously in forums more than they otherwise would in person, as there is no way to pick up on non-verbal signs that would inevitably be conveyed. I couldn't tell from what was written that what was meant to be conveyed (that I know now). I can and do think independently from the media and other sources. The objective conclusion I have come to is that Manning is one of the all-time greats. And my opinion stand separate from what I hear in the media.  (Feb 19, 2014 | post #327)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

Again, don't resort to personal insults. I can make logical connections just fine. Just have a normal conversation and be respectful. What I thought was implied in the original response was that Manning said "stats over winning." I understand now that it was elaborated on that that was not the intended to be conveyed. That's why I responded in the way I did. Just articulate what you mean better on forums like this, as there is of course no way to pickup on any nonverbal signs that would otherwise be evident. Also, if you read my posts, I have said that I am not advocating that "Manning is better than Brady." I am just voicing why I think that the topic has validity and why Manning deserves to be considered one of the greatest. I can and do think independently from the media and other sources. I already acknowledged the Manning is blown up in the media. However, thinking objectively I still come tot the conclusion that Manning is one of the greatest of all time. My opinion stands alone from the medias ideals  (Feb 19, 2014 | post #326)

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2013 NFL MVP Race: Why Tom Brady Should Win

I simply responded to the words on the screen. What I saw implied Manning said "he would rather have better stats than win." I haven't changed one of my arguments. I responded to separate arguments, but never changed my standpoint. "The one who first resorts to personal insults in a debate is the one who realizes there is no sufficient rebuttal" -CS Lewis. (That may not be the exact words, I can't remember verbatim, haha) Don't insult someone's intelligence, just give a rebuttal to their argument if you wanna to show your point. If you can show me where I changed facts in order to fit my arguments then I will concede.  (Feb 19, 2014 | post #323)

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As atheist TV characters increase, here are 5 of the best

That's true. Sherlock Holmes is one of my favorite TV characters ever! Haha. What's your point though?  (Feb 19, 2014 | post #2)

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Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

PREFACE: Don't read into my answer. I am not in this answer insinuating which one is correct and which one isn't by any means. Mormons are not Christians in the strict sense of the word. If one can step aside and look at it objectively they can see the differences. (Again, I am not by any means saying which one is more correct) M sacred texts: Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants C sacred text: Bible M regarding the Trinity: rejected C re the Trinity: affirmed M Holy Spirit: Separate being from God C Holy Spirit: One and the same M original sin: denied C original sin: affirmed M: works emphasized (necessary) C: faith emphasized (works secondary) M: there is a second chance after death C: no chance M: there are many gods (while not many would come out and say this directly, it is implied in their belief about spirit children of God) C: one God with three different parts I understand why the Mormon church wants to be considered Christians, because the term Christians is in most minds associated with truth to some extent. But Mormons are not Christians in the same way a dog is not a cat. Regardless of how emotionally invested one is in either side, the truth doesn't change that the two are not the same in major ways. END NOTE: LDS is much more similar to Christianity than most religions, but that doesn't that the two are one in the same  (Feb 19, 2014 | post #32707)