Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
I agree non-cas. I got into this thread to debate the leading posters' comments. Neither chose to continue. As long as there is this continued "legal yet banned" situation with smoking, but not all tobacco, we'll have this four-way crossroad of personal space, personal choice, government supervision, and private property. There is so much tax revenue the government can't legislate it away, yet voters want to see things accomplished and cigarettes are an easy "look what I did, please re-elect me". PA alone collects over $1 billion per year related to just cigarette sales. (Friday Aug 1 | post #29)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Again, is this about nicotine or smoke? You can't tell the type of nicotine user by looking at him/her. Does this become an issue of appearance (smoke, smell, and stains) rather than performance? Be careful here. Non-cas, I see your point. However, an individual church has definitive beliefs. It certianly does not look good for Ford employees to purchase a vehicle they don't produce. Healthcare is much more difficult to measure. At what point to stop in deciding how "in perfect health" your medical staff is to be. Do we not hire a cardiologist because he does not exercise every day and is overweight? Should I not go to my dentist because he doesn't floss everyday and needs a chocolate fix after lunch. (Friday Aug 1 | post #21)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Agreed. I was trying to get a good honest volley going with JC. (Friday Aug 1 | post #16)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Is it possible that this similar to the line of thinking that has led to eliminating physical education from schools? I was always surprised by the number of overweight phys. ed. teachers I had. (Friday Aug 1 | post #15)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Indeed. Does this lead to breath analyzers at the time clock? If this is fair, does this mean the nicotine users can sue all the companies like the female wait staff of the Borgata in Atlantic City or Hooters? If different, why? (Friday Aug 1 | post #8)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Alright. Still, this all teeters on a dangerous personal invasion. Is it possible that people will simply no longer choose to be in the medical field rather than give up personal habits (good or bad)? I believe we should be thankful that we have a place to go where people chose to educate themselves on how to help us--regardless of the outcome. Years ago people were not so fortunate. As for tobacco, if I'm reading you right, your real issue about yourself and your need to feel you're helping others by eliminating tobacco smoke. It really isn't about your concern for the health of tobacco users. If it were, your focus would be on all forms of tobacco. Would be you as opposed to tobacco if it were all smokeless? If you are, then do you support prohibition of alcohol, the ban of fast food restaurants (L.A.), the ban of processed meats, the ban of cheese, and countless other things we ingest, inhale or do that can harm ourselves? (Friday Aug 1 | post #6)
Akron Children's Hospital no longer hires smokers
Ok, let's kick this around a little and have an honest, productive exchange. Nicotine is detected in the blood stream a longer period of time than alcohol and other drugs--making it easier to adjust a schedule to hide a alcohol/drug habit. Nicotine very rarely (if at all) impairs abilities like alcohol and other drugs--a condition that certainly calls for action. If it weren't for the smoke, you would rarely be aware of a tobacco user, unlike someone who is intoxicated, overweight, or sleep deprived (another condition that exists in the medical field). Why continue to hire overweight doctors and nurses? Does that not show they make poor decisions as well? Doctors and nurses are usually on call. Are they held to the same alcohol standards as truck drivers? (Friday Aug 1 | post #3)
Ban Smoking Outdoors Because It Sets a Bad Example?
Tom, what's your position on the use of snuff, chew or snus? (Friday Aug 1 | post #10)
Repressive taxes aid terrorist
It's a shame this very serious thread was turned into a joke. Free's facts and figures are spot on. (Tuesday Jul 15 | post #118)
Fire-safe cigs law leaves smokers smoldering
Sandy, are you stating that this tradegy is all the fault of others? The cigarette maker, the alcohol company, the furniture maker, and the landlord should be totally responsible? I'm sorry, but I feel that too often I read this opinion. Why not sue General Motors each time someone dies while driving a Chevy outside of recommended uses and operation procedures? We all have the ability to make choices, to be informed, and use products and services how we choose. Choosing to smoke while tired (or drunk), drink too much, and not keep a fresh battery in the smoke detector is just tempting fate. It truly is a shame that so many others perished due to the ignorance of one. (Monday Jul 14 | post #25)
Fire-safe cigs law leaves smokers smoldering
The tobacco companies are planned to have all cigarettes fire safe in all states by end of 2009. Many lesser selling brands are already fire safe in every state. Still, this mission to save everyone from themselves is disturbing. How come there aren't overdose free medications? If you choose to drink too much, take too much medication, or smoke when dog tired, well..., to quote the late, great George Carlin, "The kid who eats too many marbles doesn't get to have kids of his own." (Friday Jul 11 | post #16)
This article refers to average taxes of 10-15%. Do you really feel this is equal to cigarette taxes?? PA Tax/Ctn = 13.50 NJ Tax/Ctn = 25.75 NY Tax/Ctn = 27.50 plus City Tax of $15.00/ctn = 42.50 MA Tax/Ctn = 25.10 RI Tax/Cat = 24.60 All of these states then charge sales tax on top of this. Considering the cost of carton of cigarettes from the manufacturer is $30 or less (domestic), these tax rates are 50% to 142%!!! And this isn't just cigarettes...other tobacco products (smokeless) are taxed at rates of 30% to 80% too. (Friday Jul 11 | post #326)
Tackle obesity like smoking: researcher
That would be an upgrade. Customers in states choosing to avoid refusing service to "+BMI" customers, thereby adding an excise tax to "love to eat despite what it does to their bodies" can order Version 2, which can add a flat rate (30-65% tax -- like tobacco) or per ounce (.035-.10 per). These taxes are automatically added to the patron's bill and transmitted electronically to your state's tax authority to be allocated to any budget issue they choose. (May 14, 2008 | post #9)
fraud on online buying of cigarettes
It's too bad long-time legal business are being put out of business by confiscatory taxation. High taxation breeds criminal activity. These increases help to prove how naive some are to think that all reported declines are due to quitting. The numbers are down (in part) to non-legal, non-reported purchases. The government reported no alcohol sales during prohibition, but the moonshiners and speak easy's (sp) were strangely busy. (May 14, 2008 | post #5)
Tackle obesity like smoking: researcher
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