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Education a no no

By the way how old are you Tommy Rotten? I guess about 14.....max 16?  (Jan 25, 2015 | post #6)

Jehovah's Witness

Education a no no

Tommy Rot, you really need to get yourself an education! That way you will be able to put together a plausible argument so that what you write actually shows you have “sifted evidence, seeing many aspects without any dogmatic conclusion”. And so that you can “tell the difference between opinion and facts”. Here is why: 1. Educated people equals better jobs, equals better money, equals better contributions! Therefore your argument against education is not plausible. 2. They want your time to make money? How does that work in practice? Have you even analyzed what kind of work makes them money? And from what if everything they produce can be purchased for free? 3. “Education by its nature involves questioning things.” Questioning by itself won’t get you anywhere however unless you are able to draw INTELIGENT conclusions! Apostate thinking is close minded and very trusting. Have you actually sat down and questioned things apostates spoon feed you? Hand on your heart, have you ever done that? 4. Before saying maybe “JWs have a lower IQ” why don’t you actually “sift the evidence before making such a dogmatic conclusion?” In fact, next time you think of writing such drivel, why don’t you sit down and actually really think about it? Because everything you have stated about the witnesses you can hold up to yourself like a mirror! P.S. What kind of an argument is this?? “Educated people are not likely to spend years struggling to achieve a degree and end up cleaning windows”. Look at it properly and see what nonsense you have stated there.  (Jan 25, 2015 | post #3)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Holy spirit can only work with what's already in the brain. It doesn't magically put thoughts there that were never there in the first place. The scriptures say that God will give ones strength beyond what is normal. I any case, the GB do not claim to be inspired. You say " the society wants the respect due a true prophet of God, but the leeway allowed for a plain old everyday man". This is pretty much what the Bible says too. The scriptures say that we should show respect and obey those taking the lead, and it also reminds us that those very same people make mistakes and are imperfect.....  (Jan 19, 2015 | post #337)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

You are not understanding what appointment by holy spirit means. Like Harryturq says, its not magic. Elders are appointed using the formula found in 1 Tim 3: 1-7. There are no tongues of fire that identify and sit on top of a good candidate. One can only go by what is visible to humans. The holy spirit does not always protect people either. If that was the case then all loyal Christians would have been protected by it during the ages and none would have suffered persecution, stoning, eating by lions, burning at the stake, torture in Nazi camps, abuse etc. What the holy spirit does is help people endure loyal to God, even to death. Elders that have been appointed can go bad. We all know that. Just like some Kings appointed by God turned bad. And congregations have to keep being cleaned and refined. The scriptures talk about that frequently. This is Satan's world and no one is completely immune. Although man cannot see everything God can, and he will be the final judge, not some haters on topix forum.  (Jan 19, 2015 | post #328)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

If those things about Greenlees are true, that he was a homosexual pedophile when he was appointed as member of GB in 1971 then obviously the holy spirit was not behind his appointment. That does not automatically mean it was not behind the appointment of the others. Judas was appointed by Jesus and failed. But that did not automatically mean that the rest of the Apostles were disqualified. I am sure the rest of the GB believed the appointment of Greenlees was by holy spirit too. So they were not deceiving the rest of the JW community.  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #321)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

If those things about Greenlees are true, that he was a homosexual pedophile when he was appointed as member of GB in 1971 then obviously the holy spirit was not behind his appointment. That does not automatically mean it was not behind the appointment of the others. Judas was appointed by Jesus and failed. But that did not automatically mean that the rest of the Apostles were disqualified. I am sure the rest of the GB believed the appointment of Greenlees was by holy spirit. So they were not deceiving the rest of the JW community.  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #311)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

You know what, just an observation. I never called you damned apostates. I said that "in the eyes of the apostates the GB are damned if they do and damned if they don't". I have noticed this a lot. about you guys, the twisting of what someone has said. This tells me a lot.  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #309)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Why do you think they failed to report molestion of their child -- a crime -- to the police"? Perhaps because it wasn't true? I also find it strange that if the boy was molested, that he would even want to go serving in Behtel. I find it hard to believe that he would forget or that he would keep his mouth shut. Does anyone know what became of him? He would be in his 40's. now  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #308)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

You heard the announcement that they were dismissed from Bethel. I doubt the reason was announced. So whatever is said afterwards is speculation and hearsay. It is ok. I am realistic and I realize there is always some truth in a rumor. I also realize that the GB are just like any one of us.  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #307)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

I didn't say her lifestyle had anything to do with what Kendrick did. I was not defending or excusing Kendrick. Stop putting words into my mouth. Apparently he did not go into her bedroom. She was apparently on the sofa in the living room. Again, I am not saying this to make light of what Kendrick did, but if you are going to talk about a case you should have all the facts. I mean I did read all of the over 2500 pages of court transcripts of the 7 day trial......  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #306)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Oh and and another thing. If any of that was true, then don't you think a massive lawsuit would have been filed by now?? Ok, I know Greenlees is dead, but wouldn't this be a great opportunity to sue the GB?  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #297)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

I am sorry, your story is hard to believe because one thing you guys accuse us of is keeping such things top secret. Then how on earth would you have so much info?? Are you in a special position where you are justified to say such things as: "Rather, he has been BOTH a homosexual and a pedophile for a long time". Have you been privy to his private life? Have you been privy to the judicial committee? I doubt it. In that case all that you say is just speculation and piecing together bits and pieces of gossip you have heard. Nevertheless, men who have been appointed by holy spirit can turn bad. A perfect angel turned bad, a perfect couple turned bad, and one who had been appointed by Jesus to be his Apostle turned bad. JWs know this can happen. That is why it is a governing BODY of people and not just one man. But anyway, in the eyes of the apostate they will always be damned if they do and damned if they don't. So I would say you guys would never be a reliable source of information in this regard. P.S. Oh, and you also know that the reason Greenlees was not disfellowshipped was "for fear that it would damage the GB's reputation". Have you ever thought of a career in personal adviser for the government or something since you have such a gift for reading peoples minds. I am sure they would find you very useful.  (Jan 18, 2015 | post #296)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Ummm....it's funny how you guys are kind of a little dumb and need everything spelled out. That was obviously a warning! Yeah, a letter to the congregations: "brothers, beware, there might be a pedophile among you!". Give me a break. If that was the case, then every organization on earth would have to read something like that to it's members. Pedophiles exist in every strata of society and awareness of this problematic has been widely circulated by the Awake and WT for many years and definitely not as you say only from outside influences but also from family members, relatives and friends! If you are actually bothered, you can read them all on here and see for yourself: http://www.jw.org/ en/search/?q=child +molestation  (Jan 17, 2015 | post #287)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Let me put it into context: Kendrick touched his step daughter's breast one time. He told the elders it was an "accident ". However, the elders did not believe him because why would Kendrick feel the need to confess 4 months after the incidence. One elder explained it by saying that if he (the elder) had touched someones breast accidentally he would say "pardon me" and forget about it. Kendrick's conscience was bothering him because it was not accidental. Both the mother and stepdaughter said they forgave Kendrick. The elders had no real reason to believe Kendrick would do anything like that again. And he didn't with his stepdaughter. He never touched his stepdaughter again. The elders acted in good faith, and naively. They did not believe Kendrick was a child molester. Wrongly obviously..... It would be good if you actually read the court transcripts yourself and familiarized yourself with the case properly before passing judgement. You are obviously just a hater. P. S. The stepdaughter was promiscuous. She slept with her two boyfriends. That was recorded in the court transcript. That is just a fact and not meant to say it was ok for Kendrick to touch her.  (Jan 17, 2015 | post #286)

Jehovah's Witness

Candace Conti lawsuit & Luke 8:17

Wrong! Watchtower 1986/1/1 page 13 says this: "Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah’s organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality." This WT was also distributed to the public.  (Jan 17, 2015 | post #284)